Posted: 2/7/2012 1:32:18 PM EDT
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Do any of you try to induce any stress into your training? If so what kind? A shot clock? Physical activity? Both? Dummy rounds mixed with live rounds?
Or what do you even consider stress? I don't find competition to be stressful, just fun. I shoot in a more physical kind of multigun so we are typically stressed with some sort of physical activity and while huffing and puffing, have to shoot. What do the top guys do if anything? |
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Bill, are you starting to shoot 3gun? I'm hoping to shoot at least one match per month once I sight in all my stuff... You know I wouldn't mind tryin to get up to Rio but my schedule is as bad as your. I'm luck to take off that saturday for ACTS each month. |
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I guess I'll add some of the stuff in do.
I have a shot clock but that's not for stress unless I'm doing El Presidentes by myself or with my brother. I will often times knock out some pushups or a sprint then do a CoF or drill. Next week I will be doing a mock ACTS match with the physical challenge amped up times 100. I call it the 'Shootivist', a play on the Costanza's Festivist. It's basically a brutal workout with CoF's built into it. All designed to be accurate while being completely winded and fatigued. Stuff like doing 50 squats then sprinting 50 yards, doing 50 pushups then picking up your rifle and working a Vtac barricade at a 50 yard target. Things like that 
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You're a sick man...but that's probably why you always beat me. :) I have to miss the next two ACTS matches...see ya in April. :( You are always welcome to come down and train with me! I'll post some video over at AZshooting You're on. I can't do the physical stuff, but I'm all for some shooting training. I'm getting ready to order a few goodies from MGM Targets, so we can set some practice stages up. |
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Physical stress or mental stress?
I don't physically stress myself during shooting but I work out about three times a week. If you're reasonably healthy, you won't be able to raise your heart rate in 40 seconds of running to really mess with any short range shooting at huge targets. Being fit doesn't hurt at all, but like Patrick Kelly said on the Enos forum the other day - "Washboard abs get their lunch handed to them all the time."
I will probably begin to do it when practicing for long range targets but not really anything else. Being out of shape and "defeated" on the third day of a match WILL make you lose to someone who isn't tired. I wish there were a way to simulate the mental stress of the pressure to perform well in a major match with money on the line. The closest I can get to it is having someone else run the buzzer at every local match I go to. Even then, I'd say it's a good 20% of the real thing. Nothing comes close to crowds and cameras though... -Cameron |
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I believe that this is the more important type of stress to train for:
"Most top athletes and coaches believe that psychological factors play as crucial a role as physical attributes and learned skills in the make-up of champions. When physical skills are evenly matched – as they tend to be in competitive sport – the competitor with greater control over his or her mind will usually emerge as the victor. Mental strength is not going to compensate for lack of skill, but in close contests it can make the difference between winning and losing." "Simulation training is a great way to prepare mentally for the challenges of competition, and this can include mental as well as physical stressors. For example, a tennis player could increase the mental pressures in a practice match by starting each service game 0-15 down, and thus getting used to ‘rebounding’ after losing the first point. Alternatively a player with an over-reliance on his first serve could be restricted to one serve only and be forced to become extremely focused and accurate with what is, in effect, a second serve. To enhance the stress still further, players could practise by playing tiebreakers, or play practice matches in front of an audience. The coach might use bad line calls or spectator noise as a way of exposing players intermittently to distractions and giving them practice at dealing with them." http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-psychology-and-mental-toughness-14 |
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Yes, I think physical stress in training is the only way to prepare for matches like Tiger Valley or Ironman effectively. Sprinting, carrying heavy stuff, assorted exercises combined with shooting all help.
Being in better shape has helped my scores. There are a lot of good shooters that could do even better if they put more energy into fitness. |
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Yes, I think physical stress in training is the only way to prepare for matches like Tiger Valley or Ironman effectively. Sprinting, carrying heavy stuff, assorted exercises combined with shooting all help. Being in better shape has helped my scores. There are a lot of good shooters that could do even better if they put more energy into fitness. You have no idea how glad I am that ACTS is getting the physical challenges taken up a few notches. When others are winded and uncomfortable I'm at home
I am gonna plan on doing the Pecos Run 'N' Gun this year too 
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| If it is just me and my training buddies at the range we will run to the target and back (or partway) I also do a lot of "surprise drills" where you are walking a figure 8 and you don't know what target is gonna be called. I use a shot timer too, but I don't really consider that stress anymore... sometimes we yell at are training buddies, or other shit. I'm wanting to start throwing fire Crackers. |
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If it is just me and my training buddies at the range we will run to the target and back (or partway) I also do a lot of "surprise drills" where you are walking a figure 8 and you don't know what target is gonna be called. I use a shot timer too, but I don't really consider that stress anymore... sometimes we yell at are training buddies, or other shit. I'm wanting to start throwing fire Crackers. Lol My buddy tossed fire crackers at me while I was behind a Rem 700 bearing down on a lemon. I was so focused on my sight picture I didn't even notice the fire cracker blowing up next to me. He throw a few of them but didn't even know until I watched to video 
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Quoted: Quoted: If it is just me and my training buddies at the range we will run to the target and back (or partway) I also do a lot of "surprise drills" where you are walking a figure 8 and you don't know what target is gonna be called. I use a shot timer too, but I don't really consider that stress anymore... sometimes we yell at are training buddies, or other shit. I'm wanting to start throwing fire Crackers. Lol My buddy tossed fire crackers at me while I was behind a Rem 700 bearing down on a lemon. I was so focused on my sight picture I didn't even notice the fire cracker blowing up next to me. He throw a few of them but didn't even know until I watched to video This is not your typical 3 gun match, this is the Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox. Some Vietnam vets started this match over 30 years ago. The stage are up a creek bed and through a swamp. This video is from 3 years ago when they had firecrackers going off at your feet. ETA: the firecrackers are at the 1:00 mark.  |
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Every miss results in a roshambo. That's all the stress it takes. KC Eusebio actually has a teammate punch him as hard as they can every time he has a miss on a USPSA stage. 
I'm gonna have to get a stun gun or something to increase the performance of the Spike's team if we're at the 3-Man-3-Gun match.
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Im in the military and have done stress shoots with our soldiers. We have them in full battle rattle, run them, make them climb up hills, low crawl, high crawl, push ups, and many other things before they even get to their rifle. Then we set it up in stages where they shoot from the prone from about 80 meters, 3-5 second rushes to the next position which is kneeling behind cover then a move and shoot all the way to about 5 meters from the target. They perform at least one mag change from each position. And the whole time they do this there are a multitude if NCOs right in their face screaming and yelling. We do this and then at the end the joes get to run the NCOs through the stress fire. They love it. And it really shows them how difficult it is to shoot and perform various actions in various positions under mental and physical stress.
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