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2/27/2014 10:56:06 PM EDT
There seems to be a lot of people trying to decide which HF radio to purchase lately.  I've started to compile a list of the most common radios recommended/purchased for a first HF radio. I'll expand the list and correct it as comments are made and I do more research on my own.


Company      Model           Bands                      Modes                Power              Price   Vend  Additional
Alinco      DX-SR8T        160m-10m               AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W(40W AM)           $520   H
Icom        IC-718         160m-10m               AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W(40W AM)           $599   H
Elecraft    KX3            160m-6m                Dig, AM, SSB, CW          10W                   $900   E     SDR
Kenwood     TS-480SAT      160m-6m                AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W(25W AM)           $925   M     Tuner
Kenwood     TS-480HX       160m-6m                AM, FM, SSB, CW          200W(50W AM)          $1050   M    
Icom         IC-7200       160m-6m                Dig, AM, SSB, CW         100W                   $890   H     USB for digital and rig control
Icom         IC-7100      160m-6m + 2m & 70cm     Dig, AM, FM, SSB, CW     100W                  $1430   H     D-Star on all bands, USB for digital and rig control
Yaesu        FT-857D      160m-6m + 2m & 70cm     AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W                   $820   H
Icom        IC-7000       160m-6m + 2m & 70cm     Dig, AM, FM, SSB, CW     100W (35W on 2m/70cm) $1080   H     NTSC video out

Vend is which vendor I got the price from.  Prices are as of 00:01hrs GMT-6 on 28 Feb 14
H=HRO
E=Elecraft
M=MTC
Y=YouKits

Modes, Dig = Digital.  

Everything else should be self explanatory.  If there's confusion let me know.

I've debated putting this into a Google Doc where it'll look prettier, but I really want the info visible in-line on this post.

I'll try to keep the OP updated.  I am aware there are many popular choices for starter HF radios I haven't listed yet, such as the Flex 1500.
2/27/2014 11:10:39 PM EDT
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Nice little chart. They can grow to crazy sizes very quickly, so be careful I have to do this myself with HT's for a local cert group so I'll be sure to post that here when I finish it.
2/27/2014 11:14:15 PM EDT
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All of the radios listed require a tuner in addition to the radio except the TS-480SAT.
The IC-718 is a 100W transmitter.

Thank you for the chart.

2/27/2014 11:25:23 PM EDT
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The IC-718 is a 100W transmitter.

Thank you for the chart.

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Thank you for the power on the 718.

According to MTC both the 480HX and 480SAT come with a built in tuner.

NM, got mixed up.
2/27/2014 11:26:02 PM EDT
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All of the radios listed require a tuner in addition to the radio except the TS-480SAT.
The IC-718 is a 100W transmitter.

Thank you for the chart.

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They don't require a tuner, it just makes it a lot easier. Also, your chart lists TS-480HX as having a built in tuner, it doe not.
2/27/2014 11:34:15 PM EDT
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Well I'm not going to bitch about it. I like it! Thanks for posting.






2/28/2014 12:49:33 AM EDT
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YW Scooter

Added IC-7100 and FT-857D

Planning on keeping the price under $1500 since this is aimed at new Generals looking for an HF radio.
2/28/2014 2:43:48 AM EDT
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IC-7000 ?
2/28/2014 3:28:55 AM EDT
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2/28/2014 3:41:11 AM EDT
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Don't know if you want to add, or care to, but I know the IC-7200 has a built in USB port for digital modes and rig control.
Not sure if the USB connection on the IC-7100 works in the same way or not.

Zach
2/28/2014 3:48:54 AM EDT
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Don't know if you want to add, or care to, but I know the IC-7200 has a built in USB port for digital modes and rig control.
Not sure if the USB connection on the IC-7100 works in the same way or not.

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It does, and that's a good point.

Also, doesn't the IC-7000 have a video out of some sort?  NTSC or RGB that you can hook to a display and show some info on?

Or am I thinking of something else?
2/28/2014 4:23:56 AM EDT
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The IC-718 only puts out 40W AM.
And:
RF Output TS-480SAT HF: SSB=100W, AM=25W
RF Output TS-480HX HF: SSB=200W, AM=50W
RF Output TS-480HX 6M: SSB=100W, AM=25W
2/28/2014 4:27:31 AM EDT
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You can get a TS-2000 less than $1500
2/28/2014 4:39:02 AM EDT
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It does indeed, NTSC via 1/8" jack.

2/28/2014 4:41:15 AM EDT
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No FM mode on the IC-7200 or the IC-718 rigs.
2/28/2014 5:02:37 AM EDT
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The IC-718 only puts out 40W AM.
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RF Output TS-480SAT HF: SSB=100W, AM=25W
RF Output TS-480HX HF: SSB=200W, AM=50W
RF Output TS-480HX 6M: SSB=100W, AM=25W
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The IC-718 only puts out 40W AM.
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RF Output TS-480SAT HF: SSB=100W, AM=25W
RF Output TS-480HX HF: SSB=200W, AM=50W
RF Output TS-480HX 6M: SSB=100W, AM=25W

Fixed.  Left the 6m alone due to space constraints.

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No FM mode on the IC-7200 or the IC-718 rigs.

Fixed
2/28/2014 5:11:08 AM EDT
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If you are going as high as $1500, don't forget the Yaesu FTDX 1200. A good rig though it lacks a USB port.  73, Rob
2/28/2014 6:05:00 AM EDT
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I would add FT857 as most compact mobile in the note section and add FT-897 and notes list as built in battery or power supply optional and attachable tuner capable for a grab and go configuration or man packable.





Also create twp columns, one to indicate remote head capable (as Y or N, or just an X) and another one for built in FRONT speaker,



That and add in KX3 notes that the microphone is additional cost at $???.00



 
2/28/2014 6:49:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Add Dig to FT897 and FT857

I'd also add to FT897 that bolt on tuner and power supply available.
2/28/2014 7:54:38 AM EDT
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Added IC-7100 and FT-857D

Planning on keeping the price under $1500 since this is aimed at new Generals looking for an HF radio.
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If the price point is under $1500 then there are a lot that fall into that range.  IC-7410 is one off the top of my head.
2/28/2014 7:58:43 AM EDT
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Well since the KX3 is on the list ..... Icom 703+

160-6
10W
SSB/CW/RTTY/FM/AM
Built-in tuner (I think this type of feature/option is very important)


And it always nice to know the 'typical' current drain

Current drain:
at 13.8V
Output Power SSB/CW/RTTY/FM 0.1-10W, AM 0.1-4W
Transmit High (typical) 3.0A, (at 10W)
Receive Max. Audio 1.2A
Stand-By - N/A

at 9.6V
Output Power SSB/CW/RTTY/FM 0.1-5W, AM 0.1-2W
Transmit 2.0A (at 5W)
Receive 450mA typ.
Stand-By - 300mA typ.
2/28/2014 8:21:17 AM EDT
[#21]
Cool

Kenwood ts-590's are now under $1500 too

Best bang for your buck IMHO
2/28/2014 8:21:57 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach
2/28/2014 8:26:56 AM EDT
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Ic7000 was officially discontinued last week. Definitely add the 897d
2/28/2014 8:59:38 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach
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Well since the KX3 is on the list ..... Icom 703+


I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach

bummer.  I thought it might be that kind of list lol.

Perhaps an Honorable Mention list right below
2/28/2014 9:05:01 AM EDT
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bummer.  I thought it might be that kind of list lol.

Perhaps an Honorable Mention list right below
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Well since the KX3 is on the list ..... Icom 703+


I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach

bummer.  I thought it might be that kind of list lol.

Perhaps an Honorable Mention list right below


A used list then?

Seems to be a lot of radios bought used. Could be a massive undertaking.
2/28/2014 9:06:37 AM EDT
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Well since the KX3 is on the list ..... Icom 703+


I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach

bummer.  I thought it might be that kind of list lol.

Perhaps an Honorable Mention list right below


A used list then?

Seems to be a lot of radios bought used. Could be a massive undertaking.

Perhaps ... there does seem to be the same models mentioned over and over, here and other forums.
2/28/2014 9:12:31 AM EDT
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A used list then?

Seems to be a lot of radios bought used. Could be a massive undertaking.

Perhaps ... there does seem to be the same models mentioned over and over, here and other forums.


Or at least a list of folks who own or have owned a particular radio who be open for Q&A.
2/28/2014 9:26:27 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, but I think he's trying to keep it confined to current production rigs.  I think the IC-7000 is considered discontinued (atleast according to Universal Radio)but quite a few stores are still stocking them.

Zach

bummer.  I thought it might be that kind of list lol.

Perhaps an Honorable Mention list right below


A used list then?

Seems to be a lot of radios bought used. Could be a massive undertaking.

Perhaps ... there does seem to be the same models mentioned over and over, here and other forums.


http://rigpix.com/
2/28/2014 12:31:50 PM EDT
[#29]
For the IC-7100:

HF - 2 to 100 W (AM:1 to 30W)
2M - 2 to 50 W
70cm - 2 to 35 W
2/28/2014 5:47:35 PM EDT
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Icom        IC-718         160m-10m               AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W(40W AM)           $599   H, Dual Conv Rx, Poor AF DSP

Icom         IC-7200       160m-6m                Dig, AM, SSB, CW         100W                   $890   H     USB for digital and rig control, Triple Conv Rx, Good IF DSP

Yaesu        FT-857D      160m-6m + 2m & 70cm     AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W                   $820   H, Dual Conv Rx, Poor AF DSP


Also, the FT-897 is electronically a close to the FT-857D, so all comments about the 857D apply to the 897D as well.

Edited:  No FM on 718.
2/28/2014 6:46:43 PM EDT
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Icom        IC-718         160m-10m               AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W(40W AM)           $599   H, Dual Conv Rx, Poor AF DSP

Icom         IC-7200       160m-6m                Dig, AM, SSB, CW         100W                   $890   H     USB for digital and rig control, Triple Conv Rx, Good IF DSP

Yaesu        FT-857D      160m-6m + 2m & 70cm     AM, FM, SSB, CW          100W                   $820   H, Dual Conv Rx, Poor AF DSP


Also, the FT-897 is electronically a close to the FT-857D, so all comments about the 857D apply to the 897D as well.
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Except for the fact that the 897 is made to either have a bolt on PS or internal batteries and a bolt on tuner. The 857D was made to be a mobile rig.
4/8/2014 2:01:48 AM EDT
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I want to get back to this (aka *bump*) but have been busy on other projects.
4/8/2014 5:46:02 AM EDT
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I think my Christmas present to myself this year is going to be a TS-480SAT for the truck.  The tuner should make hamsticks more usable.  Slowly acquiring more gear.  Got a stakepocket mount already, and will pick up some hamsticks and drag the FT-450 out once in a while.  I'd contemplated making the 450 the truck radio, but I think it'll do fine on my desk and something with a removable head for the truck makes more sense.