Posted: 3/14/2012 5:46:46 AM EDT
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New study out that reveals potential risk from redmeat consumption: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/health-meat-idUSL4E8ED8RR20120314
This isn't a perfect study for a number of reasons. Studies never are perfect, but it is a data point. Many will view this study through the prism of their pre-existing beliefs and look to discredit either the study or low carb eating. Yeah, the participants didn't eat "primal/paleo"; yeah it's self-reported and observational; yeah there were confounding variables. Got it, check. At the least, this should bring home the importance of not obtaining a huge chunk of caloric intake from a single source, be it beef or tofu. Eating a wide variety of foods maximizes nutrient intake and minimizes the risks that might come from a single source. Should be some entertaining discussion... |
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Interesting study...they also point out that processed red meat was even worse. You nailed the problems already so no need to re-hash that but I'd LOVE to see the same type of study in which the participants involved at grass fed beef or also ate fish/fish oil for the Omega-3's, ate veggies and exercised. I would expect a very different outcome personally. The bad thing about this is that people may pass on GOOD meat...of course some people may decide to pass in favor of fish or something and give up hot dogs so that's a good thing. |
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If you're healthy and you know it clap your hands (at the top of a burpee).
Fuck these 'scientists' and their studies, humans are made to eat animals. The less processed all our food is the better, but my inner sociopath just hope most of the idiots in our society will eat themselves to death faster. I'm bitchy this morning, my legs are sore. 
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If you're healthy and you know it clap your hands (at the top of a burpee). Fuck these 'scientists' and their studies, humans are made to eat animals. The less processed all our food is the better, but my inner sociopath just hope most of the idiots in our society will eat themselves to death faster. I'm bitchy this morning, my legs are sore. 
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but I'd LOVE to see the same type of study in which the participants involved at grass fed beef or also ate fish/fish oil for the Omega-3's, ate veggies and exercised. I would expect a very different outcome personally. [div] I see "observational" studies more as cueing (i.e. a search radar) that indicates issues researchers might want to examine. Interventional studies are more like fire control - when you really want to focus on a certain issue, |
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but I'd LOVE to see the same type of study in which the participants involved at grass fed beef or also ate fish/fish oil for the Omega-3's, ate veggies and exercised. I would expect a very different outcome personally. [div] I see "observational" studies more as cueing (i.e. a search radar) that indicates issues researchers might want to examine. Interventional studies are more like fire control - when you really want to focus on a certain issue, I have been thinking about this study....I would imagine most large consumers of red meat that are not fit are also more likely to smoke, drink in excess, be fat, on pills, etc. Just an observation. |
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Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson are all over this:
http://www.robbwolf.com/2012/03/14/red-meat-part-healthy-diet/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz1p8qvFRY2 |
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We are carnivores through evolution. We are made to eat red meat. Anyone know a vegan? I've known a few. Ever wonder why they're always sick??? They're not enjoying a nice NY strip steak medium rare!!!  We're not made to get 50+% of our calories from red meat though. That's where people get carried away and also where these studies come from. |
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I have a study that states people who avoid eating red meat daily have a 100% mortality rate.... ETA: There might be a correlation, but the unreported correlation might be "people who eat red meat are 85% more likely to eat 1lb of butter/week... or not exercise... I'm not even moved by this data. |
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Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson are all over this: http://www.robbwolf.com/2012/03/14/red-meat-part-healthy-diet/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz1p8qvFRY2 Folks, if you see “retrospective cohort” it should not be taken with a grain of salt, it should be taken with several hits of LSD so that you have a valid reason for perpetuating this fantasy.
Robb Wolf FTW. |
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I have a study that states people who avoid eating red meat daily have a 100% mortality rate.... ETA: There might be a correlation, but the unreported correlation might be "people who eat red meat are 85% more likely to eat 1lb of butter/week... or not exercise... I'm not even moved by this data. From the abstract: After multivariate adjustment for major lifestyle and dietary risk factors,
Now, the abstract doesn't discuss how they made the statistical adjustment and I'm sure that methodology is open to criticism, but the data were not ignored. |
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'corrected': BMI, alcohol, 'physical activity' and a few other aspects BUT... for example, "Dairy" consumption is asked... but does that mean fat free milk?... or butter?... both are dairy? Hell, the "consumes <.22servings/day, and .65s/d" Groups had between 10 and ~30% more exercise time/week... how exactly was that 'corrected' for? it's not even mentioned in the actual paper... Bullshit data, jumping to bullshit conclusions, fueled by tricky statisticians, trying to make headlines... Regardless, eating red meat... in multiple servings/day is high calorie, high fat and high cholesterol.... not good in large quantity, and of course there are better options out there, but... what tastes as good? |
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Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson are all over this: http://www.robbwolf.com/2012/03/14/red-meat-part-healthy-diet/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz1p8qvFRY2 Folks, if you see “retrospective cohort” it should not be taken with a grain of salt, it should be taken with several hits of LSD so that you have a valid reason for perpetuating this fantasy.
Robb Wolf FTW. Of course Sisson uses the data from the Nurse's study, a "retrospective cohort" to support his dietary prescriptions... FWIW, I had a grass fed ribeye for dinner the night I posted this and a grocery store top loin last night. Tonight will be salmon. Lunches the last 3 days have been salad&herring, a turkey sandwich on gluten-free bread (w/ avocado & bacon), and today, herring and salad. My takeaway from this is to cut back a bit on processed meats - Trader Joe's sausages have been on the rise as a part of my diet in the past couple months - while maintaining or increasing the variety of protein sources in my diet. Steady as she goes with fish (1-3 days/week for dinner, most days for lunch) and maybe replace some of the red meat with local, pastured chicken at dinner time. The study didn't stop me from ordering a side of grass-fed beef from a central VA farm... |
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Damn near every single dietary "study" has an agenda to push. As far as I'm concerned they're ALL dishonest and I have ZERO respect for the fools who publish this tripe.
If you believe these quacks, half of everything you eat is bad for you. But just wait a couple of years and the claims will reverse when a competing industry gains a foothold. Fuck 'em all. |
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Quoted: becoming a vegetarian is a huge missed steak. I wonder if Peta is funding these "scientific" studies. I would call them propaganda. It isn't PETA, it's the global-warming communists who see consumption of animals as a contributed factor in global warming and see it as a display of wealth. |
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Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson are all over this: http://www.robbwolf.com/2012/03/14/red-meat-part-healthy-diet/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz1p8qvFRY2 Folks, if you see “retrospective cohort” it should not be taken with a grain of salt, it should be taken with several hits of LSD so that you have a valid reason for perpetuating this fantasy.
Robb Wolf FTW. Of course Sisson uses the data from the Nurse's study, a "retrospective cohort" to support his dietary prescriptions... FWIW, I had a grass fed ribeye for dinner the night I posted this and a grocery store top loin last night. Tonight will be salmon. Lunches the last 3 days have been salad&herring, a turkey sandwich on gluten-free bread (w/ avocado & bacon), and today, herring and salad. My takeaway from this is to cut back a bit on processed meats - Trader Joe's sausages have been on the rise as a part of my diet in the past couple months - while maintaining or increasing the variety of protein sources in my diet. Steady as she goes with fish (1-3 days/week for dinner, most days for lunch) and maybe replace some of the red meat with local, pastured chicken at dinner time. The study didn't stop me from ordering a side of grass-fed beef from a central VA farm... I got most of my Paleo/Primal/Whole foods diet from The Whole 30 website. It specifically mentions processed meats like lunch meats and sausage as a no-no so I avoid it anyways. In a pinch, between a sammich of good lunch meat from the deli and a McDonalds Assburger with cheese, I'd definitely go lunch meat, but I try to not make it a staple of my diet. Obviously there is a difference between turkey breast and pimento loaf, but I haven't looked into it enough to do it yet. Probably will soon. This shits getting expensive.
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If you believe these quacks, half of everything you eat is bad for you. But just wait a couple of years and the claims will reverse when a competing industry gains a foothold. Fuck 'em all. Which is why eating a wide variety of foods is likely to be a risk mitigator. YMMV |
