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Posted: 6/12/2017 11:23:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: teddy12b]
Like the title says, I have a new 700 Magpul Edition model #84293 coming into the gun shop by the end of this week. I've got a badger 20 MOA base coming in the mail, and with this rifle I'm also going to start using a data book so one of those is inbound as well. The scope I'm going to start off using is my old Vortex Gen 1 PST 6-24 FFP. There's not much information on this rifle out there so it's not like I'm basing this purchase off of reading plenty of internet review of this exact setup. I made the purchase based on the Remington 700 reputation and my hopes that the 5R barrel will shoot better than the SPS Tactical that I had and sold or the Savage 10 BA Stealth that I had and sold.
I plan on feeding the rifle a steady diet of 168gr matchkings. I'm going to start out with factory ammo and maybe start tinkering around with handloads at some point. I went with the 308 because I've been shooting and handloading for a heavy barreled savage 30-06 for going on 10 years and I'm tired of never having a factory ammo option to be able to buy over the counter. I've been on a search for a quality precision 308 and I'm really hoping this rifle works out. I'm going to start with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr, then move onto the same in 175gr. What other ammo out there are people getting good results with in either this rifle or similar 308's? I've been out of the 308 factory ammo game for a long time so I'm trying to see what's good and bad these days. Eventually the can on it will be an AAC SDN-6..... eventually. |
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Originally Posted By teddy12b:
What other ammo out there are people getting good results with in either this rifle or similar 308's? View Quote |
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Fyi, Palmetto state has 168 gold medal match for $16 a box + shipping. Pretty good deal! They keep saying it's a "daily deal" but they've had it at this price for awhile.
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Best newly manufacturer ammo for 308 out of mine 700 is Australian Outback. Fed. Gold Match was alright, but Australian Outback has always given me a tighter group.
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As much as there is against the new 700's from here, I'm curious about these. I like the 5r guns and would love to see a range report. Rifle reviews "look" good but I have yet to hold one or see unbiased reviews. Tagging for later
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Originally Posted By willcarter49gmail:
Fyi, Palmetto state has 168 gold medal match for $16 a box + shipping. Pretty good deal! They keep saying it's a "daily deal" but they've had it at this price for awhile. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Shortbuss:
As much as there is against the new 700's from here, I'm curious about these. I like the 5r guns and would love to see a range report. Rifle reviews "look" good but I have yet to hold one or see unbiased reviews. Tagging for later View Quote |
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I bet it shoots just fine. Maybe try some IMI 168/175's from SG Ammo in addition to what else has been suggested.
Get the tool to take the bolt apart and clean the FP assembly and the inside of the bolt, with the old 700's I've bought, there seems to be lots of crap in there. Not sure how that might come from the factory. Get a guide for the cleaning rod and a chamber plug with the O-ring. |
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I've had my Remington 700 5R in a HR Precision stock for about a year now. There may be some different opinions on this topic, but... I did a break in on my rifle of 1 shot and then clean it with a copper remover... did this 5 times. Then 5 shots and cleaned it. Then 10 shots and cleaned it and I was done. I've got about 200 rounds through it now and the plan is to clean it again at around 400 rounds or when the performance changes.
I have only shot Fusion 180 grain and it works well. 100 yard shots are sub MOA holes touch. 300 yards I can hit at will although the groups are 2-3 inches apart. 600 yards I can hit a 9X9 inch piece of steel but not consistently. This rifle is a lot of fun to shoot and is definitely one of my favorite rifles. Attached File |
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My factory R700 absolutely loved FGMM 168 for inside 300 yards and FGMM 175 for beyond 400. Shot it with my AAC 762-SD can.
I tried just about all the match factory ammo out there and the FGMM was significantly more consistent. Next up was Copper Creek. |
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[#11]
Originally Posted By teddy12b:
Like the title says, I have a new 700 Magpul Edition model #84293 coming into the gun shop by the end of this week. I've got a badger 20 MOA base coming in the mail, and with this rifle I'm also going to start using a data book so one of those is inbound as well. The scope I'm going to start off using is my old Vortex Gen 1 PST 6-24 FFP. There's not much information on this rifle out there so it's not like I'm basing this purchase off of reading plenty of internet review of this exact setup. I made the purchase based on the Remington 700 reputation and my hopes that the 5R barrel will shoot better than the SPS Tactical that I had and sold or the Savage 10 BA Stealth that I had and sold. I plan on feeding the rifle a steady diet of 168gr matchkings. I'm going to start out with factory ammo and maybe start tinkering around with handloads at some point. I went with the 308 because I've been shooting and handloading for a heavy barreled savage 30-06 for going on 10 years and I'm tired of never having a factory ammo option to be able to buy over the counter. I've been on a search for a quality precision 308 and I'm really hoping this rifle works out. I'm going to start with Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr, then move onto the same in 175gr. What other ammo out there are people getting good results with in either this rifle or similar 308's? I've been out of the 308 factory ammo game for a long time so I'm trying to see what's good and bad these days. Eventually the can on it will be an AAC SDN-6..... eventually. View Quote Your rifle should definitely shoot MOA or better with 168's with a 1/10 twist barrel out to 4 or 500 but 175's will shoot better beyond 600 |
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I should have mentioned earlier, but I have a timney coming in to replace the factory trigger. The factory trigger is a good functional trigger, I just want something better that's got a lighter pull weight. Hard to go wrong with a Timney.
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Originally Posted By teddy12b:
I should have mentioned earlier, but I have a timney coming in to replace the factory trigger. The factory trigger is a good functional trigger, I just want something better that's got a lighter pull weight. Hard to go wrong with a Timney. View Quote Nice work! Wait till she's broken in and you put that new trigger in. |
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I'm hoping that once the new trigger comes in I'd like to run some other match ammo in the rifle and probably also some factory Hornady ELD ammo.
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Which Timney?
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Just their old tried and true 1.5# to 4# with a curved trigger. Nothing fancy or too special about it, just a good solid trigger that's been around and tested for some time.
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[#19]
Originally Posted By teddy12b:
I should have mentioned earlier, but I have a timney coming in to replace the factory trigger. The factory trigger is a good functional trigger, I just want something better that's got a lighter pull weight. Hard to go wrong with a Timney. View Quote |
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Nice looking rifle. Great choice on the Timney.
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Couple of things.
First: great shooting. No ribs here. Second: I used to drive by they Leinenkugel plant every day to get to work. You can see it from the freeway. Not sure if they have more than that one, but they have good beer. Third: smack yourself upside the head for not posting pics of the gun. Fourth: My M1A seems to really like Remington's Match 168 grain. I have gotten sub MOA with it and it seems to favor it over FGMM. At least in 168. I've not tried 175's in it of any flavor. But yeah, I would think Black Hills and Hornady would be very good choices. I"m not sure why I don't hear people talk about Remington's Match ammo. Maybe it's a little more expensive??? Fifth: You and I both need to reload. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Couple of things. First: great shooting. No ribs here. Second: I used to drive by they Leinenkugel plant every day to get to work. You can see it from the freeway. Not sure if they have more than that one, but they have good beer. Third: smack yourself upside the head for not posting pics of the gun. Fourth: My M1A seems to really like Remington's Match 168 grain. I have gotten sub MOA with it and it seems to favor it over FGMM. At least in 168. I've not tried 175's in it of any flavor. But yeah, I would think Black Hills and Hornady would be very good choices. I"m not sure why I don't hear people talk about Remington's Match ammo. Maybe it's a little more expensive??? Fifth: You and I both need to reload. View Quote My M1A is a scout, and I've got it setup to run with the M80 FMJ, I haven't tried out the accuracy of it yet or even shooting it at distance yet. I've been reloading for years, and honestly a big part of the appeal of the 308 to me was the ability to buy quality ammo right over the counter. I don't doubt I could cut the groups down and fine tune this machine to shoot even better. The problem for me has just been the time. I used to reload a lot more before my wife and our three kids. Even with a Dillon 550b I don't get around to it anymore, and with seeing Fed GMM 168gr for $15 or $16 shipped online it almost doesn't make much sense to reload anymore for as little as I get out and shoot anymore. |
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Where you getting it for that cheap shipped? I would be interested to see what the prices are for the remington at the same place.
I hear you on all accounts. Being busy does not make for an easy time to reload..... |
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Where you getting it for that cheap shipped? I would be interested to see what the prices are for the remington at the same place.
I hear you on all accounts. Being busy does not make for an easy time to reload..... |
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Yeah, Palmetto State Armory has been selling it for $16 a box lately, and one day they had a $16 shipped sale after however many boxes I can't remember. They've been having it at $16 per box semi consistently here lately and I think that's an amazing bargain. Targetsportsusa.com also tends to have a pretty consistently good deal on the ammo as well, and even though it's not as good of a deal as PSA, it's in stock nearly all the time.
At some point, I'll probably do some reloading for this rifle, but I don't see it happening for a long time. |
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Oh wow. That is a good price. I like how they have XM193 for cheap sometimes with free shipping. The free shipping makes all the difference.
I was on midway and the Remington Match was like over 30 bucks a box. Not shipped. Booooooooo..... And then it shows 168 grain Remington to be limited availability and possibly no longer made. But they do a 175 grain. |
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I've never tried any Remington match ammo. I've never really been impressed with how any of their ammo has shot as far as accuracy goes. I have the opinion that Remington 22lr ammo is about some of the worst ammo you could try and should only be bought when absolutely nothing else is available and you're completely out otherwise. The only good Remington ammo in my opinion is their corelokt for hunting when I'm not expecting the worlds greatest accuracy anyway.
Palmetto has some good deals on ammo, and so do plenty of other places. It's been so long that I've seen fed gmm ammo for under $1 a round that I don't try to overthink it and I just go ahead and buy when I see it there. |
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If that's out of an M1A I'd take that any time I got the chance. What model of M1A was that? I mostly run 150gr FMJ out of my scout, and one of these days I'll run some good stuff through the rifle and see what I can get.
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
It's a loaded model. But I use the crappy gen III mount and still get good, well, decent, groups.... http://i.imgur.com/DoPDs7Z.jpg View Quote I'm not sure what photobucket just decided to do with my photo links, but I may need to do some homework on a new photo hosting site. |
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I went to www.imgur.com. It works well.
I would love to see the pics. M1A's are fun...... |
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Once you burn up those 168s I would never look back.
Try some 155 Lapua Scenars and Varget. BTW, I was at an industry gathering last weekend, playing with some of Savages new semi auto .308s and 6.5 Creeds. Also present was Federal who had some new factory .308 ammo that featured a 185 grain BERGER, loaded to box mag length. That would make a smoking good all around load for a non handloader. I imagine it will be expensive. |
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Originally Posted By Lost_River:
Once you burn up those 168s I would never look back. Try some 155 Lapua Scenars and Varget. BTW, I was at an industry gathering last weekend, playing with some of Savages new semi auto .308s and 6.5 Creeds. Also present was Federal who had some new factory .308 ammo that featured a 185 grain BERGER, loaded to box mag length. That would make a smoking good all around load for a non handloader. I imagine it will be expensive. View Quote I've got a box of the new Fed GMM 185gr at the house, just waiting for the day I've got time to play with it at the range. |
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Looks like good shooting to me!
I'm a fan of woodland. But nobody does that anymore..... If I was any good with painting I'd attempt that. But instead I just paint my guns brown or green. Or with my recce AR: Green on the lower and brown on the upper. With some stuff left black. I guess I need a little bit of lighter brown too, to complete the woodland color scheme. hehehehehe But it looks good. I'd be happy if I was you. Do you find the magpul stock comfy and good cheek weld? It seems kind of high to me...... |
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The magpul hunter came with two other cheek weld pieces, and a couple length of pull adjustments, but I never swapped out any of them and I'm comfortable with it 100% as it came from the factory. My only gripe and this is a minor thing and me just being very nit picky is that the stock body itself is a little on the slick side. It's not glass smooth plastic, but it's also not stippled modded glock kin of grippy either. I find that the rifle gets a little more grippy with a little krylon on it. I have some stick on rubber grip stuff that I could cut to fit just as I'd like it to be, but I'm going to see how I like the grippyness of this with the paint on it and then reassess. This is probably the best documented break in of a rifle I've ever done between pictures and the log book, but I'm always interested to see if the paint would have any effect on accuracy.
I'm old school and like woodland camo too. |
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So do you think it's worth it as a beginners "precision" rifle?
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Originally Posted By gp55445:
Same here...looking for a 700 but unsure of the model. My range goes out to 200m and I don't reload. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The timing of the question "is this a good beginners rifle" is perfect because yesterday I got it out to a 1,000 yard range for the first time. The short answer is Yes, this would be a fine rifle for anyone looking to get into precision shooting, but I have a few other suggestions as well.
If you're limited to a 200 yard range, you can do that with a 22lr and save yourself so much money that it's not even funny. I know it's not as much fun to use a 22lr, and we all like big guns, but if I was asked to choose who's a better shooter between a guy hitting steel plates at 220 yards with a 22lr or a 308, I'd say the guy with the 22lr. I have a savage fv-sr in a boyds tacticool stock with a bushnell 10x on it. It'll shoot 300 yards when the wind is fairly calm. That's just one example, and there are many other 22lr rifles that would work just as well. If I can't talk you into a 22lr, then I'd say start with a 223. Yesterday my buddy was shooting a savage 223 package gun that came with a Nikon 3-9x BDC reticle scope. He was beating up steel plates at 600 yards using wolf gold ammo and that was with a consistent 15 mph wind coming at us for 30 degrees. A good shooting 223 is always going to be a very economical choice for shooting longer range if you're just looking for some enjoyable target shooting. If you'd like to lay a deer on it's side at that distance, then a 223 isn't the right choice, but for target shooting why not save yourself some cash in your wallet and soreness from your shoulder. The other biggest thing you'll have to consider for a beginner precision rifle is caliber. There are a lot of great choices out there and you could easily make the argument that there's options than a 308 for many reasons. One thing you can't really argue though is that a lot of those calibers come and go. Factory rifles chambered in the newer calibers and factory made ammo are both available now, but what about 5 years from now. Most folks in the shooting world have been around long enough to remember several "new" calibers introduced through the years that for one reason or another died off. For me, I went with the 308 because I'll probably use this rifle from a ground blind here in a few weeks, the ammo and parts will always be around for a Remington 308 bolt action and the prices of factory match ammo are back to the "good old days" pricing and likely to keep getting better. There isn't a wrong choice for a beginning precision rifle, but just be aware that it's going to lead down a path of additional guns, scopes, ammo, etc. My buddy who was shooting his savage 223 yesterday got the bug. I can see it in his eyes, he's going to be a long range shooter and his rifle & scope set him back less than $400. |
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