Posted: 2/1/2009 9:57:41 AM EDT
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I did a search on quikclot and clot just to make sure this wasn't a duplicate post in this forum.
I got an email from LApolicegear.com about QuikClot that they have for sale. http://www.lapolicegear.com/quikclot.html I'm not sure if their prices are high/fair/low, but I thought I'd post a link anyways. I've read about it a few times and thought someone on here might be interested. |
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I'm not a medic, nor a Doctor, but I have read up a bit on Quik-Clot. It works as advertised, but unless you have some type of specialized training, I think it may hurt more than it helps. There are inherent dangers associated with Quik-Clot. However, there is another product out there, and from what I've read, it's much safer to use , and no special training is necessary. It's called Celox. It supposedly works the same, but with totally different ingredients.
I'm sure that there are medics and EMS personnel on this site that can add their insight, and it would be appreciated, I'm sure. Sorry for the ramble. Happy Trails! |
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I have read elsewhere that a number of EMS services that once stocked it in their vehicles have abandoned it, or will be when it expires simply because it is not getting any use.
It seems like other methods work better, or at least as well, and have fewer problems after the fact. It would appear the chances of actually needing it are so slim that your money might be better put into something else. |
| The new, cool temp Quik clot is better, Celox is better than than because it basically turns into a gel when it mixes with liquid, and the new Quik clot Combat Gauze is the best, IMHO. I haven't used any of this, but if the Army now issues combat gauze, it's good for me. It's basically kerlix with a cold temp quik clot embedded. Just pack, wrap, and go. |
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I think the old Quick clot worked by 'cauterizing the wound" wheres as Celox doesnt create heat but just clots the wound with its pellets. I bought a couple of packs of Celox, but havent used any of it. Price is abit cheaper than Quickclot as well. All of the Quick Clot and Celox products work by basically sucking the water out of blood leaving clotting agents behind in high concentrations. The old Quick Clot sucked the water out too fast with high heat being the byproduct. Quick Clot products are no more difficult to use than Celox. |
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I think the old Quick clot worked by 'cauterizing the wound" wheres as Celox doesnt create heat but just clots the wound with its pellets. I bought a couple of packs of Celox, but havent used any of it. Price is abit cheaper than Quickclot as well. All of the Quick Clot and Celox products work by basically sucking the water out of blood leaving clotting agents behind in high concentrations. The old Quick Clot sucked the water out too fast with high heat being the byproduct. Quick Clot products are no more difficult to use than Celox. Can you inadvertently dump on to much celox? Any hazard to leaving Celox on the wound for protracted periods of time? |
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I think the old Quick clot worked by 'cauterizing the wound" wheres as Celox doesnt create heat but just clots the wound with its pellets. I bought a couple of packs of Celox, but havent used any of it. Price is abit cheaper than Quickclot as well. All of the Quick Clot and Celox products work by basically sucking the water out of blood leaving clotting agents behind in high concentrations. The old Quick Clot sucked the water out too fast with high heat being the byproduct. Quick Clot products are no more difficult to use than Celox. Can you inadvertently dump on to much celox? Any hazard to leaving Celox on the wound for protracted periods of time? For the record - I have only been officially instructed on the use of Quick Clot. That said, the instruction also sold and instructed on the use of Celox. He said the use of them was basically the same. So after my long disclaimer, NO you can not put too much into the wound. The idea is to pour or pack (QC 1st Responder) the wound completely closed with the clotting agent. If the bleeding stops in the first 1/2 inch the rest of the product will just be removed when more advanced medical treatment is received. We were instructed to seek medical treatment ASAP after use. The products are sterile and do not produce heat, If medical treatment was not right around the corner prolonged use beats bleeding to death. If you check YouTube, and Celox and Quick Clot's website you will see everything you really need to know. If there is anyone with more knowledge please speak up! I have never used this in the field (thank God). |
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There has been a new round of problems with Hemostatic Agents namely WoundStat. WoundStat has been pulled from use by the Army for the time being for fear of a clot forming (where you do not want it). The fear is if you cut an artery and it requires a Hemostatic Agent to control the bleeding that there may be a vein severed close by and some of the agent could enter the blood stream through that vein and form a clot in the heart or brain. WoundStat is singled out because it is the only granular agent that is supposed to be in use by the Army based on TCCC guidelines. I would suspect that all granular agents would be of similar suspect for a similar clot event. That being said if you think about it your goal with hemostatic agents is to form a clot as fast as possible to control bleeding, what are the chances that part of that clot you just formed could break off and enter the blood stream the same way? I don't think there is a good answer on this yet. Just some food for thought.
I would look at Combat Gauze for your Hemostatic Agent. Combat Gauze is the first line choice for TCCC Guidelines for bleeding not ammenable by tourniquet use, WoundStat was the second line choice. I would not ditch your WoundStat if you have it because I would rather take a chance on the rare possibility of a clot forming than bleed out, but that's me. The EMS agency I am working for just added Combat Gauze and CAT's to the protocols because of the success of these tools. Look to Chinook Medical for good prices. I also just saw they have the new Celox Gauze available, more expensive than Combat Gauze though. Chinook Medical - Combat Gauze |
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The way I see it... if the bleeding is bad enough that you need to use Quik Clot... rather than the standard pressure/bandage/elevation/etc.... I would not worry too much about killing them with long-term exposure, because they otherwise would have bled out in a matter of minutes anyway. |
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The way I see it... if the bleeding is bad enough that you need to use Quik Clot... rather than the standard pressure/bandage/elevation/etc.... I would not worry too much about killing them with long-term exposure, because they otherwise would have bled out in a matter of minutes anyway. RIGHT ON |
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i have been a paramedic for some time now. If you are looking for a quick fix post apocalyptic no medical aid available but you, then quick clot is what you want. But if your looking for a stop bleeding bandage for temporary use until you reach the ER then go with traditional Gauze pads/ cling wrap.
Think of it this way. When you reach the ER with all that quick clot in the wound, the ER nurses will grab saline and sponges/brushes and scrub all that contamination out to see just what the extent of injury is and what direction to go. All contamination must go..forign objects in a open wound mean infection. Infections means loss of limbs or death. |