Posted: 12/29/2013 6:08:34 AM EDT
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I only have access to mouth calls. I have a coyote howler made by knight and hale, and a dying rabbit screamer from flex tone. These were my thoughts.
Heavy rabbit screams for a few minutes which slowly die off. Pause for about 30 seconds Then more heavy rabbit screams for another few minutes which die off in a garggling fashion. Then after another couple minutes of silence, transition into some coyote barks and howles. I've never hunted coyote successfully, and the few times I did was using e callers. Any advice and criticism is appreciated. |
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What's your location? Just stick with the rabbit and avoid the coyote vocalizations. Barking is a way of saying "I'm gonna kick your ass" in coyote speak. Ok, yeah I went out tonight, called the way I said I would, was expecting a vocal response but never got one. What's the best way to call with only the rabbit call, and what should i expect? What's the point of the coyote howler? ETA right now I'm located with my back to a cut corn field, just inside the woods. I'm over looking briar thickets with a small rivine. Heavy with rabbit sign and I've hunted this field all deer season and have heard coyote in the woods howling and barking on multiple occasions. Thanks for the help, just a newb looking to extend my hunting season, and help the deer population! |
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I just let it run on rabbit distress. I usually only sit a stand for 20 minutes, then move a good half mile or more, but I've been sitting my stands 45 minutes or more lately because we've got bobcat sign and cats take longer to come to a call.
To me, the actual sequence and such isn't all that important. Knowing where to set up and setting a lot of stands is the key. Coyotes are curious, hungry critters. If they're around, they'll come check out almost anything that sounds like food. You can't call 'em in if they're not there, so no sense in sitting in one spot listening to a rabbit being tortured for longer than you have to. Pack it up and move to a new spot. And you'll be doing a lot more good for the rabbits, turkey, and quail than you will for the deer. ETA: Your stand sounds a tad off, to me. I like to set up with a clear line of sight downwind, to make sure I catch the ones that are smart enough to circle on me. I never set up and call in the woods, you'll just educate your coyotes doing that unless you're one helluva shot, in my opinion. Coyotes are fast, and they almost never stop moving. You'll be lucky to get a two count of one standing still, and that's when the game is up. If you don't make the shot he'll be off at warp speed, and that much smarter. What I do, is I set up along the woodline facing into the field. I look for little clumps of brush and such to hide my call, then if I'm inclined, I'll set up a decoy which on my budget is a dog chew toy furry rabbit that my dog chewed all the stuffing out of, stuck on a wire coat hanger with an old fishing reel holding the line I use to jiggle it. Seems to work pretty good but it's a pain to carry and set up. |
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I just let it run on rabbit distress. I usually only sit a stand for 20 minutes, then move a good half mile or more, but I've been sitting my stands 45 minutes or more lately because we've got bobcat sign and cats take longer to come to a call. To me, the actual sequence and such isn't all that important. Knowing where to set up and setting a lot of stands is the key. Coyotes are curious, hungry critters. If they're around, they'll come check out almost anything that sounds like food. You can't call 'em in if they're not there, so no sense in sitting in one spot listening to a rabbit being tortured for longer than you have to. Pack it up and move to a new spot. And you'll be doing a lot more good for the rabbits, turkey, and quail than you will for the deer. ETA: Your stand sounds a tad off, to me. I like to set up with a clear line of sight downwind, to make sure I catch the ones that are smart enough to circle on me. I never set up and call in the woods, you'll just educate your coyotes doing that unless you're one helluva shot, in my opinion. Coyotes are fast, and they almost never stop moving. You'll be lucky to get a two count of one standing still, and that's when the game is up. If you don't make the shot he'll be off at warp speed, and that much smarter. What I do, is I set up along the woodline facing into the field. I look for little clumps of brush and such to hide my call, then if I'm inclined, I'll set up a decoy which on my budget is a dog chew toy furry rabbit that my dog chewed all the stuffing out of, stuck on a wire coat hanger with an old fishing reel holding the line I use to jiggle it. Seems to work pretty good but it's a pain to carry and set up. Ok thanks for the tips. Yes I was worried about how fast the dogs move, I'm use to hunting deer which slowly amble through the woods. I have a few different fields I can hunt too. I will make a decoy from a rabbit pelt I have, that sounds like an excellent way to seal the deal, and draw the dog to me while keeping them distracted. Thanks, happy hunting. |
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Ok thanks for the tips. Yes I was worried about how fast the dogs move, I'm use to hunting deer which slowly amble through the woods. I have a few different fields I can hunt too. I will make a decoy from a rabbit pelt I have, that sounds like an excellent way to seal the deal, and draw the dog to me while keeping them distracted. Thanks, happy hunting. Quoted:
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I just let it run on rabbit distress. I usually only sit a stand for 20 minutes, then move a good half mile or more, but I've been sitting my stands 45 minutes or more lately because we've got bobcat sign and cats take longer to come to a call. To me, the actual sequence and such isn't all that important. Knowing where to set up and setting a lot of stands is the key. Coyotes are curious, hungry critters. If they're around, they'll come check out almost anything that sounds like food. You can't call 'em in if they're not there, so no sense in sitting in one spot listening to a rabbit being tortured for longer than you have to. Pack it up and move to a new spot. And you'll be doing a lot more good for the rabbits, turkey, and quail than you will for the deer. ETA: Your stand sounds a tad off, to me. I like to set up with a clear line of sight downwind, to make sure I catch the ones that are smart enough to circle on me. I never set up and call in the woods, you'll just educate your coyotes doing that unless you're one helluva shot, in my opinion. Coyotes are fast, and they almost never stop moving. You'll be lucky to get a two count of one standing still, and that's when the game is up. If you don't make the shot he'll be off at warp speed, and that much smarter. What I do, is I set up along the woodline facing into the field. I look for little clumps of brush and such to hide my call, then if I'm inclined, I'll set up a decoy which on my budget is a dog chew toy furry rabbit that my dog chewed all the stuffing out of, stuck on a wire coat hanger with an old fishing reel holding the line I use to jiggle it. Seems to work pretty good but it's a pain to carry and set up. Ok thanks for the tips. Yes I was worried about how fast the dogs move, I'm use to hunting deer which slowly amble through the woods. I have a few different fields I can hunt too. I will make a decoy from a rabbit pelt I have, that sounds like an excellent way to seal the deal, and draw the dog to me while keeping them distracted. Thanks, happy hunting. You're on the right track. Coyotes operate on a completely different wavelength from a deer. Whitetails have to be cautious. Their food doesn't move much, and they generally know where to find it. It's getting to the next bean field without being eaten that worries them. They're generally fattened up pretty good for the winter, if the weather is too bad, they'll head to the nearest clump of cedar trees and wait it out, maybe chew some green twigs to fill their belly. Coyotes have to work considerably harder to get their food, but they don't have much to worry about in the way of predators, at least in Missouri. Their DNA remembers being chased down by wolves, so they are wary. They're much smarter than the whitetail. Their food has a brain too, though. That means they have to chase and kill it. Their food is mostly rabbits and mice. Rabbits are fast, and mice are tiny and hide well. Coyotes are rarely as well fattened as deer, unless you're dealing with an old carcass eater or an urban coyote. That means no hunkering down during the cold and wind. They'll freeze. All that means that they never stop moving. If they want to eat, they've got to scour their territory and put their nose in a lot of bushes. That's why when they hear your rabbit distress call, they beat feet to get their before another predator. Easy food is a rare treat for them. |