Posted: 4/14/2014 1:38:55 PM EDT
| I am strongly considering this shotgun for 3 gun competition for several reasons - price (can have an ffl order one for just a little over $660 with shipping), it seems to be fairly well set up already, a little softer shooting since I have a shoulder that is somewhat sore (although that could be from using a cane after my knee surgery) and because it will be shared with my wife so a little softer for both of us and ease to get. I know some love them and some hate them. What have been your experiences or those you know? I am also considering the Stoeger M3000, but it needs stuff right away and I am no gunsmith. The Remington Versamax seems like it is pretty much ready to go also and I have used Remingtons in the past, but it is double or more of the price. Will it be that much better? I know there are others. The Benellii seems to be cream of the crop, but once again it is very expensive and needs some things and also being an inertia shotgun, would have a little more recoil. I want to buy once, but am getting ready to retire in June and I am a teacher so money is definitely an issue. Also, as I saw someone write somewhere - I am kind of like my beloved 45 acp old, slow and fat. So no matter what I will not be competing with the big boys. |
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I am strongly considering this shotgun for 3 gun competition for several reasons - price (can have an ffl order one for just a little over $660 with shipping), it seems to be fairly well set up already, a little softer shooting since I have a shoulder that is somewhat sore (although that could be from using a cane after my knee surgery) and because it will be shared with my wife so a little softer for both of us and ease to get. I know some love them and some hate them. What have been your experiences or those you know? I am also considering the Stoeger M3000, but it needs stuff right away and I am no gunsmith. The Remington Versamax seems like it is pretty much ready to go also and I have used Remingtons in the past, but it is double or more of the price. Will it be that much better? I know there are others. The Benellii seems to be cream of the crop, but once again it is very expensive and needs some things and also being an inertia shotgun, would have a little more recoil. I want to buy once, but am getting ready to retire in June and I am a teacher so money is definitely an issue. Also, as I saw someone write somewhere - I am kind of like my beloved 45 acp old, slow and fat. So no matter what I will not be competing with the big boys. The M3000 needs less work that the JM Pro to be 3 gun ready. All you need is a tube on the M3000. The JM Pro needs the lifter welded which is a PIA. |
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Not the one that poo'd on one of my friends unfortunate enough to own one at TXMG this weekend. He got it this year or late last year. So your friend got a lemon and you're suddenly an expert on every 930? My SPX runs like a top. Protip, don't buy crap Win loads. Their SuperSpeed, SuperTrap and Universal stuff are the bane of auto shotguns Buy a Wolff spring and break the sharp edges on the mag tube, extension and follower. |
| The 930 is a turd. I've been watching them shit the bed for 5 years. First the SPX. Now the JM. I've even seen Rhythm models take a dump. The 930 is not an acceptable solution for a 3 gun shotgun. Period. I have quite a sample size to pull from at this point. You might get lucky, but odds are, run it long enough and it will bite you like no other autoloader out there. I am thoroughly tired of people spending money on them and then (rightfully) expecting them to work. My first thought every time I see one is to cut it in half with a torch. Right down the middle of the ejection port. |
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My JM Pro 930 has been rock solid and I know plenty of folks who run them, love them and haven't had issues. I Highly recommend it to anyone wanting to break into 3-Gun on a budget.
Jesse you are Pro Staff Shooter for Stoeger, of course you are going to pimp the M3000. 
https://www.facebook.com/jtischauser/posts/10202944144797517?stream_ref=10 |
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My JM Pro 930 has been rock solid and I know plenty of folks who run them, love them and haven't had issues. I Highly recommend it to anyone wanting to break into 3-Gun on a budget. Jesse you are Pro Staff Shooter for Stoeger, of course you are going to pimp the M3000.
https://www.facebook.com/jtischauser/posts/10202944144797517?stream_ref=10 Stoeger approached me about becoming a pro staff shooter as a result of my successes with the gun not before. How dare you question my integrity! It's a fact the Stoeger is cheaper to outfit similar to the Mossberg for 3 gun. If you want to shoot it even cheaper just add a tube and go. Here you can follow the saga of the M3000 that several of us have been working on for several months. Why the Stoeger M3000 is better than a mossberg |
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Stoeger approached me about becoming a pro staff shooter as a result of my successes with the gun not before. How dare you question my integrity! I didn't question your integrity, I simply stated a fact. You are a pro staff shooter for them so you would obviously pimp the shotgun. Hence the wink... nothing nefarious. From my experience and use of the JM Pro 930 it's a great entry level gun. |
| So I changed my mind and upped my money and ordered a Versa Max Tactical. It seems to get okay reviews and people say that the recoil is low. That is what my wife wanted and had me call a local gun shop. They were willing to order me one at what seemed like a good price, so she said to order it. So I did before she changed her mind. Now I will live with my choice. |
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So I changed my mind and upped my money and ordered a Versa Max Tactical. It seems to get okay reviews and people say that the recoil is low. That is what my wife wanted and had me call a local gun shop. They were willing to order me one at what seemed like a good price, so she said to order it. So I did before she changed her mind. Now I will live with my choice. Versamax is a great gun to. You should be able to "live with it" easily. |
| I've been running a 930 since before it was "cool". The devils fork has gotten much blood from me. The two main issues I've found with all of the 930's I've observed..................... A) Letting carbon build up in the piston area causing the bolt to not fully close. B) Incorrect magazine spring tension, too much or too little. I absolutely love my 930, but I will also say that I'm building a M3000 Stoeger as a back-up gun. I would not feel outgunned or under the hardware curve with either one. The only mandatory thing is lifter welding, easy to get done and not very expensive. Take off the lifter and send it to C-Rums (do a simple search), done deal. |
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I've been shooting a Mossberg 930 SPX that belongs to my girlfriend. 7+1 with rifle sights and no choke so not ideally suited to three-gun but it's all I had. It was generally reliable but it did like to leave empties in the chamber on occasion. Two times in the last match, probably shot 100 shells. Once was the last round I fired so fortunately there were no negative effects, but one while engaging an MGM spinner so of course it ruined that stage for me.
My buddy had a JM Pro and it did the same thing but with MUCH more regularity. It also liked to tear the rim engaged by the extractor right off the shell. On his second or third stage it gave up completely and became a single shot. He finished the match with a borrowed Benelli. We both have since bought Stoeger M3000s. I haven't shot mine yet (just picked it up Thursday) but he reports success with his, claiming 100% reliability so far even with Winchester Universals and light 7/8oz loads. |
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I've been running a 930 since before it was "cool". The devils fork has gotten much blood from me. The two main issues I've found with all of the 930's I've observed..................... A) Letting carbon build up in the piston area causing the bolt to not fully close. B) Incorrect magazine spring tension, too much or too little. I absolutely love my 930, but I will also say that I'm building a M3000 Stoeger as a back-up gun. I would not feel outgunned or under the hardware curve with either one. The only mandatory thing is lifter welding, easy to get done and not very expensive. Take off the lifter and send it to C-Rums (do a simple search), done deal. I agree with this 100%. I'll keep my 930 around because it was cheap, I already have it, and if I keep it clean and maintained then it runs as it should. To give an example, the last match where it took a dump I had shot 2 games of trap, two days before the match. No extra rounds were fired during the trap session, and after 2 shotgun stages mine was having problems that additional oil weren't going to fix. I cleaned it, in between stages and after that it was fine. The stage that it took a dump definitely had me looking at Benellis for a while though. My .02 is that I know what limitations the gun has, and I didn't pay very much for it (<$600). I would love to try out an M2, or even shoot a M3000 at a match, but right now the gun that I have is the gun that I shoot. I have way too many other irons in the fire when it comes to guns, to drop more money on something that is technically working out OK for me at the moment. |
| I have the 930 and didn't have issues with it, until I was doing a 3 gun class with a pro shooter and the bolt catch pin came out and essentially locked the gun up solid. Sent Mossberg an email about the issue and never heard anything from them. When it failed I shot a stage with one of the other students m3000 and it is a very nice gun, The loading set up is a little different but still a nice piece. |
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I bought a new JM Pro in June 2013. Shot a box of shells through it and it worked fine. Then, at my first 3-Gun match it kept double feeding shells (the same kind as the first box). Sent the gun back to Mossberg and 2 months later got it back and seemed to work fine. Then, last week at another 3-Gun match, shells starting getting stuck in the chamber so tight the extractor couldn't pull them out. I scrubbed and polished the chamber and then fired 15 rounds of 3 different shells and they all worked.
So far, I am not impressed with this gun and wish I had bought another brand, but that is my experience. I'm also disappointed with Mossberg's 2 year warranty. You may luck out and get a flawless gun, but I've had problems. One other thing, for the life of me I don't know why the gun doesn't come with a welded lifter. It's got Jerry Miculek's name on it for crying out loud, it should have a lifter ready to go. Another PITA is that Mossberg will not sell the lifter to a consumer. That means you have to give/send the lifter to someone who can weld it and in the meantime the gun can't be used. |
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I bought a new JM Pro in June 2013. Shot a box of shells through it and it worked fine. Then, at my first 3-Gun match it kept double feeding shells (the same kind as the first box). Sent the gun back to Mossberg and 2 months later got it back and seemed to work fine. Then, last week at another 3-Gun match, shells starting getting stuck in the chamber so tight the extractor couldn't pull them out. I scrubbed and polished the chamber and then fired 15 rounds of 3 different shells and they all worked. So far, I am not impressed with this gun and wish I had bought another brand, but that is my experience. I'm also disappointed with Mossberg's 2 year warranty. You may luck out and get a flawless gun, but I've had problems. One other thing, for the life of me I don't know why the gun doesn't come with a welded lifter. It's got Jerry Miculek's name on it for crying out loud, it should have a lifter ready to go. Another PITA is that Mossberg will not sell the lifter to a consumer. That means you have to give/send the lifter to someone who can weld it and in the meantime the gun can't be used. That is not true Mossberg won't sell a lifter to a consumer. You can A. Buy a lifter directly from them for around $25 if I remember the price correctly, or B If you are under warranty, call them up and get a replacement lifter for free. I know this because I called them a few months ago and got one for free under my warranty. The part number for the lifter is 16925BL if my notes are correct. I also purchased a new JM Pro in 2013. Mossberg has been incredibly helpful as I've called them several times to get replacement/spare parts on a couple pieces, all covered free under warranty. If you watch Jerry's cleaning video, he recommends cleaning the chamber and piston at around 2-300 rounds. I picked up a gas ring and chamber brush and have cleaned as per his process and recommendations, the shotgun has run perfect. |
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That is not true Mossberg won't sell a lifter to a consumer. You can A. Buy a lifter directly from them for around $25 if I remember the price correctly, or B If you are under warranty, call them up and get a replacement lifter for free. I know this because I called them a few months ago and got one for free under my warranty. The part number for the lifter is 16925BL if my notes are correct. I also purchased a new JM Pro in 2013. Mossberg has been incredibly helpful as I've called them several times to get replacement/spare parts on a couple pieces, all covered free under warranty. Quoted:
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I bought a new JM Pro in June 2013. Shot a box of shells through it and it worked fine. Then, at my first 3-Gun match it kept double feeding shells (the same kind as the first box). Sent the gun back to Mossberg and 2 months later got it back and seemed to work fine. Then, last week at another 3-Gun match, shells starting getting stuck in the chamber so tight the extractor couldn't pull them out. I scrubbed and polished the chamber and then fired 15 rounds of 3 different shells and they all worked. So far, I am not impressed with this gun and wish I had bought another brand, but that is my experience. I'm also disappointed with Mossberg's 2 year warranty. You may luck out and get a flawless gun, but I've had problems. One other thing, for the life of me I don't know why the gun doesn't come with a welded lifter. It's got Jerry Miculek's name on it for crying out loud, it should have a lifter ready to go. Another PITA is that Mossberg will not sell the lifter to a consumer. That means you have to give/send the lifter to someone who can weld it and in the meantime the gun can't be used. That is not true Mossberg won't sell a lifter to a consumer. You can A. Buy a lifter directly from them for around $25 if I remember the price correctly, or B If you are under warranty, call them up and get a replacement lifter for free. I know this because I called them a few months ago and got one for free under my warranty. The part number for the lifter is 16925BL if my notes are correct. I also purchased a new JM Pro in 2013. Mossberg has been incredibly helpful as I've called them several times to get replacement/spare parts on a couple pieces, all covered free under warranty. I apologize if I gave the wrong info about Mossberg not selling lifters to consumers. There are multiple postings on the Web of people saying Mossberg will only ship the lifter to an FFL (which makes no sense to me). Maybe they have changed their policy??? In any event, I am going to call them to see if I can get a replacement. |
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I apologize if I gave the wrong info about Mossberg not selling lifters to consumers. There are multiple postings on the Web of people saying Mossberg will only ship the lifter to an FFL (which makes no sense to me). Maybe they have changed their policy??? In any event, I am going to call them to see if I can get a replacement. Quoted:
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I bought a new JM Pro in June 2013. Shot a box of shells through it and it worked fine. Then, at my first 3-Gun match it kept double feeding shells (the same kind as the first box). Sent the gun back to Mossberg and 2 months later got it back and seemed to work fine. Then, last week at another 3-Gun match, shells starting getting stuck in the chamber so tight the extractor couldn't pull them out. I scrubbed and polished the chamber and then fired 15 rounds of 3 different shells and they all worked. So far, I am not impressed with this gun and wish I had bought another brand, but that is my experience. I'm also disappointed with Mossberg's 2 year warranty. You may luck out and get a flawless gun, but I've had problems. One other thing, for the life of me I don't know why the gun doesn't come with a welded lifter. It's got Jerry Miculek's name on it for crying out loud, it should have a lifter ready to go. Another PITA is that Mossberg will not sell the lifter to a consumer. That means you have to give/send the lifter to someone who can weld it and in the meantime the gun can't be used. That is not true Mossberg won't sell a lifter to a consumer. You can A. Buy a lifter directly from them for around $25 if I remember the price correctly, or B If you are under warranty, call them up and get a replacement lifter for free. I know this because I called them a few months ago and got one for free under my warranty. The part number for the lifter is 16925BL if my notes are correct. I also purchased a new JM Pro in 2013. Mossberg has been incredibly helpful as I've called them several times to get replacement/spare parts on a couple pieces, all covered free under warranty. I apologize if I gave the wrong info about Mossberg not selling lifters to consumers. There are multiple postings on the Web of people saying Mossberg will only ship the lifter to an FFL (which makes no sense to me). Maybe they have changed their policy??? In any event, I am going to call them to see if I can get a replacement. No problem, I can only speak to my experience. Perhaps they did change policy seeing as how it was such a frequent request. Good luck! |
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So I have been hearing all this stuff on multiple forums. Out of curiosity....has Jerry ever made comments about the issues it has? Seems like a gun back by his name would push him to have Mossberg fix the issues. He is a great shooter and great competitor that i would think would not like to have such issues related to him! I have no gun in this battle as I went with a different gun after considering one of these. But man, seems they choke more then other shotguns typically used in 3 gun. I watched two of them choke in my first 3 gun match back in July. Offered to let both of them borrow my gun. One got his working again and one borrowed mine for the last 2 stages.
All guns should be cleaned on a regular basis, but I have an issue with any gun (shotgun, rifle or pistol) that must be cleaned every 200-300 rounds for it to function properly. |
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So I have been hearing all this stuff on multiple forums. Out of curiosity....has Jerry ever made comments about the issues it has? Seems like a gun back by his name would push him to have Mossberg fix the issues. He is a great shooter and great competitor that i would think would not like to have such issues related to him! I have no gun in this battle as I went with a different gun after considering one of these. But man, seems they choke more then other shotguns typically used in 3 gun. I watched two of them choke in my first 3 gun match back in July. Offered to let both of them borrow my gun. One got his working again and one borrowed mine for the last 2 stages. All guns should be cleaned on a regular basis, but I have an issue with any gun (shotgun, rifle or pistol) that must be cleaned every 200-300 rounds for it to function properly. The closest I've seen of a response from Jerry is in the Brownells article on the failure to feed issue. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=15831/GunTechdetail/Fixing-A-Mossberg-930-Feed-From-The-Tube-Problem I've heard the newer shotguns being sold these days aren't seeing the issues, maybe it was more prominent when they first came out. |
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RO a 3 -Gun match, especially a large shotgun stage.
You'll learn that ALL SG's have a problem now and then. I just got done ROing the Gen lll match, stage 2 , 29 SG targets Every SG finished the stage, except for the guys who ran out of ammo 
I think Every brand had at least 1 type of failure. I did notice the 930's were one of the few that were shooting Win, Universal ammo (the absolute WORST ammo I've shot) with very few problems I might add. I have 2 of each, Benelli, 930, MKA 1919, all 3 are equally reliable |
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Been shooting my JM Pro for about 10 matches now and had some issues at first with the Walmart federal ammo, but after switching to Estate its running pretty well. Every now and then I will have a little hiccup, but nothing I cant work through in a second or two. For the money I am happy with the JM.
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I have been a Mossberg fan from way back, my first SG ever was a 590, before they were even calling them 590's, so it was natural for me to pick up a 9200 back in the day, but it was basically a duck-gun, so it was quickly traded away. When the 930SPX came out, I was the first one in my area to buy one (that I know about, & according to the LGS). I have had problems, but I just figured that was the price of being cool, and at least places were making accessories for it. My 930 has seen probably close to 5k rounds, which I know is not much by shot gunner standards, but I have worked through all manner of problems from the piston to grinding down and re-attaching the pic tinny rail, to adding a 590 heat shield. I even went through 5 Choate tubes and 11 springs to add a measly one shot to the tube. I determined that one can get away with firing around 1000 rounds of walmart federal bulk pack before the gun chokes and stops loading shells:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0WHgJ7NjM Now I have a JM pro also, and overall I am happy with it. I think I am going to shorten the LOP a bit, but otherwise I think it is fairly close to competition ready. My main complaint is the choke threads on the barrel are sloppier than I would like, but then both of my other choked shotguns were cut by a gunsmith (Rose) so they are as crisp and pretty as can be, so I am spoiled. The lifter needs welded, and the piston will need cleaned, but I am seriously considering buying a spare set of piston parts so if I have a problem during a match I can do a quick swap instead of detail stripping the gun on the safe-table... 
Most any gun has issues when used for competition, and the Stoegers are no different. Apparently the 3500 has a small pin in the action that when it falls out, completely goobers up the gun (happened on my stage down at gen3gun). Since I was not encouraging gunsmithing on the stage under time, I never found out exactly what that was, other than having to scan the stage with a magnet on a stick looking for it. |