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11/20/2008 9:08:47 AM EDT
I've tried a few recipes for Italian bread that I've found on the net. I use a bread machine to knead the bread, but let it rise on a cookie sheet then bake it on a pizza stone with a pan of steaming water on the bottom of the oven. My latest recipe is:

   * 3   cups unbleached all-purpose flour
   * 2   Tablespoon light brown sugar
   * 2   teaspoons sugar
   * 1   cup warm water
   * 1/2 teaspoons salt
   * 2   tablespoons olive oil
   * 1   (.25 ounce) package active dry yeast

   Bake at 375F for 25-35 minutes.

Now for the problem. During the first 5 minutes of baking, the bread tends to spread out, so rather than getting a loaf of bread, you end up with a pillow of bread. It spreads out to a thickness of about 2 inches. This has happened with all the Italian bread recipes I've tried, not just the one listed above. They just don't want to maintain their shape.

I've tried baking it in a pan, but you just don't get the right crust. Anyone have any suggestions?
11/20/2008 10:06:01 AM EDT
[#1]
are you shaping the dough out of the bowl into a "mound or ball"
how are you handleing it after the first proof?
11/20/2008 10:29:34 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
are you shaping the dough out of the bowl into a "mound or ball"
how are you handleing it after the first proof?


Hi Chef. Thanks for replying.

For the 1st proof, I let it rise in the bread machine. When done, I dump it out, punch it down, form it into a ball, cover and let it rest for 15 minutes. I then form it into a loaf and let it rise in a warm spot until it doubles in size.

I then put it in the oven at 375F to bake until it sounds hollow.



11/20/2008 12:06:31 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you shaping the dough out of the bowl into a "mound or ball"
how are you handleing it after the first proof?


Hi Chef. Thanks for replying.

For the 1st proof, I let it rise in the bread machine. When done, I dump it out, punch it down, form it into a ball, cover and let it rest for 15 minutes. I then form it into a loaf and let it rise in a warm spot until it doubles in size.

I then put it in the oven at 375F to bake until it sounds hollow.





ok, 2 things to try..

1, when your forming the loaf, kneed it more than you are and then ROLL it into a tight ball for second proof..I think all you need to do is massage it a bit more and roll it tighter for final proof
by rolling I mean fold it into its self from the bottom, pulling up then packind down, then forming into a ball.
you should get a "tougher" Crumb (soft stuff on inside)meaning it has a slight "snap" to it when you pull it from the Crust (outside)

2 if that isnt it, you need a third proof,,
A mix, proof, punch, roll,
B punch, roll tight, proof
C punch, Roll tight, proof,
D bake

let me know, Please?

CHEF
11/20/2008 2:46:56 PM EDT
[#4]
After reading some of your responses on your other thread, I was beginning to think it had something to do with the rolling/kneading. I'll try it again, hopefully this weekend, and let you know.  

Again, thanks!
11/21/2008 6:24:40 AM EDT
[#5]



I tried to think of the best way to describe your second kneading
in rolling and kneeding the dough, the best way I can describe it is

trying to stuff an upside turtle with its own shell. pull up from underneath and push down into the center.

hope that gives you a visual..

CHEF
11/21/2008 6:31:12 AM EDT
[#6]
And try a standing mixer with a dough hook rather than a bread machine.  This will improve the bread's structure and gluten formation. The bread machine is just not a strong enough machine to really do the trick.


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