Posted: 12/9/2015 4:02:14 PM EDT
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You all ever hear the phrase "NET CONTROL - REQUEST PERMISSION TO SECURE". Then that station would not be heard from again for the rest of that activation. Is that a formal term to request "ack" as I am here, but can not participate or something else?
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You all ever hear the phrase "NET CONTROL - REQUEST PERMISSION TO SECURE". Then that station would not be heard from again for the rest of that activation. Is that a formal term to request "ack" as I am here, but can not participate or something else? Tnx- In our RACES group that would be permission to shutdown operations. That said I have to add: How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces! If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do: The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors. The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire. The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter. The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building. |
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In our RACES group that would be permission to shutdown operations. That said I have to add: How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces! If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do: The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors. The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire. The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter. The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building. Quoted:
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You all ever hear the phrase "NET CONTROL - REQUEST PERMISSION TO SECURE". Then that station would not be heard from again for the rest of that activation. Is that a formal term to request "ack" as I am here, but can not participate or something else? Tnx- In our RACES group that would be permission to shutdown operations. That said I have to add: How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces! If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do: The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors. The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire. The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter. The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building. LOLOLOL |
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In our group its the same as GrinningWolf. Sometimes we are out on say a marathon course helping out with comms. After the last runner has passed, that station would secure and be released. ... Yes however these requests were in the very beginning. In fact tonight a station did it - first callsign ID, "Request to Secure at this time." "Permission granted." |
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Yes however these requests were in the very beginning. In fact tonight a station did it - first callsign ID, "Request to Secure at this time." "Permission granted." Quoted:
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In our group its the same as GrinningWolf. Sometimes we are out on say a marathon course helping out with comms. After the last runner has passed, that station would secure and be released. ... Yes however these requests were in the very beginning. In fact tonight a station did it - first callsign ID, "Request to Secure at this time." "Permission granted." Was it a net check only? If so, once they're logged in, there is usually no reason to hang around as messages and important traffic is typically at the beginning. |
| I could see that. In my experience, though, if you're only checking (like we'd do for Skywarn or the weekly ARES net) you wouldn't secure over the air, you'd just check-in and be done. I'd only see the need to secure if you were actually manning a position and wanted to go off the air. |
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Practice the way you play. Since they request to secure in the field, do the same on a net check to build repetition. This. That's pretty much how we do it in our AO, though that would only be if you participated for say half the net, but wanted to jump out... If your just checking into check in then your it could read like this: This is......... ab2cde. alpha bravo two Charlie delta echo in north county checking in and securing. "I would like to secure" also suffices. |
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Was it a net check only? If so, once they're logged in, there is usually no reason to hang around as messages and important traffic is typically at the beginning. Quoted:
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In our group its the same as GrinningWolf. Sometimes we are out on say a marathon course helping out with comms. After the last runner has passed, that station would secure and be released. ... Yes however these requests were in the very beginning. In fact tonight a station did it - first callsign ID, "Request to Secure at this time." "Permission granted." Was it a net check only? If so, once they're logged in, there is usually no reason to hang around as messages and important traffic is typically at the beginning. Our RACES is practiced train as you will operate. We have a strict and recently modified NET SCRIPT and within it all are strongly advised to be writing all the info/data along with CO-NET CONTROL as one day we will be called upon to BE NET CONTROL. When I asked Former 82nd AB VN (64-65) Capt. who was at the time of the first usage of "Secure" even he had no idea where it came from. Now I respect what he said not only as the then Acting Deputy B.C.-RACES/OEM but also former .Mil, CERT Trainer, CERT TTT, & MARS and VN War "Presenter of the Facts" PowerPoint on VietNam War. (Just figured I'd through that in there, he's one of my favorite people). Suffice it to say I guess someone used it back in some day here in Bergen County and it stayed. Pretty much once these stations SECURE and excused they are not heard from the rest of the night. |
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In the MARS program members are required to have xx many hours in a given period to maintain membership. If you checked into a net, you were logged for 1 hour. Sometimes life gets in the way and people have things to do and can't hang out for the whole time of the net, so you just check in and then secure getting credit for the time. It was not something that was encouraged but was acceptable once in a while. |
| It depends on what state you are in. Texas, RACES is overseen by the Texas Department of Public Safety (same org that issues CHLs, runs the Rangers, Troopers, etc). Secure in the last RACES manual I saw for Texas meant encrypt. Of course, the RACES background check is more stringent than that of the CHL check and if you read the whole manual they are really trying to prepare RACES for use as additional emergency dispatchers. |
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In the MARS program members are required to have xx many hours in a given period to maintain membership. If you checked into a net, you were logged for 1 hour. Sometimes life gets in the way and people have things to do and can't hang out for the whole time of the net, so you just check in and then secure getting credit for the time. It was not something that was encouraged but was acceptable once in a while. Ah, makes sense.... Off topic: Considering what we should be doing OEM should conduct some kind of Security Clearance as it relates to DHS/Active Shooter, etc. If you put the volunteer time in you should be "recognized" as an integral part of the big picture. Yeah, I know they are "expensive" - the freaking State of NJ give you a damn *chicken inspection* for every pistol purchased. Chicken Inspection="look up your ass=full arrest, mental, reference investigation. |
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Quoted: Ah, makes sense.... Off topic: Considering what we should be doing OEM should conduct some kind of Security Clearance as it relates to DHS/Active Shooter, etc. If you put the volunteer time in you should be "recognized" as an integral part of the big picture. Yeah, I know they are "expensive" - the freaking State of NJ give you a damn *chicken inspection* for every pistol purchased. Chicken Inspection="look up your ass=full arrest, mental, reference investigation. Quoted: Quoted: In the MARS program members are required to have xx many hours in a given period to maintain membership. If you checked into a net, you were logged for 1 hour. Sometimes life gets in the way and people have things to do and can't hang out for the whole time of the net, so you just check in and then secure getting credit for the time. It was not something that was encouraged but was acceptable once in a while. Ah, makes sense.... Off topic: Considering what we should be doing OEM should conduct some kind of Security Clearance as it relates to DHS/Active Shooter, etc. If you put the volunteer time in you should be "recognized" as an integral part of the big picture. Yeah, I know they are "expensive" - the freaking State of NJ give you a damn *chicken inspection* for every pistol purchased. Chicken Inspection="look up your ass=full arrest, mental, reference investigation. ETA: I remember a few times in MARS some stations would go off the air after checking in. The net control would do another check in at the end of the net to see who was still around.  If you weren't there, you didn't get credit for the net. Do that too many times and they'd boot you. Fortunately most of the members were serious about it and there was very little nonsense. |
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In my county the OES is run out of the Sheriffs office. Every RACES member gets a background check before issuing official ID. I don't know how indepth they go, probably not much. Same with MARS, I don't know how deep they go. ETA: I remember a few times in MARS some stations would go off the air after checking in. The net control would do another check in at the end of the net to see who was still around. If you weren't there, you didn't get credit for the net. Do that too many times and they'd boot you. Fortunately most of the members were serious about it and there was very little nonsense.
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In the MARS program members are required to have xx many hours in a given period to maintain membership. If you checked into a net, you were logged for 1 hour. Sometimes life gets in the way and people have things to do and can't hang out for the whole time of the net, so you just check in and then secure getting credit for the time. It was not something that was encouraged but was acceptable once in a while. Ah, makes sense.... Off topic: Considering what we should be doing OEM should conduct some kind of Security Clearance as it relates to DHS/Active Shooter, etc. If you put the volunteer time in you should be "recognized" as an integral part of the big picture. Yeah, I know they are "expensive" - the freaking State of NJ give you a damn *chicken inspection* for every pistol purchased. Chicken Inspection="look up your ass=full arrest, mental, reference investigation. ETA: I remember a few times in MARS some stations would go off the air after checking in. The net control would do another check in at the end of the net to see who was still around. If you weren't there, you didn't get credit for the net. Do that too many times and they'd boot you. Fortunately most of the members were serious about it and there was very little nonsense.
They did deeper on RACES background checks in Texas than they do in background checks for CHL background checks. Had a friend who was arrested for theft back in the early 90's, was released and the charges were dropped within 10 minutes of being booked...it was removed from the computer files but never from the paper files that got sent of to the State. The kicker, he already had his CHL but had to get a judge to officially re-rule the case dismissed (nearly 25 years later). |