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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:36:10 PM EDT
Florida is hot, humid and wet. The Army Rangers train down here for tropical and jungle missions. I want a good boot that can keep up and not fall apart. I mostly plan on just hiking or hunting with them but want them to be bug out worthy.
I can find Chinese ripoffs of Vietnam era boots all over. They might be fine but don't want to find out the hard way they are made out of low grade Chinesium. Other suggestions are welcome. I haven't done too much outdoors here in FL and don't want to get myself hurt or killed because I didn't know what is common knowledge. |
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Florida is hot, humid and wet. The Army Rangers train down here for tropical and jungle missions. I want a good boot that can keep up and not fall apart. I mostly plan on just hiking or hunting with them but want them to be bug out worthy. I can find Chinese ripoffs of Vietnam era boots all over. They might be fine but don't want to find out the hard way they are made out of low grade Chinesium. Other suggestions are welcome. I haven't done too much outdoors here in FL and don't want to get myself hurt or killed because I didn't know what is common knowledge. View Quote That said, for $35 or so, every 6 months isn't that bad of a deal. If you are on the fence a bit about wanting jungle boots, it's not always a bad idea to get the cheap ones. |
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What size?
I have a pair of "lightly" used 9R or 10R (I will verify if interested) that I don't wear anymore. $50 +whatever shipping is. Contact me via e-mail |
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Have you looked at Palladium boots? not exactly Jungle boots but they get good reviews. I haven't tried them yet but plan to in a few months.
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If you can find the original green jungle boots with Panama soles, those are best IMO because they came with a woven plastic insole that helped with ventilation and had no lining. When I got out the black speed lace boots were still around, those had a padded insole that was more comfortable but soaked up water like a sponge and took forever to dry. The boots themselves may have been lined, or that may have been the pair of Rockys I had at some time. Either way, when the lining gets wet it holds onto your sock and your foot moves inside the sock. It doesn't take a vivid imagination to see where THAT will lead.
Also, if you get the old style with eyelets instead of speed laces, skip the eyelet where the front of your leg joins your foot. If you don't it'll flex inward and painfully poke your foot. |
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Have you looked at Palladium boots? not exactly Jungle boots but they get good reviews. I haven't tried them yet but plan to in a few months. Linky Thingy View Quote |
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Palladium boots were French Army issue in...........Indo-China
I have two pair of their boots and one pair of their shoes. They are incredibly long lasting. I've been wearing them for years now with zero issues. Just replace the laces with 550 cord and go. Very light, comfortable and much better than the cheap Chinese 'Nambats that would last 6 months and fall apart. highly recommended (only negative I have seen is the color fades.....so keep that in mind) |
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Bates makes a boot called the Recondo. I just bought a pair, but haven't tried them out yet. They are about 8" tall, but the upper is lightweight fabric with no ankle support, but they are light. I'm concerned about the ankle support and running through the woods. The sole is more like a running shoe with a high arch. I wore the old Nam boots when I was young, but I need more sole support these days.
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New Balance OTB are a good boot. Very light weight. I didn't have any problem running or doing PT with them.
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If you can find the original green jungle boots with Panama soles, those are best IMO because they came with a woven plastic insole that helped with ventilation View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
If you can find the original green jungle boots with Panama soles, those are best IMO because they came with a woven plastic insole that helped with ventilation 1942, fused layers of original-specification Saran or PVDC were used to make woven mesh ventilating insoles for newly developed jungle or tropical combat boots made of rubber and canvas.[1][2][3] These insoles were tested by experimental Army units in jungle exercises in Panama, Venezuela, and other countries, where they were found to increase the flow of dry outside air to the insole and base of the foot, reducing blisters and tropical ulcers.[2][3] The Saran ventilating mesh insole was later adopted by the United States Army for standard issue in its M-1945 and M-1966 Jungle Boots.[1][2]
After the end of the Vietnam War[sic], the U.S. military phased out Saran insoles in favor of Poron®, a microcellular urethane, for its jungle and combat boots.[2] However, the British Army continues to use Saran insoles in its combat boots, primarily because of its insulating properties.[10] http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/2008/10/jungle-boots-gear-for-tropical-rainforest/ |
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Have you looked at Palladium boots? not exactly Jungle boots but they get good reviews. I haven't tried them yet but plan to in a few months. Linky Thingy View Quote Unfortunately in my opinion they run narrow, I had to go from a 13 to a 14 to get a pair that fit in terms of width. I've never had to do that in any other shoe or boot. If you have a wider foot it might be a concern. |
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Last ones I had were the Bellevilles. I know tactical Research makes them too.
If you want the traditional green with Panama Lugs then Wellco or Altamas. |
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That is a Saran insole, you can still find them surplus from both the British and Dutch armies. See also: http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/2008/10/jungle-boots-gear-for-tropical-rainforest/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you can find the original green jungle boots with Panama soles, those are best IMO because they came with a woven plastic insole that helped with ventilation 1942, fused layers of original-specification Saran or PVDC were used to make woven mesh ventilating insoles for newly developed jungle or tropical combat boots made of rubber and canvas.[1][2][3] These insoles were tested by experimental Army units in jungle exercises in Panama, Venezuela, and other countries, where they were found to increase the flow of dry outside air to the insole and base of the foot, reducing blisters and tropical ulcers.[2][3] The Saran ventilating mesh insole was later adopted by the United States Army for standard issue in its M-1945 and M-1966 Jungle Boots.[1][2]
After the end of the Vietnam War[sic], the U.S. military phased out Saran insoles in favor of Poron®, a microcellular urethane, for its jungle and combat boots.[2] However, the British Army continues to use Saran insoles in its combat boots, primarily because of its insulating properties.[10] http://www.my-rainforest-adventures.com/2008/10/jungle-boots-gear-for-tropical-rainforest/ I think the worst insoles were the ones that came in the new-style 'cruit boots from around 1987, they were made out of what looked like linoleum and when they got wet and stayed wet they split and delaminated. Ain't progress grand? |
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I just saw that Salomon has a pair of hot-weather jungle boots...knowing their quality, they should be a good option.
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Florida is hot, humid and wet. The Army Rangers train down here for tropical and jungle missions. I want a good boot that can keep up and not fall apart. I mostly plan on just hiking or hunting with them but want them to be bug out worthy. I can find Chinese ripoffs of Vietnam era boots all over. They might be fine but don't want to find out the hard way they are made out of low grade Chinesium. Other suggestions are welcome. I haven't done too much outdoors here in FL and don't want to get myself hurt or killed because I didn't know what is common knowledge. View Quote I would get snake boots instead. Danner makes one that walks like a tennis shoe. |
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Snake boots have been a consideration of mine. I'm just not sure how much of an issue snakes are.
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I'm a big fan of the Palladium boots. Have several pairs. Only issue is the soles have a nearly mystical ability to capture gravel from my driveway. Have to stop and dig several rocks out every time I walk across it.
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The Army’s New Jungle Boot
The Army's latest version of what will become the Jungle Combat Boot. Photo: Matthew Cox, Military.com Belleville Boot Company and Rocky Boots were selected in December to supply the Army with about 36,700 pairs of newly-designed Jungle Combat Boots as part of a direct requirement effort to select and field jungle boots to infantry soldiers to wear in the hot, tropical terrain of the Pacific theater. The Army is redesigning its new jungle boot after soldiers told the service it needs improving. POSTED BY: MATTHEW COX AUGUST 9, 2017 Army uniform officials are preparing to test five new jungle boot designs after soldiers in Hawaii told them the new Jungle Combat design needs improving. The Army fielded 9,000 pairs of its newly-designed jungle combat boots between March and August to the 25th Infantry Division’s 2nd and 3rd Brigade Combat teams. “Initial soldier feedback on the jungle boot was ‘hey thanks for the boot; this is great. Can we maybe make it a little bit lighter, a little bit lower profile and a little bit more flexible? So we said ‘absolutely,’” Capt. Daniel Ferenczy, assistant product manager for Extreme Weather Clothing and Footwear, said. https://kitup.military.com/2017/08/jungle-boot.html In April of 2017, the Army issued a request for information to boot manufactures, for new jungle boot designs. The Army issued contracts to Altama, Bates, Belville, Mcrae, and Rocky boot makers to submit 200 pairs of their prototype boots for testing, Ferenzcy said. “Each vendor is a little different … they are much improved, but they aren’t radically different” from the current Jungle Combat Boot design, Ferenzcy said. In all cases the sole is thinner and the each features a lower profile outsole and midsole, Ferenzcy said. |
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I have solomon ultra jungle boots. I went with my size and I think they are correct. I agree they need a good break in period. I submerged mine in hot water and wore them all day until they dried before they started getting acceptably comfortable. Since then I did a 50-mile hike on the PCT, summited a 10,000foot mountain and have used them as my everyday footwear since last spring. I would recommend them for hot weather.
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Altama jungle boots. I have a few pair and have used them jungle hiking for days. They hold up real well, I am kinda surprised. Give them a call about sizing first, since their sizes aren't the same as other shoes.
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Altima
Jungle PX 10.5" 315506 Olive Drab http://www.altama.com/usa_en/product-jungle-px-olive-drab.html |
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The low grade Chinesium ones last about 6 months in WI. (With the soles wearing out.) They also smell like volatile chemicals for several weeks out of the box, so open them and throw them in the garage for a while. That said, for $35 or so, every 6 months isn't that bad of a deal. If you are on the fence a bit about wanting jungle boots, it's not always a bad idea to get the cheap ones. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Florida is hot, humid and wet. The Army Rangers train down here for tropical and jungle missions. I want a good boot that can keep up and not fall apart. I mostly plan on just hiking or hunting with them but want them to be bug out worthy. I can find Chinese ripoffs of Vietnam era boots all over. They might be fine but don't want to find out the hard way they are made out of low grade Chinesium. Other suggestions are welcome. I haven't done too much outdoors here in FL and don't want to get myself hurt or killed because I didn't know what is common knowledge. That said, for $35 or so, every 6 months isn't that bad of a deal. If you are on the fence a bit about wanting jungle boots, it's not always a bad idea to get the cheap ones. |
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My input.
I've debated going back to a jungle boot. But honestly. Down here..if your wet..your wet. Wade through 1 inch of water..vented jungles get your feet wet..where a typical boot wont..rain Your wet .after a rain. Yup. Wet. The key is a shoe /boot. That even wet dries fast. Socks that dry fast as well. What I hike in is a compromise. Keen targhee2s. My combat boot is the Belleville 790s iirc. Black lace to toe and black. Cordora sides. Goretex. Problem is..your dry....good to go. But they aren't light. And once soaked through. Aka dunked in a river over your head. They don't dry fast. Imho. A mid height trail runner would be great. Dry fast..good traction..light...etc. But that isn't cool...lol. Down here you have to think of all terrain. It can go from mud.. tho sand..to swamp..to thick snag tear everything scrub. |
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BTW, in the very unlikely event one runs across Original USGI Jungle boots, IOW, genuine Vietnam era boots, the later boots had a light brown/yellow thin cardboard placard attached to the boot-lace which not only included instructions, but also told the user that the later-made boots were "Spike-Protective".. Presumably some sort of barrier was molded into the sole of the boot in order to defeat pungi stakes and such.
If one does happen across an unmolested set of original USGI Vietnam era jungle boots, the best thing to do is to sell them to a collector on the internet, as they are so old that wearing them is probably an invitation to premature failure. The original Jungle boots were intended to be worn with special, woven, nylon, SARAN insoles which would allow water to drain out, and allow the user's socks to also press-out water so it could be drained. With such a self-draining insole, the user could get boots entirely wet/filled with water, and easily drain water, and ventilate bottom of feet. Images of Saran Jungle boot insoles Here I have yet to see this essential piece of gear anywhere, and so I assume it is no longer available. That's too bad, as that simple insole was an essential part of the jungle boot system, and is a BIG part of what made it work, as originally configured. From personal experience, I can safely say that Saran Insoles DO break down over use, and quite likely, with time on the shelf. I have doubts that buying a plastic product, considered at manufacture as an expendable item, will last long at this point in time. In short, the Saran Jungle boot insole helped greatly in draining one's boots, and keeping one's feet from rotting. Not the first time effective GI equipment was "dumbed-down" due to cost-cutting. Probably not the last, either. |
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I've got a set of original BATA Jungle Boots what are supposed to have the steel shank to "prevent" Punji stake impalement...
They have been great boots that I've worn hunting over the years (before Gore-tex boots were a thing)... You get them wet, and they dry out pretty quick, especially if you are walking... I wish I could find the insoles. size 14 is hard to find! |
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I would think that a truly modern pair of Jungle boots would include NO leather (water retention/rotting/fungus trap) and a modern update of the essential Saran insoles. Maybe the reinforcing heavy nylon would actually go over the user's ankle bones, instead of just missing it as in the originals, and later boots. I understand the need to reinforce the boots, but surely the heavy nylon webbing reinforcements just might be placed so that the user's ankles were protected by same.
I don't want to seem like a fanatic, but without the Saran-type insoles, any sort of Jungle Boot simply does NOT work as it was originally intended. In fact, the boot does not work worth a damn. As someone who has worn these boots with and without Saran-type insoles, the with/without makes all the difference in the world. Absent Saran-type insoles, my choice would be another style of boots altogether. I think that if I was allowed to do so by "higher authority", I would be better off wearing a very good quality sandal. Which alternative, the US Military never, ever considered. Our opponents in Vietnam seemed to find such foot gear economical and effective. |
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I was in the same boat as you a few months ago had to get a lightweight boot that would be good in the Texas desert! Did a lot of searching read a lot of reviews and bought a pair of Garmont T8 Link they have been great so far did not have any break in time kept my feet cool even on the hikes. I read a lot of military guys reviews on these boots and they all love them.
One problem I have found might not be a problem for you but the inserts in these are thin and to me worthless. Bought online and the size was correct for me 9.5W. |
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View Quote They make camouflage,,earth tone ones. Vibram soles,,thick foot beds etc. Basically think good boot meets sandals. They aren't cheap. 80-150-$ But you shop around you can find them. I got mine for 50$ |
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In 1986, 15 years after the end of US involvement in the Vietnam War, my 'cruit boots issued to me in basic training had the Saran insoles. Maybe the gov't just had a few million pairs of them in warehouses that needed to be used up. In fact, I don't recall ever getting anything but the Saran insoles in jungle boots for as long as the MCSS carried them. The black speed lace jungle boots had the padded insoles,and while they were more comfy for marching on pavement when they got wet they stayed wet. I think the worst insoles were the ones that came in the new-style 'cruit boots from around 1987, they were made out of what looked like linoleum and when they got wet and stayed wet they split and delaminated. Ain't progress grand? View Quote here is one guy I bough from, looks like mostly XN or other odd sizes now: https://www.ebay.com/usr/camo173 |
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I have yet to see this essential piece of gear anywhere, and so I assume it is no longer available. View Quote |
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BTW, in the very unlikely event one runs across Original USGI Jungle boots, IOW, genuine Vietnam era boots, the later boots had a light brown/yellow thin cardboard placard attached to the boot-lace which not only included instructions, but also told the user that the later-made boots were "Spike-Protective".. Presumably some sort of barrier was molded into the sole of the boot in order to defeat pungi stakes and such. View Quote I was issued two pair (IIRC) in boot camp in 1988 and was my preferred boot until we switched to the desert boots for good. |
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Florida is hot, humid and wet. The Army Rangers train down here for tropical and jungle missions. I want a good boot that can keep up and not fall apart. I mostly plan on just hiking or hunting with them but want them to be bug out worthy. I can find Chinese ripoffs of Vietnam era boots all over. They might be fine but don't want to find out the hard way they are made out of low grade Chinesium. Other suggestions are welcome. I haven't done too much outdoors here in FL and don't want to get myself hurt or killed because I didn't know what is common knowledge. View Quote Classic jungle boots and those mesh insoles are terrible....don't do that and don't overthink it. Just buy whatever keen/merrill/salomon/lowa you can find at REI that are rated for hot weather. There is a reason civilian hiking stores don't sell classic jungle boots any more... They'll all fall apart pretty quick under those conditions... lots of the two things that kill boots quickest: moisture and grit. best find something with more synthetic parts that dries fast. Rot sets in too fast with real leather or suede unless you treat it so much it doesn't breathe any more. North Florida swamp never leaves a boot once it's been there for a while...As far as longevitity/durability in civilian boots worst to best: merrill, keen, salomon, lowa. Issue type boots are probably between salomon and lowa but more prone to blisters. Asolo and Danner are in there too on the high end. Asolo lasts much better than danner, but I don't think either makes many hot/wet weather boots and wouldn't waste either on the swamps. If you're going a long way or moving fast, something light and more running shoe-like is better so your feet aren't chewed up. I'd go Salomon XA or XR. 4D or Asolo Fugitive if cold weather/less swamp. Maybe replace the insoles with something less absorbent or just change socks and wring out the factory insoles when you are out of the water. At least change socks and dry a second pair while walking. Immersion foot or trench foot is no fun. Invest in some quality synthetic or wool blend boot socks and foot powder. |
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Chaco's. They make camouflage,,earth tone ones. Vibram soles,,thick foot beds etc. Basically think good boot meets sandals. They aren't cheap. 80-150-$ But you shop around you can find them. I got mine for 50$ View Quote Crazy good deals on shoes/boots. |
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Classic jungle boots and those mesh insoles are terrible....don't do that and don't overthink it. Just buy whatever keen/merrill/salomon/lowa you can find at REI that are rated for hot weather. There is a reason civilian hiking stores don't sell classic jungle boots any more... View Quote I'm with Protus though. If you're in a perpetually wet environment, you want footwear that will drain and dry fast. Paired with a good pair of sandals built for hiking, you can do an awful lot while protecting your feet but still allowing your feet to dry or your boots to dry. Extra wool socks are the key to moisture management over the long haul. I've worn Chaco's, Tevas, and even some barefoot sandal designs hiking from Central Texas in the summer, to the FL swamps, Appalachian Trail, Glacier National Park, and the Amazon headwater jungles in Ecuador. There's always a little risk involved, but one you get over the mental fear of "naked feet", and you get your feet toughed up, it's surprising how much you can do and where you can go with a good pair of outdoors sandals. I'm convinced the open design of sandals is far better for your foot health than enclosed shoes/boots. While I do distance hikes with Salomon shoes, I put my sandals on whenever I get a chance and I've even hiked them for a few miles when it was raining hard. ROCK6 |
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I've been wearing jungle boots (pre and post panama sole)since I was a kid buying old NOS Vietnam boots out of surplus stores, through the Marines, and into when my last pair wore out a few years ago, so maybe like 19-20 years deep into them.
Best bet is Altama if you're hard for Vn style boot. Second place, Ro-search (now wellco) Third place, none. Any lightweight fast drying boot is a better choice. It's 2017 and as die hard of a jungle boot fan as I am, the modern tech boots have benefited from is undeniable. Lightweight fast drying shoes are even better than that unless you need the ankle support, or increased protection from getting stabbed by sticks or whatever you're tromping through. Good thing about shoes, you can carry a spare pair of light trail runners and still pack less weight than one pair of traditional boots. also, the yellow mesh USGI soles fucking suck, I've used then dragging ass through swamps, they don't keep your feet much drier if at all, and modern insoles are so much better for posture and stride. After using them awhile I just took them out and doubled up on socks and it worked better. WAY better, especially a synthetic sock liner under thin wool. ETA- whatever the black jungle boots we were issued in the Marines in 2000 were garbage, maybe they were rothco? or just 80's/ 90's cheap contract boots? |
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