Posted: 8/3/2004 11:10:58 AM EDT
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I lift 5 days/week and do moderate cardio 4 days/week. By moderate cardio, I mean a 15-20 minute workout totaling 300-400 kcals. I'm 6'-0" and weigh 197 lb. While I don't have a gut by any means, I do have perhaps 15 lb of fat I'd like to lose (from all over) just to get more cut. Adding muscle while losing the fat has been my game plan thus far. The gym where I work out has a billboard where the trainers post general health and fitness info. One item of interest states that body fat loss occurs 80% from diet and only 20% from physical activity. I have an OK diet but it's nothing like the Body For Life or Zone eating plans. I don't measure my portions or stay completely away from high-glycemic carbs. I do a good job of avoiding processed sugar, though. Assuming I don't change my eating habbits, would something like Trim Spa or Xenadrine be worthwhile for me? |
Now I am also 6 feet, i weigh 175 and im in my earl 20s, i play a college sport. but heres what i did when the coaches said to me, lose 10 pounds thus getting you faster....i stoped eating 3 times a day, literally, i cut out all meat from sunday to thursday and i still had the reg team lifts. i just only ate once, i ate healthy, not junk, dont drink coke, ever, dont drink coffee ever, dont eat any candy, and since my position is a speed one, i dont eat meat sunday thru thrusday cuz i feel it slows me down, now on the weekend, do your thing, eat as normal, i know this isnt a doc recommended diet, it just worked for me.. also, one week, all i did was drink hot coco....that sucks, but damn, i was 160 before a meet... if you wana hear my wild and crazy diet and lift regieme, im happy to spread my word, but again, its not doc recommended. its just what i found i could deal with. Also, I run 3 miles a day, that prolly does most of the weight loss if truth be known |
Man, that is nuts. I would say it is definitely not Doctor recommended. The guy will be losing muscle like crazy if he cuts out meat 5 days a week. |
| I agree with 338winmag.. while doing the PP diet I was working on 3-4 times a week mostly weight training including 20 mins cardio with each workout. I lost weight even when I didn't work out, so that tells me the PP diet was doing more of the work. The weights and running did I am sure help tighten things up and I could definitely tell I was losing weight by the fit of my clothes. Went from a 42 waist to a 36 in no time flat. |
yep not a doc was consulted but READ I PLAY A SPORT IN COLLEGE, that being i lift 5 days a week and run more then most of the population given my sport. point is if he needed to lose it for a drastic reason, for me it was so i got some playing time, now i start, it was worth it, i would only say do it if you, HAVE TO. its not for everyone. |
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I just weighed myself on our home scale (Tanita 2001: www.scalesgalore.com/Comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2337) and it says I'm 191 lb versus the 197 lb (on the "doctor's scale") at the gym. Which is more accurate, I wonder? 
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| when i test a scale, i take a dumb bell usually the 50 and place it on the scale, generally this is a fairly accurte way of testing the machine, give it a shot and see what it reads, usually when i test a scale they are a 1-3 pounds off. but this is a great quick test with an almost certain amount of weight. you can also use a 25 lb plate. |
Right. It does balance at 0 lb (I had to adjust it the first time) but if the springs are old couldn't it still be off at the higher readings? In other words, it may be dead on a 0 but: 1 lb heavy at 50 2 lb at 100 3 lb at 150 and so on. |
| Now that I am home, I can elaborate a little more on this subject. One thing you can do along with diet is the type of workout that you do. Just doing cardio, or just doing weights will cause some weight to drop off. There are types of workouts that push you into lactic acid buildup that will cause you to drop even more weight faster. I don't really understand the physiology of this, but I do know that it works. One thing I can tell you is they are killers. Let me know if you are interested. I will post one. |
Post away, please. 
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I got this article from T-Nation. It is a killer: WEEK ONE (Day 1 and 2 are to be repeated twice per week) Day 1 A1)* Chin-ups, supinated (palms facing you) Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up (pull yourself up over a period of 3 seconds), 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds (after one set, move directly to the next exercise below) A2) Squat Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A3) Push-up Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A4) Deadlifts Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 120 seconds * The A1-A4 designations mean you do one set of each exercise with no rest in between. After the last exercise, in this case deadlifts, you’ll rest for the prescribed amount of time and then repeat the whole circuit two more times. After that, you’ll probably puke, and then you can move to the "B" exercises. B1) Hanging leg raises Sets: 2 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: Hold 3 seconds at the top Rest Interval: 0 seconds B2) Decline reverse crunch Sets: 2 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds down, one second up Rest Interval: 60 seconds The decline reverse crunch is performed on a slant board or a Swiss ball where you raise your legs up towards your face. Day 2 A1) Push press Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds down, explode up Rest Interval: 0 seconds The push press is a shoulder press that utilizes the entire body. Start by standing, with a shoulder-width grip and the barbell resting on anterior delts. Squat one-fourth of the way down to initiate the momentum. Next, press the bar straight over the head to a soft lockout while exploding up on to the toes. Finish by lowering the weight to your shoulders. A2) Walking lunge with dumbbells Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A walking lunge looks like a regular lunge except instead of stepping back to the starting position, you step forward with the back leg. You’ll end up walking across the floor 20 to 30 feet. A3) Dip Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A4) Bent over barbell row Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 120 seconds B) Twisting crunches on Swiss ball or hanging leg raises with twist Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: Hold 3 seconds at the top Rest Interval: 60 seconds WEEK TWO Same as above. Increase sets to four in the "A" series and three in the "B" series. WEEK THREE Day one and two are again to be repeated twice per week. As an alternate schedule, the lactic acid interval training can be performed on the morning of your off days before your first meal. Day 1 — AM (morning workout) A1) Chin ups, supinated Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A2) Squat Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A3) Push-up Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A4) Deadlifts Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 90 seconds B1) Hanging leg raises Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: Hold 3 seconds at the top Rest Interval: 0 seconds B2) Decline reverse crunch Sets: 3 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds down, one second up Rest Interval: 30 seconds Day 1 — PM Perform six "sets" of rope jumping for 60 seconds each set. Rest 180 seconds between sets. Day 2 — AM A1) Push press Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds down, explode up Rest Interval: 0 seconds A2) Walking dumbbell lunge Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up,1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A3) Dips Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 0 seconds A4) Bent over barbell row Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: 3 seconds up, 1 second down Rest Interval: 90 seconds B) Twisting crunches on Swiss Ball or hanging leg raises with twist Sets: 4 Reps: 10 Rep Speed: Hold 3 seconds at the top Rest Interval: 30 seconds Day 2 - PM Perform six "sets" on the rowing ergometer (or jump rope again) for 60 seconds each set. Rest for 180 seconds between each set. Only do this for 6 weeks. I would play around with it before starting. See what weights you want to use. I tried at 50% RM and had trouble. You might want to go a little lower. If you want to read the entire article. go to www.t-nation.com go to search and enter meltdown training. There are 2 articles, meltdown I and meltdown II. Good luck. |
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This is the number one fat maker. Any complexed sweetener is stored rather than used by the body. The body just doesn't know what to do to process it into energy. So it sticks it in your spare closet. It is very hard to stay away from these sweeteners because they are hiding with new names in all of your processed foods. Stay away from sweetened sugar free/diet foods and drinks. Your mind thinks you are taking in sugar....(hmmm, someone will think I am whack saying that one)... As far as carbs, cholesterol, meat, etc....all should be in moderation. If you eat what your body is asking for, you will not get hungry as frequently. Try 'Eat right for your type' It is a guide for eating based on your blood type... MT |
By processed sugar I meant sucrose. Natural sugars such as fructose, lactose, and dextrose are good for you in moderation. The high glycemic complex carbs, including bleached flower products such as white breads and pasta, are also bad since they are quickly broken down to be used either as energy or, more likely, stored as fat. The "calorie-free" artificial sweeteners such as aspartame, sucralose (Splenda), and sachrin are not metabolized by the body and therefore cannot possibly be stored as fat. They are passed through your system without offering any nutrition, just like insoluble fiber but without the cleaning side effects. |
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I was trying to tell you what worked for me and let you make the decision... I went from 215 to 175 in 3 months. I consumed much of what the fad diets tell you not to eat. I took no drugs or vitamins. I only spent 30 minutes a day exercising. I don't want people to think I said to stay away from sugar...I eat honey and fruits. I only used the book I mentioned as a guide. Most of the information I used to lose weight was from a Naturopathic Physician. I was only trying to help you but I understand you can't help people unless they want to be helped. MT |
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