[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My cycle in progress (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/1/2005 2:26:04 PM EDT
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I'd prefer to keep this in the fitness forums and not get into a discussion on steroids. I made the choice to use them and I'm happy with my choice. Stats: my sixth cycle 6' 200lbs 750mg test enth a week 100mg fina ED 1mg armidex EOD I'm 3 weeks in on my 14 week cycle. I'm using homebrew fina at 100mg everyday and 750 mg of test enathate a week. I'm up 10lbs and down about 1-2% BF with little to no sides. I'm using the HITT program and having amazing strength gains. 
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You won't get any moral lessons from me here. As long as you don't post about hitting your wife or kids when you cycle. What kind of strength gains are we talking about here? And how much does it cost for a complete cycle? You have no sides? Not even hair loss?
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I have minimal hair loss. No sides. My cycle cost around $450. I'm up 50lbs on bench and 200 on squat. I'm now 4 weeks in. I'm not trying to get huge on this one so I'm keeping my food intake down. I'm loosing bodyfat while keeping all my muscle. Email me for any info [email protected] |
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+ 200 in the squat. very impressive. with the drugs you're taking, i wouldn't limit my calories if i were you. the muscle, and more importantly, the muscle memory you build, will be with you for a lot longer than a few extra pounds. additionally the extra muscle mass will help burn the fat off. how old are you? |
I'm using Armidex during and clomid for post cycle. I"m not worried about my 'boys', they return to normal size a month after anyway. |
| 5 weeks or so in now. Strengh is through the roof, I'm at 220 right now and down in BF about 4%. I've upped my calorie intake. Putting on a little extra fat, but making huge gains. THis will be my 7th cycle. Still no sides, maybe a little bloat, taking all Syrus products and homebrew tren |
I'm under a doc's supervision and have blood work done before, during, and after. I see no long term lealth risk in doing it, either does my sports doc. My liver values aren't even elevated 5 weeks in. |
I'm down about 4% BF. I'm using the HITT program. I train one muscle group a day rather than say chest and tri's or back and bi's. I'm really keepig a clean diet. My goal isn't to gain much more muscle just drop BF. |
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You might want to do a liver detox regimen soon. I have some body builders who I "oversee". Milk Thistle is an excellent liver cleanser. Liver aid is an excellent product. It contains Milk Thistle. www.liverite.com/ Take as directed. |
I take Tylers liver detox. From my experience milk thisle hasn't changed my liver values at all. I have used liverite before and really like the Tylers. |
The armidex is working great on the bloat. My bench is up almost 60lbs now! Looking for three plates for reps in a week or so. Like I said, I'm not really looking to gain over 15lbs. I"m really wanting to burn off fat, but you do that by adding muscle. The homebrew fina is really working great at strength and vascualrity. |
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Look bro I dont mean to get on your ass but.... First of all I have worked with pro bodybuilders, professional trainers (not BS 24 hour fitness idiots)and lots of college athletes. I wont condemn you for the multiple felonies your discussing here but you are very small at 200 lbs and 6' tall 3 weeks in and even now at 220 you NOT BIG. . This is your 7th cycle and thats all you weigh? You could have done that naturally (up to 200)very easily. Doses as low as 200mg a week I have seen get a 6'2" guy to 225 at 6% BF and 500mg a week get 6' guys to 250 lbs around 8% your 220 could have been done on way lower doses. You are on too many boards listening to bodybuilders who are 275+ lbs describing their cycles giving reccomendations. You will grow easily on 1/3 that test level and half the Tren. I am natural and a skinny guy and still as big as you. Test Enanthate has a half life of as little as 5 days and thats usually what it is... 5 days and not 7 like you often hear quoted which other esters like Cypionate will last. Injection site also makes a difference. You have no need of expensive Arimidex which is going to WHACK your HDLs if you used even 250mg every 5 days (and you should be dosing every 5 days on Enan) You gains are ONLY 10 LBS!!!! IN THE FIRST 3 WEEKS!!! Jezzus thats horrible!!! Seriously your not eating enough. You could have done that on the lower dosages I specified EASILY. I am submitting to you that I DO KNOW what I am talking about as guns, hand to hand, and human performance are my #1 areas of knowledge. Please do not take what I am saying lightly nor dismiss me as ignorant. You are abusing the drugs. You dont need them at that dosage at your stage of development. Even if you did and wanted to get to 230 lbs at under 10% BF youd need about 1/3 of what your taking now. I cannot comprehend how small you must have been if this is your 7th cycle and before you started this cycle you were only 190. I would assume you simply take time off, get sick and loose all your gains in the 3 months of reduced test you have after the cycle. Even with your cow pellets your not in danger of liver problems so dont listen to anyone with those concerns. Your liver values will normalise in 10-14 days after you come off and they will never be higher than "moderately elevated". It sounds to me like your not bulking and then dieting but rather trying to do both at once which is a common mistake. Bulk then Cut. Eat accordingly. You have added Winstrol to the mix of Test plus Tren? Its NOT NEEDED. WINSTROL DOES NOT MAKE YOU CUT. It is a bulking drug that imparts no bloat. You have tons of test in your system so your going to have lots of estrogen but you take Arimidex so you eliminate it... so why add another androgen? What is your BF% right now? What is your goal? Youd do well to reduce dosages, bulk for 4 weeks then diet and hit some Clen and T3 hard for two weeks. Save the rest of your gear and reevaluate your situation. You are almost an identical case to my cousin who came to me for advice. I gave it to him and he took 5X what I reccomended to him and he got the results but also ended up abusing his wife, having bad BP problem and developing gyno. You can bench 300 for 10 reps and be 220 at 6% with 250mg Enanthate every 5 days and as little as 75 mg Tren EOD. Others may try to convince you this is not so but I have worked with literally dozens of athletes. No matter how poor your genetics are you can do the same with less. I know this is not what you want to hear but you came looking for advice and got it. If you did not come here for advice I think your silly for admitting to both third and second degree felonies on an open forum with links to your Email and method of payment on your Team membership. Clen 60mcg a day T3 100mcg a day for 2 weeks Tren at 100mg EOD with perhaps 125mg Test every 5 days With that you can loose no BS 7 lbs of body fat (not water) in those 2 weeks minimum. Your adrenal system will be shot, you will feel like shit and you will need about a 6 week taper off the T3 but if you demand fast results thats my reccomendation to lean up quickly. PS: Dont get addicted to the strength... Tren strength fades when your not on. |
Well I'm doing something right and I'm down about 4%BF which is pretty low while on. I"m at about 218 now. My body doesn't respond well to low dose AAS. Believe me I've tried. My first cycle was sus/deca and a low dose for 10 weeks and I ate like a cow and only jumped 13lbs then lost another 4 in water. My goal is to lose BF and gain some solid LBM. I'm already done that with about 4 weeks left. It sounds high to most people, but everyone is different. If I could get results off 500mg of enth a week, believe me I would. I plan on hitting the T-3, clen, and ECA stacks as soon as I get off. My strength is way up. 3 plates a side for 6-8 reps. Got to love the tren. Got veins showing in my arms and I'm can see all my abs. |
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What were your first 6 cycles and how much weight did you gain? I mean even if you only gained 5 pounds per cycle then that should make you 170 when you started which is pretty small. How long did you lift naturally? Guess what. When you stop lifting all the gains you got naturally will stay. All that the drugs got you will slowly fade. Also you say you have lost 4% body fat? were you pretty fat before you started? I mean why lose fat on a cycle? You should take that time to gain max muscle. ETA . I am probably significantly bigger than you and I don't currently and have never used anything. Currently I don;t even take shakes or creatine. Your strength is more than mine on bench but thats only the androgens in your body. You will lose most of it as soon as the water fades. Not to preach but can you post what these 6 previous cycles have helped you achive? |
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I was pretty small to start with. My first two I shoudn't have done. I was uneducated about what I was doing. I have been lifting for about 6 years hard. My genetic potential isn't the best so I got to my genetic max then didi one mild cycle a year with doc supervision. I kept most of my gains. Yes I was getting pretty fat before i started, I'm happy with my amount of muscle mass. I'm trying a non traditional cutting cycle where I limit my calorie intake while taking 'bulking' AAS. It seems to be working better that any cutting cycle I have done. I'm holding strong with about a total loss of 4% BF and abs are poking out. I know I could have done that with my diet and lots of time, but with doc supervision I don't think a mild cycle like this will hurt you in the long run. I've added HCG to my current cycle now. update, Bench is at 330 for reps I'm 225-230lbs and about 13-14BF |
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Ever used HCG? Causes major estrogen spike. Clomid causes depression. Id use Clomid over HCG though. I have seen HCG abuse cause major gynocomastia. Clomid wont do that being an anti estrogen. Have you looked at IGF1 for post cycle? I have zero experience with it and never known anyone who used it forst hand but I hear you can gain 10lbs while reducing bodyfat during your off cycle with no anabolics. |
Looks like you're doing good and are a responsible steroid user. I know a lot of guys who work out super-hard, then go on cycles and basically quit working out while they're on them. Such a waste. |
HCG and clomid is great post cycle. The armidex will take care of your gyno chances. |
Most of my past cycles have been test based. third was test/deca,,,don't like deca, made my nips itch even with anti's E's fourth was test/eq/fina fith sus,prop,fina, the sus prop fina mix seemed to work pretty good. All in all I bet I have gained up from my natural weight of about 170 to a solid 215 that I can keep while off. I hope to stay righ taround 215-220 but really control my diet when I'm off to keep my BF below 14% |
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Do you mean you will try to maintain 215 after this cycle? So you want 15 pounds from this cycle while the prvious 6 cycles you only gained 30? How much did you gain before you ever used drugs? I gained about 30 pounds in 2 years withut drugs. Quit lifting for about 1 year and have been back in it for 6 months and am where I was when I quit already. 195 pounds at 5'9" Just remember you are doing a recreational drug here....I seriously doubt it is allowing you to get anything you couldn't have gotton naturally. PLUS the definition of genetic limit is your body will not support any more muscle than that amount. You can ofcourse increase it temporarily with drugs but when you come off the limit has not changed. So if you are able to maintain 215 without drugs...you could have made it there without them too. |
| True, I could have made it there with out drugs. But I weighed the risk/benefits and to me under a docs supervision is wasn't enough to keep me from cutting a few years off. My body rebounds quickly and haven't noticed any long term sides. My BP is borderline now, but that is about it. HCH should be kicking in anyday. |
I always heard that you should use HCG during he last two weeks of the cycle as all it does is revive the atrophied testes to normal. It will actually delay recovery as the now revived testes will be pumping out all sorts of testosterone and further confuse the HPTA. But you know what they say about opinions..... |
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I would ask that after this cycle you seriously look at what the drugs have given you then reevaluate the cost/benefits. I mean if in 2 months you are 205 or and kinda pudgy then mabye the roller coaster that roids put you on isn;t the best for you. The hardcore dudes don;t do cycles you know.....they never come off...that how they get that big and keep it. Remember you can never stay past your genetic limit if you come off of the drugs. Again I am not preaching......think how much better off you are then the guy who drinks a 6 pack every weekday and a suitcase over the weekend, smokes a pack a day and eats fast food 2 times a day. |
If you're only getting eight reps with 315 on the bench with all you're taking and after seven cycles, what's the point really? |
Eight reps with 315 ain't shabby. |
Yeah, he's right on this one. You definitely would not be where you are without drugs. That's why people juice, to surpass their own genetic limit. ETA: Not hatin' |
I suppose it depends on your perspective, but it seems like a rather modest accomplishment given the financial expenditure and the (real but obviously ignored) risks of the drugs. It's a little easier for me to wrap my mind around someone who is well beyond that point naturally, then chooses to engage in similar practices to hit some big numbers. I don't agree with it, but I understand it better. To me, it's kind of like breaking the speed limit on a half hour trip to get there two minutes earlier. |
He was a little guy. He would probably have never exceeded 225-245 for reps drug free. There is a vast ocean of differenece in the strength of an ecomorph and an endomorph who weightlifts. Thats a third stronger than he would have had naturally and probably over twice the gains he would have made from where he started. My cousin benched 315 in 8th grade with no weight training. I on the other hand maxed out at 85 pounds. |
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Ditto on the ectomorphs are weaklings comment. I was 6'5" 185lbs with a max bench of 240lbsX1. after 10 years of lifting weights (albeit overtraining for most of those years). I'm now 235lbs still 6'5" and bench 335x1 and deadlift 455x5. Diet/Rest/training alone would never have gotten me to where I am today. |
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Okay, that makes sense, but I still don't see the point. How is life improved? Is there money to be made somehow? If a guy runs a 5.0 second 40 yards, then spends lot of money on drugs to get a 4.9 second 40, what has he really done? I suppose it doesn't really matter if I understand the rationale or not  , but it never hurts to ask.
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Why own an AR15? You have not killed anyone and those are dangerous weapons... are you making money from it? How much money have you dumped into your rifle, ammo, etc? Judging from where the guy started I bet he is 10X more muscular and more confident than he was before starting... I bet its worth every penny to him. |