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10/18/2013 12:23:05 PM EDT
i got a used radio and noticed that on a few repeaters I had trouble getting in even though they were not much further out the others i had no trouble with.  A friend has a watt meter.  As it turns out, I'm able to transmit at full power except when transmitting on 144.xx.  All repeaters that had an input frequency of 144.xx only shows about 1/3 the power on the watt meter.  Is it normal to be able to transmit at full power except for a certain frequency range?
10/18/2013 12:41:24 PM EDT
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When programming in repeaters, the memory for each takes freq, tones, and other settings.  They can also be programmed for power levels.  So look everything carefully, perhaps this is the case.

When you transmit observe the display.  Doe the power setting indication on the display indicate Low, or Mid, or some other tag to show lower power?
10/18/2013 12:44:24 PM EDT
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That was my first thought as well.  I reprogrammed the repeater on high power and it did the same.  I then entered the input frequency while not in memory mode and the watt meter still only measured about 15 watts.
10/18/2013 12:47:49 PM EDT
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Just for argument's sake, did you measure it on simplex on a 144.xxx freq?
10/18/2013 12:49:01 PM EDT
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Check the SWR of the antenna on that frequency. Your radio may be reducing power.
10/18/2013 12:55:55 PM EDT
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Just for argument's sake, did you measure it on simplex on a 144.xxx freq?
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sort of i guess.  I had the tone set so i should have been able to make it in the repeater.  My friend had his HT tuned to the output frequency.
10/18/2013 12:57:11 PM EDT
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I don't have a meter and the one i was using left with my friend.  I'll check it when i get a chance.
10/18/2013 1:09:49 PM EDT
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at 144.xx you are pretty low in the band, it could be High SWR or the radio is tuned higher up in the band

I have the opposite issue with my transverter since it is purposely tuned for the low end of the band
and it rolls off in power on the top of the band
10/18/2013 1:34:24 PM EDT
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Really the only way to be sure is to use a meter into a dummy load, taking the antenna out of the picture.
10/18/2013 2:41:31 PM EDT
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What kind of antenna do you have? I also think SWR is the issue in that part of the band. I flubbed a yagi antenna build and had the same problem.
10/18/2013 4:38:03 PM EDT
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What kind of antenna do you have? I also think SWR is the issue in that part of the band. I flubbed a yagi antenna build and had the same problem.
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The antenna is a dual band j-pole i got from Ed Fong WB6IQN off of Ebay
10/18/2013 4:56:12 PM EDT
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What rig?
10/19/2013 3:13:12 AM EDT
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FT-7100r
10/19/2013 7:38:15 AM EDT
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Once you eliminate the antenna as a culprit it could be the VHF final?
10/19/2013 5:48:53 PM EDT
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That's what i was afraid of.  The radio still operates fine otherwise so for what i paid, i can't complain.

If it is the final, will it get worse over time?
10/19/2013 7:08:02 PM EDT
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That's what i was afraid of.  The radio still operates fine otherwise so for what i paid, i can't complain.

If it is the final, will it get worse over time?
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Once you eliminate the antenna as a culprit it could be the VHF final?


That's what i was afraid of.  The radio still operates fine otherwise so for what i paid, i can't complain.

If it is the final, will it get worse over time?



It is the fold back, the antenna is nor really wide banded. Also as you begin the reach the band edges the radio will not show as much power out. It has to do with the band pass filters, and you will loose some of the power due to heat in the inductors. When a final gets weak, it will be consistent across the board. Normally band pass filters will not cause that much of a reduction in power. The only way to be sure is to put the radio into a dummy load with the power meter on it. More than likely it is just the antenna. They work great, but not real wide banded/
10/19/2013 7:43:22 PM EDT
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It is the fold back, the antenna is nor really wide banded. Also as you begin the reach the band edges the radio will not show as much power out. It has to do with the band pass filters, and you will loose some of the power due to heat in the inductors. When a final gets weak, it will be consistent across the board. Normally band pass filters will not cause that much of a reduction in power. The only way to be sure is to put the radio into a dummy load with the power meter on it. More than likely it is just the antenna. They work great, but not real wide banded/
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Once you eliminate the antenna as a culprit it could be the VHF final?


That's what i was afraid of.  The radio still operates fine otherwise so for what i paid, i can't complain.

If it is the final, will it get worse over time?



It is the fold back, the antenna is nor really wide banded. Also as you begin the reach the band edges the radio will not show as much power out. It has to do with the band pass filters, and you will loose some of the power due to heat in the inductors. When a final gets weak, it will be consistent across the board. Normally band pass filters will not cause that much of a reduction in power. The only way to be sure is to put the radio into a dummy load with the power meter on it. More than likely it is just the antenna. They work great, but not real wide banded/


Very good info.  Thanks.
10/21/2013 2:55:08 PM EDT
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It is the fold back, the antenna is nor really wide banded. Also as you begin the reach the band edges the radio will not show as much power out. It has to do with the band pass filters, and you will loose some of the power due to heat in the inductors. When a final gets weak, it will be consistent across the board. Normally band pass filters will not cause that much of a reduction in power. The only way to be sure is to put the radio into a dummy load with the power meter on it. More than likely it is just the antenna. They work great, but not real wide banded/
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Once you eliminate the antenna as a culprit it could be the VHF final?


That's what i was afraid of.  The radio still operates fine otherwise so for what i paid, i can't complain.

If it is the final, will it get worse over time?



It is the fold back, the antenna is nor really wide banded. Also as you begin the reach the band edges the radio will not show as much power out. It has to do with the band pass filters, and you will loose some of the power due to heat in the inductors. When a final gets weak, it will be consistent across the board. Normally band pass filters will not cause that much of a reduction in power. The only way to be sure is to put the radio into a dummy load with the power meter on it. More than likely it is just the antenna. They work great, but not real wide banded/


It was the antenna.  I got my hands on a dual band antenna and was able to transmit at full power on the lower part of the band.