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10/18/2010 1:33:24 PM EDT
This is my un-motivated face. I am week 6 into a bulk (cut out cardio & 3500cal a day) My energy level is in the toilet and I feel just "puffy" . (it does not help that the pic was taken when I just got out of bed)
I am usually 185lbs but rapid bulked to 215lbs. (all cut gone and 30lbs gained in 6 weeks, but strength is going up quickly too) Any tips to get you going. (diet, supps, anything)

10/18/2010 3:41:05 PM EDT
[#1]
I find that when I lift heavy for several weeks without doing much cardio, I start feeling lethargic and unfocused myself. Get out and do some calisthenics in this cool fall air one evening––some pushups, pull-ups, dips...whatever you can manage that is different. Or go for a brisk walk––that will "clean out" the pipes without burning too many calories.

OTOH, 3500 calories seems a tad low for a serious bulker. Are you sure you're getting enough nutrients for your lifting?
10/18/2010 4:29:23 PM EDT
[#2]
Are you trying to do a "clean bulk" with quality food and increased water intake or a quick and dirty, eat everything in sight, damn the abs type bulk?

10/18/2010 5:10:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Are you trying to do a "clean bulk" with quality food and increased water intake or a quick and dirty, eat everything in sight, damn the abs type bulk?



Yeah, I tend to think it's most likely the types of food you are getting your 3,500 calories from.
10/18/2010 5:18:25 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Are you trying to do a "clean bulk" with quality food and increased water intake or a quick and dirty, eat everything in sight, damn the abs type bulk?



Dirty as all outdoors bulk 30lbs in 6 weeks (around 20lbs muscle - 10lbs fat)
Diet
1st meal - 6egg omlet (cheese, ham, onion, green pepper, onion), 2 slices toast, big glass milk ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 900cal  57g protein
2nd meal - pre-workout - Protein shake (40g) in milk and a banana –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– 750cal  42g protein
3rd meal - post-workout - Cytogainer (50g protein) in milk (1000cal)––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1000cal 50g protein
4th meal - (LUNCH) Big ol bowl of Clili (With Beans) and Chips–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– 1200cal 51g protein
5th meal - Whatevers around (pizza, homemade burger, whatever is around) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-1000cal 56g protein (based on pizza huts # for 1/2 pizza what I eat)
6th meal - dinner (meat and potatoes)––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––1140cal 70g protein (9oz pot roast and 1 baked potato)
7th meal - Cytogainer (50g protein) in milk (1000cal)––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-1000cal 50g protein
––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- HOLY CRAP = 6990cal & 376g protein (My estmate was WAY OFF)
So most likely over 3500cal (now that I have typed it out)
Heavy lifts and fewer sets. (5 sets of 8-10 reps max at max weight to complete reps, per large muscle movement, 5 exercises per trip) and less workout days. (M, T, W, OFF, F  , OFF,  S)
Just feel so tired and my cardio has left me quickly. (pic is me cold and after just waking up, I look much diffrent when awake and with out a flash in my face)
10/18/2010 5:35:47 PM EDT
[#5]
It's actually not that terrible, but whenever you go from lean and clean to fat and happy it throws you for a loop.

I'll also add there is almost no chance you put on 20 lbs of muscle in six weeks. That's tough to do even on gear.

Chances are it's lots of water weight, quite a bit of fat and a little muscle.

Clean the diet up, eat quality food, just more of it.
10/18/2010 5:49:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
It's actually not that terrible, but whenever you go from lean and clean to fat and happy it throws you for a loop.

I'll also add there is almost no chance you put on 20 lbs of muscle in six weeks. That's tough to do even on gear.

Chances are it's lots of water weight, quite a bit of fat and a little muscle.

Clean the diet up, eat quality food, just more of it.


There is heavy Gear involved. (done it before but this is a bulk cycle - so a modified stack) There is legal gear out there but I will not openly talk about what cycle I am on. (I am running a long cycle 12 weeks)
In the past I have minimal sides and this time it feels more like me that is tired and lethargic not a side. (Only sides so far are night sweats and acne)
Also to add when I started at 185 I had to dicipline myself to keep there and would walk around at 195-200 if I wasnt on top of things. Now the 6-pac has faded and the strength has gone up (bodyweight skyrocketing)
I know my BF% is going through the roof as well. My goal is to weigh 235 (another 20lbs) and then cut to 205. (to end up with a net 20lb muscle gain cut)
10/19/2010 12:50:22 PM EDT
[#7]
you gained 5 pounds a week eating 3500 cals a day?

maby Im missing something but the math isnt adding up
10/19/2010 2:25:22 PM EDT
[#8]
6990cal & 376g protein (My estmate was WAY OFF)
Now that I have researched everything.
10/19/2010 8:30:35 PM EDT
[#9]
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd feel like shit too if I ate almost 7,000 calories a day.
10/20/2010 5:40:22 AM EDT
[#10]
sombitch thats alota food, I have no experanice on heavy bulking but I would think that would be more than enuf to make "puffy" and tired.

for me, eating much above 3000 cals makes me lazy