Posted: 5/15/2012 6:39:16 PM EDT
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Hi everyone. Great site ya'll have here. I have been lurking for a while, but haven't posted. I have a couple of questions that I haven't been able to find searching.
I am very interested in joining the 3-gun competition community (beginning with 2-gun until I get a shotgun worthy of competing). I currently own a XDM in 40 that I feel I can be competitive with (not necessarily win with, but merely not come in dead last, hopefully). Also, a Bushmaster XM15-e2s with an 18" 1 in 9 twist barrel. On the Bushmaster, I have an ACOG 4X32 TA01 scope. My questions are; are the ranges competed too close to be competitive with a 4x32 scope? And if so, would it be prudent to look into a RMR-01 with a RMR-38 mount to mount on top of the ACOG I have now? I am very satisfied with the TA01. Honestly the clearest and most accurate scope I have peered through, I'm just worried that at the closer ranges, it might be too much magnification to acquire the quick target acquisition needed for competition. I'm sure some of you are tired of all the newcomers asking questions until they are blue in the face (what's the best this, what's the best that, can I win with, etc) but I truly did a lot of research and tried the search (limited to 90 days here), but I'm coming up short in the questions that I do have. Thanks anyone and everyone. And I hope to see some of you at the matches in the future. |
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I assume you will be starting with Tactical Optics?
In that case, you cannot add a red dot to your optic to remain in that division. Only 1 optic is allowed and the ACOG counts as one. With a fixed 4x, it will be difficult, but I have seen plenty of people shoot well in training courses with close targets with both eyes open. Putting 2 rounds on brown target shouldn't be too difficult, but only you can judge what you are capable. I have seen people with angled iron sights. Of course you can move to a different division, but with a hefty investment for the RMR, it would be better to try it the way you have it first at your local range first at various distances. I am very new to the sport, but not sure people will get tired of answers yet as there are not that many posts and questions like yours are difficult to search for. |
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An RMR-01 on an ACOG would be 2 optics and you would be in Open Division. Which is ok, but a tough place to start in competition.
The ranges are anywhere from roughly contact distance to a few hundred yards. So, come out and shoot with the 4x ACOG. See how you like it. I suspect you will want a change. Most go with a low-power variable, but you might be happy with what you have. Lee |
| you may be a little slower, but I shot a TA01 at Ft Benning for 6 years...make sure you know what your point blank point of aim is for very close head shots, ...due to the offset from center of scope to height above bore....I previously used the darker 600m line for point blank, and the 300m stadia for the 75y headshots with a neck hold...the last two years I used a roll over sight mounted on the fore end that looks like a BoMar rib... use a BoMar clone adjustable rear and gives me a pistol sight picture, and sighted for the close in stuff |
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Your ACOG is workable in Tactical Scope/Optic division; some folks do very well with it at close range using the Bindon Aiming Concept. I suggest you attend a few matches before making any buying decisions. Too many folks get hung up on trying to have all the right equipment before starting... just run what ya brung and see what works. If you have $$$ burning a hole in your pocket, spend it on a shotgun. Eventually, if you decide to stick with Tac Scope division, you may decide to sell your ACOG in favor of one of the many excellent low power zoom scopes, but you don't need to make that investment today.
If you decide you want to shoot in Open division (such as if you chose to buy a box-mag shotgun), then a second optic is permissible. However, I would NOT recommend mounting it on top of the ACOG - this location is too high for a good cheek weld, increases the bore offset problem at close range, and the mounts i have seen are not really secure. Better to mount it offset. Your other alternative is to grow a pair, dump the magnified optics and shoot in Tactical Limited division using a red dot optic like a real man 
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Your ACOG is workable in Tactical Scope/Optic division; some folks do very well with it at close range using the Bindon Aiming Concept. I suggest you attend a few matches before making any buying decisions. Too many folks get hung up on trying to have all the right equipment before starting... just run what ya brung and see what works. If you have $$$ burning a hole in your pocket, spend it on a shotgun. Eventually, if you decide to stick with Tac Scope division, you may decide to sell your ACOG in favor of one of the many excellent low power zoom scopes, but you don't need to make that investment today. If you decide you want to shoot in Open division (such as if you chose to buy a box-mag shotgun), then a second optic is permissible. However, I would NOT recommend mounting it on top of the ACOG - this location is too high for a good cheek weld, increases the bore offset problem at close range, and the mounts i have seen are not really secure. Better to mount it offset. Your other alternative is to grow a pair, dump the magnified optics and shoot in Tactical Limited division using a red dot optic like a real man The Stealthy one is spot on here as usual. I run a Swarobski 1-6X. The scope spends more than 75% of the time on 1X. Shoot what you have to get started and ask your squad mates at matches to check out there guns and gear do you can make a decision on things based off of actually putting your hands on things. |
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Your ACOG is workable in Tactical Scope/Optic division; some folks do very well with it at close range using the Bindon Aiming Concept. I suggest you attend a few matches before making any buying decisions. Too many folks get hung up on trying to have all the right equipment before starting... just run what ya brung and see what works. If you have $$$ burning a hole in your pocket, spend it on a shotgun. Eventually, if you decide to stick with Tac Scope division, you may decide to sell your ACOG in favor of one of the many excellent low power zoom scopes, but you don't need to make that investment today. If you decide you want to shoot in Open division (such as if you chose to buy a box-mag shotgun), then a second optic is permissible. However, I would NOT recommend mounting it on top of the ACOG - this location is too high for a good cheek weld, increases the bore offset problem at close range, and the mounts i have seen are not really secure. Better to mount it offset. Your other alternative is to grow a pair, dump the magnified optics and shoot in Tactical Limited division using a red dot optic like a real man The bindon point aiming concept does not work with the TAO1 mentioned because it does now have an illuminated reticle (at least not for daylight just tritium for night use). For the bindon point aiming concept to work you need a very clear and bright reticle for your shooting eye to contrast to the information of the surronding area from your non shooting eye. Pat |
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Your ACOG is workable in Tactical Scope/Optic division; some folks do very well with it at close range using the Bindon Aiming Concept. I suggest you attend a few matches before making any buying decisions. Too many folks get hung up on trying to have all the right equipment before starting... just run what ya brung and see what works. If you have $$$ burning a hole in your pocket, spend it on a shotgun. Eventually, if you decide to stick with Tac Scope division, you may decide to sell your ACOG in favor of one of the many excellent low power zoom scopes, but you don't need to make that investment today. If you decide you want to shoot in Open division (such as if you chose to buy a box-mag shotgun), then a second optic is permissible. However, I would NOT recommend mounting it on top of the ACOG - this location is too high for a good cheek weld, increases the bore offset problem at close range, and the mounts i have seen are not really secure. Better to mount it offset. Your other alternative is to grow a pair, dump the magnified optics and shoot in Tactical Limited division using a red dot optic like a real man The bindon point aiming concept does not work with the TAO1 mentioned because it does now have an illuminated reticle (at least not for daylight just tritium for night use). For the bindon point aiming concept to work you need a very clear and bright reticle for your shooting eye to contrast to the information of the surronding area from your non shooting eye. Pat DOH! |
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I use to use a TA11F. A problem you can run into with Bindon is if your eyes don't focus to the same point exactly (can start happening with age). I tried the Bindon for a while, then a Progressive Machine flip up cover.....the problem was bad reticle shift at close range. With this stated problem and just getting lost in the magnification at close range I finally gave up and sold it. I now use 1-4x optic, things are much better now. |
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Thanks for the advice. I have been thinking about the optics, and have decided that since I purchased the ACOG in the middle of last year, I cannot justify spending any more on another optic just to put the ACOG on a dust collector. I will take StealthyBlagga's advice (somewhat). I don't have money burning a hole in my pocket (ol lady and a couple of kids), but do have some work coming in. Rather than spending money on an optic, I am going to opt to save for a FN SPL Mk1. Maybe, depends on if the gun fits me. McBrides in Austin has some in stock, so I'll go into town tomorrow and see if the shoe fits.
Again, thanks for all the advice. |