Posted: 12/12/2013 4:42:10 PM EDT
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Gents,
so, after getting my Extra a month ago, on 11/29 i sent an application in for a vanity call. on this application, i placed a number of calls, in ranked order, as is normal. in my particular application, i marked down 3 calls in order of preference (AC4A, KF4T, AC4X in my case). my question is: do the ranking in which i placed them affect my probability, vs. the other applicants, for that particular call?. i.e., if i don't get my #1 choice, & am then competing for my #2 choice, am i at a disadvantage compared to those who ranked my #2 choice as their #1 choice? or do i still have an equally random chance at #2 (or #3, if i don't get my #2)? |
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This is an interesting one with all three of your choices having a competition, and all became available on the same day. The thing that jumps out in my head is that you can't necessarily count on them processing the call signs in the order you have them as your preference, because another applicant might have two of them in a different preference order.
Sorry to not be able to provide an answer, but I can really see how preference balancing between applicants could be troublesome. I would love to know how they do that. |
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that's kind of the main thing i don't understand. if i have KF4T as preference #2, am i at a disadvantage vs those who put KF4T as Preference #1? or do we all stand the same chance, since we all applied the same date?
from "radioqth.net" here's what i chose, w/ the competition included (there was a guy who applied 12/02 for a couple, but he's behind all those from 11/29, so he's out; also 1 guy didn't pay on time, so he's out of the running for those he ranked): AC4A: 5 (including me) ranking it #1, one ranking it #2 = 6 TOTAL KF4T: 1 ranking it #1 (but shows his status as "NW4K" instead of P$  ), 1 ranking #2 (me); 1 ranking it #3 = 3 TOTAL
AC4X: 2 ranking it #1, 3 ranking it #2, 2 (including me) ranking it #3 = 7 TOTAL so if all are on the same date, & we have an equal chance, irrespective of our relative rankings of those calls, do i have a 1/6 + 1/3 + 1/7 chance (i.e. 27/42 chance), or are the guys in the #2 & #3 spots knocked of the running by the guys competing within the number 1 slot? am confused. can't find the answer to this on radioqth.net or ae7q.com. have registered for the forums @ ae7q.com, but awaiting my confirmation. ETA: fraction adding error 
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This is an interesting one with all three of your choices having a competition, and all became available on the same day. The thing that jumps out in my head is that you can't necessarily count on them processing the call signs in the order you have them as your preference, because another applicant might have two of them in a different preference order. Sorry to not be able to provide an answer, but I can really see how preference balancing between applicants could be troublesome. I would love to know how they do that. |
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when he says first-come/first-served it's literally just that. Consider that one application is processed at a time. If #1 is available, you get it. If not, repeat with the rest of your preferences in order. Once your app is done being processed, they move to the next one.
There isn't any fancy algorithm trying to satisfy the most number of applicants. |
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when he says first-come/first-served it's literally just that. Consider that one application is processed at a time. If #1 is available, you get it. If not, repeat with the rest of your preferences in order. Once your app is done being processed, they move to the next one. There isn't any fancy algorithm trying to satisfy the most number of applicants. The difference here is that for all three of the call signs he listed as a preference, multiple people applied for them on the same day, being the day they became available. So, it is a competition for each one instead of a first come first served. |
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The difference here is that for all three of the call signs he listed as a preference, multiple people applied for them on the same day, being the day they became available. So, it is a competition for each one instead of a first come first served. Quoted:
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when he says first-come/first-served it's literally just that. Consider that one application is processed at a time. If #1 is available, you get it. If not, repeat with the rest of your preferences in order. Once your app is done being processed, they move to the next one. There isn't any fancy algorithm trying to satisfy the most number of applicants. The difference here is that for all three of the call signs he listed as a preference, multiple people applied for them on the same day, being the day they became available. So, it is a competition for each one instead of a first come first served. It is still first come, first served. Which ever one hit the system first gets processed first, second goes next, etc. |
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a life-long ham here in town decided he wanted a new call, a 1x2 or 2x1...after about 2 years of fighting and clawing...he gave up and went for a NN4__ __ call.
Apparently there are some guys in 4 land that go back and forth on calls and keep what few short calls that could become avail tied up...Lids! anyways, I wanna upgrade and maybe go for a 2x2....or fly off to another land..... |
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It is still first come, first served. Which ever one hit the system first gets processed first, second goes next, etc. Quoted:
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when he says first-come/first-served it's literally just that. Consider that one application is processed at a time. If #1 is available, you get it. If not, repeat with the rest of your preferences in order. Once your app is done being processed, they move to the next one. There isn't any fancy algorithm trying to satisfy the most number of applicants. The difference here is that for all three of the call signs he listed as a preference, multiple people applied for them on the same day, being the day they became available. So, it is a competition for each one instead of a first come first served. It is still first come, first served. Which ever one hit the system first gets processed first, second goes next, etc. My understanding is different for applications received the same day. From the FCC site: "Applications for vanity call sign requests, as well as other types of applications, are processed in receipt date order only, thus the time of delivery within that receipt date has no bearing on the order of processing within that receipt date. An application filed at 12:01 a.m. has the same processing priority as an application received at 11:59 p.m. that same day." Also, from AE7Q's vanity call sign site: "It does not matter what time of day you file, so long as AT THE EXACT TIME OF FILING, the FCC Universal Licensing System shows you hold the proper class of operator license appropriate to the callsign(s) you are applying for. Except for duplicate applications (which will be dismissed), vanity applications with the same receipt date will be processed in a random order, WITHOUT REGARD TO CONTENT, ORDER, TIME OF FILING, OR ANY OTHER FACTOR (see ULS Vanity Callsign Filing Procedures Vanity Callsign Filing Procedures). Note that the practice of filing duplicate (multiple same-day) applications from the same applicant, in order to increase the chances of being granted a desireable callsign, has long been considered to be an unfair practice by most of the amateur community, and is now a violation of US Title 47 CFR §97.19(d)(1)." |
I stand corrected. Doesn't make much sense, but it would eliminate the competition from folks trying to hit 'submit' right after midnight. Maybe I was expecting too much from a government organization. I should know better, there is too much other arbitrary nonsense it would fit right in. 
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yeah, like Frostbite said up above, all applications received same day are processed randomly, doesn't matter time of day of receipt. i thought it did at the time i put mine in, & am actually the one who put his in earliest (did it right @ MN, after cleaning up from Thanksgiving dinner). i can see mine has the earliest application File #. however, earliest isn't firstest. 
so my confusion still stands a bit. guess i'll find out on the 16th or the 17th, on the batch process date. i am trying to tilt the randomness of the process in my favor, though; being in S FL, hired both a Voodoo practitioner & a Santero to make a sacrifice/roll dem bones for me. figured i'd cover multiple bases, deity-wise.
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It is still first come, first served. Which ever one hit the system first gets processed first, second goes next, etc. |
congrats, bro. 
have actually been holding off on registering for Echolink/IRLP, until i get my new call, since i didn't know how to deal w/ the hassle of changing registration w/ Echolink. is it easy to do? same reason i don't have QSL cards yet. waiting/uncertainty is a pain.
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My list was one. The call had been available for 3 years. Got it today. I put in 11-24. |
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Quoted: congrats, bro. have actually been holding off on registering for Echolink/IRLP, until i get my new call, since i didn't know how to deal w/ the hassle of changing registration w/ Echolink. is it easy to do? Ya, just wait till AFTER your new call shows up in the fcc data base then give it a couple of days for QRZ.com to catch up. After that just go to your "Set-up" button in Echolink and click change call. Pretty simple. |
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looks like i have received a definitive answer, from the guy at ae7q.com:
"The applications are processed in a random order. Once your application comes up for processing, the priority order you specified is applied to picking the first (then) available callsign." looks like some of the responders here were on the right track as well. thanks for the responses, all. now, we wait... 
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