Posted: 11/19/2008 9:30:57 PM EDT
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Let see if I can ask this and have somebody help me....
I have had my ticket since 1983. I took my Novice test with 5 words a min code. Then I upgrades to technician later the same year. In 1988 I renewed my license and my ticket showed me as a tech plus. In 2000 I renewed my license and now the license shows technician. I have been talking to a few people and we all have come to the conclusions that I have General class privileges since they have changed the code requirement. Way back in 1983 when I took the test for tech it was also the written test for general. (side note I took the test at the FCC Field office. No VE back then) Now how would somebody like me get my license changed to show the right class? A ULS search will show the above dates. |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. I looked him up on the ULS, shows his Novice, and Tech Plus. So back in the day.. We know he got his Novice. Tech Plus. So the question is When the Tech Plus was dropped, did they go General, or lose band use, and be dropped down to the tech level? |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. But he did not pass the code (13wpm) test within one year, making the certificate of completion for the written worthless. |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. But he did not pass the code (13wpm) test within one year, making the certificate of completion for the written worthless. The thing is... Was there not a Tech plus (with the code), and a No-code Tech? His ULS shows Tech Plus, and he says he took and passed the General written. |
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The Tech Plus guys took the General, and if they did not pass a 13 wpm code test, they stay tech. if they pass they go General.. If they do not take the 13 WPM code test, they drop back down to Tech. Am I tracking? If that is the case, Seems like they got screw'd after the dropping of the Tech Plus, and Advanced class's |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. But he did not pass the code (13wpm) test within one year, making the certificate of completion for the written worthless. The thing is... Was there not a Tech plus (with the code), and a No-code Tech? His ULS shows Tech Plus, and he says he took and passed the General written. Boy this really REALLY makes me feel old... WWWWWAAAAAYYYYYY back in the summer of 1983 (25 YEARS ago) I tool and past the TECH/GEN WRITTEN tests. This was BEFORE the TECH plus, BEFORE VEs. U am grandfathered in since I had already taken the gen test. In march of 1987 the FCC stared the no code tech ticket. So what I have to do is find a VE that understands that I am a PRE 1987 tech. That understands I have already Taken the Gen written test (was part of the tech test back then also before 2000 all I had to do was the 13 WPM to become a gen) and in 2000 the FCC dropped the code requirements. Since I am a PRE 1987 tech I am grandfathered to gen. Now I have to prove I has my tech ticket and one way is to find an old call book form like 1985 or 1986. I will be in there. If anybody had an old call book please let me know. |
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I think that you are going to have to retest. Some hams petitioned the FCC about moving Tech Plus ops up to General and Advanced ops up to Extra when the Amatuer licensing was restructured, but it was denied.
Since the band plan for HF is somewhat different today versus 1983 and there are new modes of operation, it is best to go ahead and study, then retest. This is probably the FCC's thinking on the petition. Its funny how back in the days of Morse, I had friends that wanted a license but didn't want to learn the code. Today, the same guys aren't hams with the excuse that "you mean you still have to take a test?" I used to try to have a class at the squad building, but after twice starting out with 12 people and getting to zero on the third week, I quit doing it because the worn out excuse of "something came up" doesn't fly anymore. You make time to do what you want (or have) to do. The last time someone asked, I said yes, by all means. But it will cost you $50.00 per person refundable when you sit down at the VEC for the test. So far there are no takers, so the rats have indeed been smelled out. I would be more than happy to freely elmer someone really interested in the hobby, but no more people wasting my time. RS |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. But he did not pass the code (13wpm) test within one year, making the certificate of completion for the written worthless. The thing is... Was there not a Tech plus (with the code), and a No-code Tech? His ULS shows Tech Plus, and he says he took and passed the General written. Tech Plus = Novice written + Tech written + 5 wpm code test. In order for the General written to have counted, he had to pass the 13 wpm code test within 1 year of passing the written. |
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Well, considering the certificates you get when you test are only good for 1 year... that is the correct answer. The thing is, he already took, and passed the General written test. But he did not pass the code (13wpm) test within one year, making the certificate of completion for the written worthless. The thing is... Was there not a Tech plus (with the code), and a No-code Tech? His ULS shows Tech Plus, and he says he took and passed the General written. Tech Plus = Novice written + Tech written + 5 wpm code test. In order for the General written to have counted, he had to pass the 13 wpm code test within 1 year of passing the written. You don't understand... PRE or BEFORE 1987 there was no Tech plus... BEFORE 1987 Novice = Novice written test + 5 WPM Tech = Tech/GEN written test Gen = 13 WPM |
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This is from the ARRL site.
I got my Technician license prior to March 21, 1987. What happens to my license?
A. You actually could have already taken that license and proof that you had the Technician license before that date to a volunteer examiner (VE) test session, paid the test session fee and already enjoying General privileges. This latest R&O doesn't change anything in this regard. This is based on the fact that before that date, the only difference between the Technician and General class licenses was the Morse code speed; the theory exams were identical. Starting March 21, 1987, the Technician and General class license exams no longer were the same, so the "grandfather" rule doesn't apply for Technician licenses issued after March 21, 1987. Proof that you held the license prior to March 21, 1987, could be a copy of your old Technician license or the page from the amateur Call Book showing your license class as Technician). So you are correct if you had a Technician license before the date specified. RS |
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This is from the ARRL site. I got my Technician license prior to March 21, 1987. What happens to my license?
A. You actually could have already taken that license and proof that you had the Technician license before that date to a volunteer examiner (VE) test session, paid the test session fee and already enjoying General privileges. This latest R&O doesn't change anything in this regard. This is based on the fact that before that date, the only difference between the Technician and General class licenses was the Morse code speed; the theory exams were identical. Starting March 21, 1987, the Technician and General class license exams no longer were the same, so the "grandfather" rule doesn't apply for Technician licenses issued after March 21, 1987. Proof that you held the license prior to March 21, 1987, could be a copy of your old Technician license or the page from the amateur Call Book showing your license class as Technician). So you are correct if you had a Technician license before the date specified. RS Thank you so much for that... I have been trying to tell people this but they can't get thire heads around the pre 1987 stuff. Now with that said... is there any body out there with a copy of a 1984, 1985 or 1986 call book? I don't think I have my first ticket anymore and come to think about it I may heve sent that in when I renewed in 1988 |
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This is from the ARRL site. I got my Technician license prior to March 21, 1987. What happens to my license?
A. You actually could have already taken that license and proof that you had the Technician license before that date to a volunteer examiner (VE) test session, paid the test session fee and already enjoying General privileges. This latest R&O doesn't change anything in this regard. This is based on the fact that before that date, the only difference between the Technician and General class licenses was the Morse code speed; the theory exams were identical. Starting March 21, 1987, the Technician and General class license exams no longer were the same, so the "grandfather" rule doesn't apply for Technician licenses issued after March 21, 1987. Proof that you held the license prior to March 21, 1987, could be a copy of your old Technician license or the page from the amateur Call Book showing your license class as Technician). So you are correct if you had a Technician license before the date specified. RS Thank you so much for that... I have been trying to tell people this but they can't get thire heads around the pre 1987 stuff. Now with that said... is there any body out there with a copy of a 1984, 1985 or 1986 call book? I don't think I have my first ticket anymore and come to think about it I may heve sent that in when I renewed in 1988 So If we find a callbook, and goto the next session all you have to do is plunk down your money, prove you had your lic, and you should be good to go when the paperwork is processed. I guess you better go get a chunk of cardboard so you can panhandle the $14.00 out infront of the local Walmart. 
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Drive down here to East Texas and prove that you were a pre- 3/21/87 tech and I will make sure we get you upgraded to General. 
Note you do not have General class privileges till you get this fixed and it shows General in the ULS> Spanky is now on a 2 hour drive to get this taken care of. It took some doing, but we got copys of the callbook, and the rest of his paperwork.
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Drive down here to East Texas and prove that you were a pre- 3/21/87 tech and I will make sure we get you upgraded to General.
Note you do not have General class privileges till you get this fixed and it shows General in the ULS> Spanky is now on a 2 hour drive to get this taken care of. It took some doing, but we got copys of the callbook, and the rest of his paperwork.
You know I was a slightly off when I posted that. He would have general priviledges as a temporary/AG once he had the CSCE in hand. |