Posted: 10/27/2014 10:44:53 PM EDT
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I am going to order a Surgeon Rifles Action for my 700.
I thought I read some where that the .473” W/.062” firing pin hole and Remington style extractor Was better due to the smaller firing pin hole.. but is that necessary on a .308 I am looking at the 591 R I only question this because Kay @ SR said they typically use the smaller firing pin hole for 6.5 and 6.8 not 308's so much. Thank you ! |
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i wouldn't sweat the firing pin hole too much, but there are several good choices for actions out there now. if you have to go with the surgeon, make sure you don't get raped on the price. They were sitting on shelves for $900 before sandy hook. their price went up due to lack of supply more than increased demand. they've been back in stock for a while now. I think that price will drop like ARs did. But definitely don't pay more than $1300.
also, i'm curious why they would change firing pin holes between calibers in the same size cartridge. please post if you ever get an explanation for that. |
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what I found so far...
sorry about image quality http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/537/Hr7xJi.jpg |
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The .062 firing pin is a good option. My assumption as to why Surgeon used the .062 on the 6.5 is specifically for the 6.5x284 and 6.5x47 Lapua. A lot of comp shooters use these cartridges and the smaller firing pin hole allows for the cartridges to be pushed a little harder. I have all actions built with a .062 hole and the 700s bushed to .062. The smaller hole eliminates pierced and cratered primers as well as reducing lock time and vibrations. ETA: the above explanation by JP enterprises was posted while I was typing this reply.... |
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Quoted: Now The big question How do i get a Deal on one ? any Idea's? |
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Now The big question How do i get a Deal on one ? any Idea's? I have not seen a new Surgeon Receiver sell below MSRP for about the last 12-18 months. In reality, I have seen a number of them go for more than MSRP! They are starting to come back around in terms of availability, but I still don't expect prices to drop anytime soon. If you want to spend hours patrolling the internet looking for someone who is in a jam and needs fast money you might catch one for $100-$200 off MSRP. Beyond that, good luck! Per above, there are a number of other Receiver options out there (Stiller, Defiance) that are just as good, are readily available, and will cost you the same or less. Your call, Best of Luck! M Richardson |
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what I found so far... sorry about image quality yep, i get why you want small primers, and why some people like small primer pockets (for consistency as well as higher pressure) the part i don't understand is why you'd want larger hole for a 308 in what is otherwise a similar case. |
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what I found so far... sorry about image quality yep, i get why you want small primers, and why some people like small primer pockets (for consistency as well as higher pressure) the part i don't understand is why you'd want larger hole for a 308 in what is otherwise a similar case. I may be wrong, but I believe there are some guys using the smaller firing pin on the .308 cartridge. Lapua makes .308 Palma brass which has the small rifle primer. Again, I may be confused on this, so do not take this as fact. Either way, my Surgeon action came with the standard firing pin and my smith will change it over to accept the smaller firing pin. I trust him completely with my build, and I know many before me have as well... |
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http://www.gretanrifles.com/knowledge/viewEntry.jsf
Explanation for small firing pin holes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what I found so far... sorry about image quality yep, i get why you want small primers, and why some people like small primer pockets (for consistency as well as higher pressure) the part i don't understand is why you'd want larger hole for a 308 in what is otherwise a similar case. I may be wrong, but I believe there are some guys using the smaller firing pin on the .308 cartridge. Lapua makes .308 Palma brass which has the small rifle primer. Again, I may be confused on this, so do not take this as fact. Either way, my Surgeon action came with the standard firing pin and my smith will change it over to accept the smaller firing pin. I trust him completely with my build, and I know many before me have as well...  ETA: (Precision Rifle Builders) not the same as "gunsmith"
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what I found so far... sorry about image quality yep, i get why you want small primers, and why some people like small primer pockets (for consistency as well as higher pressure) the part i don't understand is why you'd want larger hole for a 308 in what is otherwise a similar case. I may be wrong, but I believe there are some guys using the smaller firing pin on the .308 cartridge. Lapua makes .308 Palma brass which has the small rifle primer. Again, I may be confused on this, so do not take this as fact. Either way, my Surgeon action came with the standard firing pin and my smith will change it over to accept the smaller firing pin. I trust him completely with my build, and I know many before me have as well...
ETA: (Precision Rifle Builders) not the same as "gunsmith" Sorry, guess I should have called Jon Beanland a "precision rifle builder" I was just throwing it out there that even people use them with the .308 cartridge. Wasn't saying it was related to the primer size, just that you find these guys using the palma brass as well. I will check him out on youtube when I get a chance. |
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I believe these guys have one of the best deals on the 591 right now, and it shows "in stock." http://www.otmtactical.com/SURGEON-591-RH-SHORT-ACTION-308-BOLT-FACE-_p_172.html On the mark is a great place to shop. very good dude and a fantastic shooter |