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8/27/2002 8:27:23 PM EDT
i've been reading up on this stuff,reveiws and such,so far have not met anyone in person that has used it.
the diet reccomended with this stack wwould make anyone gain 20# in 2 weeks,400 grms of protein per day,i have a hard time getting 190 in woth out doing protein shakes,4500 cal per day intake,jeez this stuff is expensive but so is the diet.
i'm 44 and a hard gainer so i've been thinking about getting a little help to get up to 200#.
josam
8/28/2002 5:42:12 AM EDT
[#1]
I have 3 bottles and will give it a try in 4 weeks when my tricep heals completely.

I will report here 4-6 weeks later.

400 gms is a lot of protein!

I will have to kill my own cow to provide that.
8/28/2002 7:40:25 AM EDT
[#2]
how long are you going to cycle it?
will the number of bottles you have complete a 4 week cycle?
will you be taken it with tribex and an anti estrogen support formula?
thanks
josam
8/28/2002 7:55:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Each bottle should last 2 weeks.

Then you are supposed to lay off for 4 weeks (2 if you help recovery with Tribex-500,which I do not think I will take)

I will have to see what happens after the first 2 weeks and my recovery.
If natural testosterone levels remain low I will have to get the Tribex.There should be no need for an anti-estrogenic compound since this is supposed to have NO ESTROGENIC stimulation.However,for some reason they recommend the anti-estrogen/testosterone-support.hummmmm?

Of course if I see a problem "like tits growing in a bull"....me....I will discontinue it and dump it in the sink![:)]
8/28/2002 9:09:22 AM EDT
[#4]
400g of protien, 4500 calories!

Wow, that sounds out there.  But, in the quest for muscle,  I guess anything is worth trying once.  

I'm not familiar with this diet, but I can assure you you won't gain 20 lbs of muscle in 2 weeks.  You'd be extremely lucky to get one pound of muscle in that time period.



-Good luck and let me know the results



8/28/2002 10:04:13 AM EDT
[#5]
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the diet reccomended with this stack wwould make anyone gain 20# in 2 weeks
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The numbers I could pull from the article in T-Mag ("Behind the Scenes by Tim Paterson;pp14-19) is a 10 lb gain in 2 weeks or less, and 20lbs in an 8 week cycle(2 cycles).

During the cycle you are supposed to eat a LOT to have an anabolic diet!

Apparently you pig out during the cycles and lose the extra in the 4 weeks out of the cycle!

400 gms of protein,500+ in carbs and a total of 1000 cals over your daily maintenance* levels.

*Daily maintenance is 100 cals/lb of present weight.....or preferably ideal weight!

[url]http://www.t-mag.com/articles/197mag.html[/url]
8/29/2002 7:46:15 AM EDT
[#6]
ed,
can you please let us know about your eating habits during your cycle.
i am starting to plan a "diet" when i start a cycle.
will you supplement with protein shakes,that is the only way i can see getting 400 gms of protein,given my work schedule,i can't walk around work all day eating chicken breats and rice.
josam
8/29/2002 11:17:40 AM EDT
[#7]
Sure Joseph!

I will definately supplement with protein shakes(3X 400cal =1200),ice cream (5-600cals),and with other sweets I skip most of the time.

I can eat ice cream and cheesecake/pie 3 times a day if I can.

This might be my opportunity.[;)]