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9/25/2016 7:48:40 PM EDT
Anyone happen to know what the current going rate for large and small ALS smoke happen to be ?
9/30/2016 9:42:56 PM EDT
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Where can they be bought I am looking for 3, One to test and 2 for just in case. They can not be found anywhere by any maker.
10/1/2016 2:13:57 PM EDT
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I occasionally see M18s and M83s at gun shows.  $50 seems to be the going rate.
10/1/2016 8:30:07 PM EDT
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Not sure how robust but Sport Smoke (targeted at Airsoft) has a decent reputation.  Prices are very reasonable; a dozen for around $150 (plus the HAZMAT shipping fee).  I just don't know how durable they are...

Tactical Smoke Grenade (TSG)

Of course, it has to have "tactical" for marketing purposes

Anybody have any experience with these?

ROCK6
10/1/2016 9:09:17 PM EDT
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Not sure how robust but Sport Smoke (targeted at Airsoft) has a decent reputation.  Prices are very reasonable; a dozen for around $150 (plus the HAZMAT shipping fee).  I just don't know how durable they are...

Tactical Smoke Grenade (TSG)

Of course, it has to have "tactical" for marketing purposes

Anybody have any experience with these?

ROCK6
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I bought a few to mess around with.  They seem to work pretty well.

My concern was also about durability after getting banged around.  Or possibly getting wet.  Thought I might try sealing a couple and see how they do.
10/1/2016 10:06:21 PM EDT
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What about these?

http://www.hustlepaintball.com/Enola-Gaye-Wire-Pull-Smoke-Grenade-Buy-10-Get-1-Free
10/2/2016 8:00:32 PM EDT
[#6]
If you're talking about a true Mk18-type ALS good luck. They are regulated ATF items due to the fuse.
10/2/2016 9:29:35 PM EDT
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I had a shit ton of the ALS.........got rid of mine........I heard as they get older the fuses go bad


Have played with the enola gay ones, they put out a good amount of smoke and are about the size of the small ALS........if you toss one in a house or a room your going to give someone a bad day lol.
10/3/2016 9:14:46 PM EDT
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I remember back in the 80's when M18's still sealed in the black cardboard tubes could be had all day long at gun shows for 5 bucks each any color.
I use to buy a bunch every July 4th.
The good old days.
10/7/2016 9:55:20 PM EDT
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Can someone run through scenarios of use? I just can't seem to justify it as an added item to stock up on.
10/7/2016 10:50:46 PM EDT
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At current prices, the scenario/cost basis is untenable for most. For $50+, money is better spent on other things IMO.
10/7/2016 11:15:45 PM EDT
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I bought a few to mess around with.  They seem to work pretty well.

My concern was also about durability after getting banged around.  Or possibly getting wet.  Thought I might try sealing a couple and see how they do.
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Not sure how robust but Sport Smoke (targeted at Airsoft) has a decent reputation.  Prices are very reasonable; a dozen for around $150 (plus the HAZMAT shipping fee).  I just don't know how durable they are...

Tactical Smoke Grenade (TSG)

Of course, it has to have "tactical" for marketing purposes

Anybody have any experience with these?

ROCK6


I bought a few to mess around with.  They seem to work pretty well.

My concern was also about durability after getting banged around.  Or possibly getting wet.  Thought I might try sealing a couple and see how they do.


Dip in wax for protection and waterproofing?
10/9/2016 2:14:28 AM EDT
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pull ring
big smoke
cheap

http://www.hustlepaintball.com/CGS-Smoke-Grenades-Cool-Burning-70000-cft-Boetta
10/9/2016 1:49:40 PM EDT
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Signaling and creating a screen.  For solo use or even a small patrol group, these just aid in breaking contract; if the threat can't see you or know if you're in position or bugging out, these just aid in getting a better break in contact.  They can also be used to mask or cover a flanking or maneuvering team...it sounds very "airsoft" like, but if you train with them, they do have value.  If patrolling your properly, popping smoke is a good signal for activating the QRF (if you have one).  Not an essential, just another tool that fits a specific niche if you train to use them.

ROCK6
11/18/2016 9:25:50 PM EDT
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Stored correcty I do not think this is so.
11/19/2016 4:43:36 PM EDT
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Probably wouldn't be bad to aid in breaking contact with a bunch of street rabble blocking the road.   Pop smoke and they might think gas n may clear long enough for you to drive thru.
We used to use it for spook trails too.   Spooky at night with some lights flashing thru it.  Good old days indeed when you could buy the real deal cheap.
11/20/2016 1:56:46 AM EDT
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I use to buy a bunch every July 4th.
The good old days.
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I bought one recently and paid $75.
11/20/2016 9:04:25 AM EDT
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What's wrong with the fuse ?
11/20/2016 6:44:06 PM EDT
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What's wrong with the fuse ?
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If you're talking about a true Mk18-type ALS good luck. They are regulated ATF items due to the fuse.

What's wrong with the fuse ?

can be repurposed for make an explosive grenade would be my guess
11/23/2016 10:46:52 PM EDT
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I use the enola gaye eg18x, a cap from a toy cap gun, some black match or visco, and a spent m18 body/fuse (luckily I saved my used ones from back in the day) to make a reload that functions pretty close.

https://youtu.be/QYz7JXC_hVw
11/24/2016 11:22:25 AM EDT
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some info....

https://www.atf.gov/file/4826/download
11/24/2016 2:21:42 PM EDT
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Can anyone translate.  All I read was some good descriptions of smoke bombs vs smoke grenades and fuse vs fuze..then some bla bla bla...and no definitive answer.

If they were "illegal" for civilian possession...would they not just say it in an easy to understand way?

11/29/2016 1:32:42 PM EDT
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I use the enola gaye eg18x, a cap from a toy cap gun, some black match or visco, and a spent m18 body/fuse (luckily I saved my used ones from back in the day) to make a reload that functions pretty close.

https://youtu.be/QYz7JXC_hVw
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Thats pretty impressive! Suprised the cap has enough spark to light the visco.
11/30/2016 9:29:07 PM EDT
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Thats pretty impressive! Suprised the cap has enough spark to light the visco.
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I use the enola gaye eg18x, a cap from a toy cap gun, some black match or visco, and a spent m18 body/fuse (luckily I saved my used ones from back in the day) to make a reload that functions pretty close.

https://youtu.be/QYz7JXC_hVw


Thats pretty impressive! Suprised the cap has enough spark to light the visco.


Thank you!

Make fresh cut with razorblade.  Then dip in NC laquer and then 4f black powder.  Make sure it is contacting the inside of the cap.

Or use some blackmatch at end of visco to take the spark from cap.

I experimented with small pistol primers and 209 primers.  But the caps work better with less noise and less pressure.  I found a brand that fits exactly in the fuze assembly.
12/5/2016 7:37:08 PM EDT
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Can anyone translate.  All I read was some good descriptions of smoke bombs vs smoke grenades and fuse vs fuze..then some bla bla bla...and no definitive answer.

If they were "illegal" for civilian possession...would they not just say it in an easy to understand way?
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Can anyone translate.  All I read was some good descriptions of smoke bombs vs smoke grenades and fuse vs fuze..then some bla bla bla...and no definitive answer.

If they were "illegal" for civilian possession...would they not just say it in an easy to understand way?



Basically a few years back they cracked down on selling devices to civilians that use a fuze, like an m201a1. That's about it.
12/6/2016 7:17:16 PM EDT
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12/6/2016 9:10:16 PM EDT
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Show off !
12/7/2016 3:22:31 PM EDT
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When I can :)  Sadly they were all used or lost at sea.
12/7/2016 3:39:48 PM EDT
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Basically a few years back they cracked down on selling devices to civilians that use a fuze, like an m201a1. That's about it.
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Can anyone translate.  All I read was some good descriptions of smoke bombs vs smoke grenades and fuse vs fuze..then some bla bla bla...and no definitive answer.

If they were "illegal" for civilian possession...would they not just say it in an easy to understand way?



Basically a few years back they cracked down on selling devices to civilians that use a fuze, like an m201a1. That's about it.


Need Trump's ATF to rescind that ruling.