Posted: 5/29/2016 7:49:07 PM EDT
| Anyone have any experience? some nice deals on the .308 package w/ the Vortex Crossfire, which are VERY tempting...I haven't had any experiences with one, nor do I know anyone who has. Thanks in advance... |
| It is a great shooting rifle. I would suggest the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. A guy I shoot with has one and it has excellent accuracy. There is no need to get the 308 when the 6.5 creed is same price. The rifle deserves a better scope than that POS Crossfire. He has a Vortex Viper PST 6-24X50 FFP scope on his. That setup will embarrass some expensive rifle/scope combinations |
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It is a great shooting rifle. I would suggest the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. A guy I shoot with has one and it has excellent accuracy. There is no need to get the 308 when the 6.5 creed is same price. The rifle deserves a better scope than that POS Crossfire. He has a Vortex Viper PST 6-24X50 FFP scope on his. That setup will embarrass some expensive rifle/scope combinations thanks for the insight...I know its a lower end Vortex, but is it just a POS for a Vortex? or a POS for glass in general? |
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nephew has .308 & he likes it for banging around. I think I'm gonna take advantage of weekend deals where is the scope deal? yeah, I was planning on taking advantage also, but on a Savage 10 fcp-sr...until I got the email for this, haha $470 on grabagun, was only $440 last night...haven't had a chance to poke around at any other places today...let me know if you find a better deal!! |
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thanks for the insight...I know its a lower end Vortex, but is it just a POS for a Vortex? or a POS for glass in general? Quoted:
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It is a great shooting rifle. I would suggest the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. A guy I shoot with has one and it has excellent accuracy. There is no need to get the 308 when the 6.5 creed is same price. The rifle deserves a better scope than that POS Crossfire. He has a Vortex Viper PST 6-24X50 FFP scope on his. That setup will embarrass some expensive rifle/scope combinations thanks for the insight...I know its a lower end Vortex, but is it just a POS for a Vortex? or a POS for glass in general? I had one of the Gen1 Crossfires and it did not hold up well, even though it sat on a .22 bolt rifle. Turrets and power ring were sloppy from what I could remember. It was more than a couple years that I had it and my initial impressions were not great. I ended up ditching it for a Primary Arms FFP optic on my rimfire rifle. |
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It is a great shooting rifle. I would suggest the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. A guy I shoot with has one and it has excellent accuracy. There is no need to get the 308 when the 6.5 creed is same price. The rifle deserves a better scope than that POS Crossfire. He has a Vortex Viper PST 6-24X50 FFP scope on his. That setup will embarrass some expensive rifle/scope combinations thanks for the insight...I know its a lower end Vortex, but is it just a POS for a Vortex? or a POS for glass in general? Buy the 6.5 Creedmoor in the Ruger American Predator without the scope. Whittaker Guns has them on sale for $360.00. It is hard to get a decent scope for less than $1,000. You definitely not going to get one for $100. |
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Anyone have any experience? some nice deals on the .308 package w/ the Vortex Crossfire, which are VERY tempting...I haven't had any experiences with one, nor do I know anyone who has. Thanks in advance... What is your intended use for the rifle ? That is a major factor on what rifle/caliber/scope you will be satisfied with. |
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What is your intended use for the rifle ? That is a major factor on what rifle/caliber/scope you will be satisfied with. Quoted:
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Anyone have any experience? some nice deals on the .308 package w/ the Vortex Crossfire, which are VERY tempting...I haven't had any experiences with one, nor do I know anyone who has. Thanks in advance... What is your intended use for the rifle ? That is a major factor on what rifle/caliber/scope you will be satisfied with. here in the wonderful communist nation of NY, intended use is limited...some general range plinking and hunting, biggest animal would be deer and furthest shot would only be around 150yds at MOST, which is why I had figured on the Savage 10 fcp-sr in .308 and was just going to throw a Primary Arms 4-14x44 ffp on it. I wanted to stay away from the 700's because everyone says how great they are, but that you have to make 10 different mods, not to mention lack of QC as of late. Read a few reviews about the Rugers and people seem pretty happy with it, a few saying maybe a trigger swap is in order, what say the owners here? is the trigger gtg or a must change? |
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here in the wonderful communist nation of NY, intended use is limited...some general range plinking and hunting, biggest animal would be deer and furthest shot would only be around 150yds at MOST, which is why I had figured on the Savage 10 fcp-sr in .308 and was just going to throw a Primary Arms 4-14x44 ffp on it. I wanted to stay away from the 700's because everyone says how great they are, but that you have to make 10 different mods, not to mention lack of QC as of late. Read a few reviews about the Rugers and people seem pretty happy with it, a few saying maybe a trigger swap is in order, what say the owners here? is the trigger gtg or a must change? Quoted:
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Anyone have any experience? some nice deals on the .308 package w/ the Vortex Crossfire, which are VERY tempting...I haven't had any experiences with one, nor do I know anyone who has. Thanks in advance... What is your intended use for the rifle ? That is a major factor on what rifle/caliber/scope you will be satisfied with. here in the wonderful communist nation of NY, intended use is limited...some general range plinking and hunting, biggest animal would be deer and furthest shot would only be around 150yds at MOST, which is why I had figured on the Savage 10 fcp-sr in .308 and was just going to throw a Primary Arms 4-14x44 ffp on it. I wanted to stay away from the 700's because everyone says how great they are, but that you have to make 10 different mods, not to mention lack of QC as of late. Read a few reviews about the Rugers and people seem pretty happy with it, a few saying maybe a trigger swap is in order, what say the owners here? is the trigger gtg or a must change? My opinion the American would be a good choice. I think you would be hard pressed to find a better rifle for the money. The trigger may not be up to standards for competition, but is plenty good for the average user. Adjustable and breaks decently clean. 308 trumps 6.5 in every way except at very long range. ( ammo cost, availability, military surplus, energy, more choices in bullet designs and weights with a larger diameter ) It is my understanding the original Crossfires had problems, and the version II is much better. Like the trigger, it may not be up to par for long range precision shooters, but should be plenty good for the average user. If it does break, Vortex's warranty is unbeatable. (lifetime warranty for anything except intentional damage) |
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I think i'm gonna snag one...I've used a low end Nikon Buckmaster at local outdoor range & it is is on target past 4 hundred with my old eyes.
of course they had it mounted on a Tika, I think been wanting to get back into .308 ever since the regretful sale of my ole Springfield. can ADCO at a muzzle device without disturbing accuracy,harmonics...all those specs I ain't smart enough to know? (PS my nephew informed me that rifle was specially set up for long range with hand loads) So what he is saying is the rifle was accurate not me |
| Again, get the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. My cousin has one with the Vortex 6-24X50 PST in FFP. We were shooting today and he got 3 consecutive hits on a gong at 1,000 yards. I am swapping out my 308 barrels for 6.5 Creedmoor wherever I can. Sure 308 has some cheap Ammo available but I prefer shooting the best available, not some junk that won't shoot close groups. I handload and can't make the 308 shoot nearly as good as 6.5 Creedmoor. I guess if you aren't shooting very far 308 is ok but I just don't understand why someone would buy the rifle chambered in an inferior caliber when it costs no more to get the good stuff |
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The RAR Predator is a very good rifle for the price. And there is some nice cartridge choices to be had (.223, .22-250, .204, .243, 6.5 CM and .308). And having the ability to drop the barreled action into a MDT LSS chassis, will enhance the rifle ergonomically. And allow the use of AICS pattern, 10 rd magazines. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a very accurate cartridge at distance. And if you can reload for the cartridge, even more accuracy can be squeezed out of it. With that said, the .308 isn't an inferior cartridge. Has its use/place just like the 6.5 CM does. I have a Rem 700 Tactical .308 (in a MDT LSS), large frame AR .308 and a Ruger PR in .308. All three rifles perform very well for me. But I'm not shooting @ 1,000+ yards either. For glass, if your budget allows, you could step up to a Vortex Diamondback. For a little bit more then the Crossfire II. Under $500, Burris, Vortex, Leupold, Redfield and Primary Arms have good options to choose from. And four out of the five have forever warranties.
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| I have four of them, three predator's and a standard. The standard is a .243, the predators are .223, 6.5 cm, and .308. All four will make inter locking groups when i'm up to it. The diamondback bdc works well with these rifles, be sure to look through one before buying simply to make sure the glass works for you. |
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I have 3 ruger american's 1 is their ranch in 5.56 and 2 predators in 6.5 creedmoor (one's the wifes) all 3 are excellent shooting rifles for the money.. ranch <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg</a> the wife's 6.5 <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg</a> I just got my 6.5 together and haven't had a chance to take pics yet How do you like the short forearm of the LSS? Any cons to the chassis that a person should think about before pulling the trigger. I am contemplating getting one since they aren't planning on making the HS3 for the Ruger American and there aren't any other chassis options I have found. |
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How do you like the short forearm of the LSS? Any cons to the chassis that a person should think about before pulling the trigger. I am contemplating getting one since they aren't planning on making the HS3 for the Ruger American and there aren't any other chassis options I have found. Quoted:
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I have 3 ruger american's 1 is their ranch in 5.56 and 2 predators in 6.5 creedmoor (one's the wifes) all 3 are excellent shooting rifles for the money.. ranch <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg</a> the wife's 6.5 <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg</a> I just got my 6.5 together and haven't had a chance to take pics yet How do you like the short forearm of the LSS? Any cons to the chassis that a person should think about before pulling the trigger. I am contemplating getting one since they aren't planning on making the HS3 for the Ruger American and there aren't any other chassis options I have found. the short forearm doesn't bother ,i usually hold on the front of the magwell like can ar15.mostly shoot off the bipod anyways i really like the chassis overall. I now have 4 of them. probably the only thing that I would change is the ceracote, much rather see them hard anodized like the ar's. I would love to see the H3 for the american myself. I know many wonder how you can put a $400 chassis on a cheap rifle but I see people putting $1000 chassis on $500 remingtons so I don;t really see the difference. pros barrel is definitely free floated with no chance of touching, no more 4 round rotary mag, seeing that the chassis takes aics style mags a huge plus in my book |
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My MVP Patrol in the LSS. A little cramped on the forearm, not bad though. I'd suggest getting the MDT 6.5" pic rail (only rail that run's full length of the forearm). Watch for the blem's on MDT's website. Could save $100 - $200 on a chassis.
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How do you like the short forearm of the LSS? Any cons to the chassis that a person should think about before pulling the trigger. I am contemplating getting one since they aren't planning on making the HS3 for the Ruger American and there aren't any other chassis options I have found. Quoted:
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I have 3 ruger american's 1 is their ranch in 5.56 and 2 predators in 6.5 creedmoor (one's the wifes) all 3 are excellent shooting rifles for the money.. ranch <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160516_151639_zps9wftwqec.jpg</a> the wife's 6.5 <a href="http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/rrpreston/media/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/rrpreston/20160520_092558-1_resized_1_zpsguzygsfi.jpg</a> I just got my 6.5 together and haven't had a chance to take pics yet How do you like the short forearm of the LSS? Any cons to the chassis that a person should think about before pulling the trigger. I am contemplating getting one since they aren't planning on making the HS3 for the Ruger American and there aren't any other chassis options I have found. |
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I am a die hard Ruger fan. Own a LOT of Ruger firearms, Last month I purchased 2 Ruger Americans in .223. One left hand bolt for myself and a right hand bolt for the wife. I put Leupold Vari-X III scopes on both rifles. We couldn't get either one sighed in under a 7" group at 100 yards.
I checked everything: stock mounting screws, base screws, ring screws, tried 3 different types of ammo. I laser bore sighted each rifle with 2 different bore sighters. We'd get 2 shots within an inch and then the 3rd round would throw at least 7" away. Checked the rifles in more detail when I got home and found the stock was touching the barrels on both rifles. I worked the stocks and then went and shot them again and we're down to about 4" groups at 100 yards trying 3 different types of ammo. I still am not sure what to do. At this point I'm gonna throw on a Leupold that I KNOW works to see if the scopes are the issue. But I've used Leupold scopes/optics for over 35 years here in Alaska and NEVER had an issue. So I find it hard to believe that I have one, let alone 2, faulty Leupold scopes at the same time. But I guess it's possible |
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Quoted: I am a die hard Ruger fan. Own a LOT of Ruger firearms, Last month I purchased 2 Ruger Americans in .223. One left hand bolt for myself and a right hand bolt for the wife. I put Leupold Vari-X III scopes on both rifles. We couldn't get either one sighed in under a 7" group at 100 yards. I checked everything: stock mounting screws, base screws, ring screws, tried 3 different types of ammo. I laser bore sighted each rifle with 2 different bore sighters. We'd get 2 shots within an inch and then the 3rd round would throw at least 7" away. Checked the rifles in more detail when I got home and found the stock was touching the barrels on both rifles. I worked the stocks and then went and shot them again and we're down to about 4" groups at 100 yards trying 3 different types of ammo. I still am not sure what to do. At this point I'm gonna throw on a Leupold that I KNOW works to see if the scopes are the issue. But I've used Leupold scopes/optics for over 35 years here in Alaska and NEVER had an issue. So I find it hard to believe that I have one, let alone 2, faulty Leupold scopes at the same time. But I guess it's possible Sounds like this: http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_american_predator.html |
| Thanks Highpower. As I read the article it seemed like he was writing about my personal experience. I'm not sure if I want to take the time, trouble and money to send one let alone two rifles back to Ruger. I guess I will call them and see what they say. Thanks again. |
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I am a die hard Ruger fan. Own a LOT of Ruger firearms, Last month I purchased 2 Ruger Americans in .223. One left hand bolt for myself and a right hand bolt for the wife. I put Leupold Vari-X III scopes on both rifles. We couldn't get either one sighed in under a 7" group at 100 yards. I checked everything: stock mounting screws, base screws, ring screws, tried 3 different types of ammo. I laser bore sighted each rifle with 2 different bore sighters. We'd get 2 shots within an inch and then the 3rd round would throw at least 7" away. Checked the rifles in more detail when I got home and found the stock was touching the barrels on both rifles. I worked the stocks and then went and shot them again and we're down to about 4" groups at 100 yards trying 3 different types of ammo. I still am not sure what to do. At this point I'm gonna throw on a Leupold that I KNOW works to see if the scopes are the issue. But I've used Leupold scopes/optics for over 35 years here in Alaska and NEVER had an issue. So I find it hard to believe that I have one, let alone 2, faulty Leupold scopes at the same time. But I guess it's possible I had a 16.5" Ruger American Ranch that would not group better than 2" with match ammo. Because my 16" AR could do better, I sold the Ruger. |