Posted: 4/28/2008 4:20:54 PM EDT
| Anyone know if there is a site supporter that sells quick clot and if not where is a source for the stuff, I would like to add to my kit. Thanks! |
| Most of the guys that are in the know (paramedics and such) say that the Celox is a better product as it does not have to be completely flushed from the wound upon further treatment. This is info that I have gleaned from other conversations on the subject here in the forums. It may be worth looking into more before you make a purchase... |
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For Celox there is the Cav Aid 2008 Medical Group Buy being done through www.thetacticalmedic.com For medical supplies I've been using Chinook Medical and been 100% satisfied. |
Most paramedics don't think much of any of the hemostatics. QC, Celox, etc should come well after dressings, pressure bandages, etc in budget, space and weight. I consider the stuff to be of nominal use altogether. |
Any thoughts on using the sponge versions over the granule versions as far as keping wounds clean and less contaminated??? Our cabelas here in N. idaho sells the quickclot in a fancy civilian package (silver, not green). Don't recall the prices, but seemed fair. |
Agreed. |
If I were choosing one over the other, I'd go with the sponges. They aren't supposed to have the exothermic reaction the granuals have. The thing is, you'll accomplish the same thing with a two buck surgipad, IMHO. Dispite what the sales hype surrounding this stuff trys to portray, bleeding can really be controled via conventional means. We carried traumadex on our rescues for a while, and ended up dropping it from inventory simply 'cause we were never using it. Chainsaw injuries, amputations, degloving farm injuries, yadda yadda... direct pressure works very well. I did use QC on another poster here, none, when he took the tip of his finger off. I had a free sample and was bored. He If you decide to carry it, don't let it take the place of conventional bleeding control in your mind. If you decide to use it, use it in conjunction with direct pressure. Direct pressure saves lives. I'll also note that I carry an Eagle medical pack that's stuffed to the gills with supplies. I carry H bandages, IV fluids, more dressings then you can shake a stick at, two TQs, wound irrigation stuff... I don't bother with any of the hemostatics. I really think they're a solution in search of a problem. |
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Damn I am starting to think that this needs a tack... Every few days someone wanting to know about QC and Tommy telling them the same thing Start with the basics! Quick Clot, Celox, Traumedex all that stuff is a last ditch thing after EVERYTHING else has failed! While there MAY be a few lives that have been saved due to its use likely or not there are a bunch who would have been fine without it but it was used because it was there and Hyped so much! Tommy why not start a thread with the why and why not and then get it tacked??? |
I guess that answers that question... Thanks for the info.  |
Absolutely. Sexy stuff like QC, Traumedex, etc makes people focus on the newness/coolness, and they forget the basics. The largest blood vessel in any extremity is about the size of a fat ball-point pen. If you can get your finger on it, you can stop it; there's almost no such thing as a non-compressible site in an extremity wound (and that's a huge chunk of the wounds we see in combat, with our increasingly-effective armoring of the head/torso). Direct pressure, scoop and run, get them to a surgeon. |
If we do a tacked thread, TGM should be the author. You have just a wee tad more education then I. (By about a factor of ten, I believe.) |
Perhaps in an academic sense... but I'd wager your pre-hospital experience exceeds mine by a similar factor. If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's to listen to people with lots of experience. A brand-spanking-new intern may know a hell of a lot more science than the 20-year-veteran ICU nurse... but she's got 20 years in the water... and the intern, despite his superior knowledge base, would do well to pay close attention when she says "I think this patient is going downhill... you should come look at him." (don't ask me how I know this...) The more experienced/BTDT viewpoints, the merrier, as far as I'm concerned. I'd be more than happy to collaborate with you on a stickied post about the topic. |
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I think QC and similar is a good thing to have available. You need to have a good clue when to use it and know that it is a last resort after direct pressure wont work. In fact the directions for QC say to use direct pressure first. You do need to realize that it will take a little time for a good wound to clot and not freak out over the blood loss. I get a good chuckle out of the guys that say use direct pressure and head for medical assistance.... but what happens when that ER is 4-6-8 hours or even a day or so away? What about when you are alone? One place I like to hunt has a road that floods on and off and you could be on the wrong side of the flood for 12 hours. I dont carry a complete surgical kit with me when I am out in the boonies... but you can do a lot with a few 2x2s, a roll of 3"Kling, a triangular bandage, an Israeli or equal bandage. A QC is nice to have available just in case.... I agree that a FAK should be more than a couple bandaids and QC.... and at the very least First Responder First Aid should be learned. |
Well there ya go! You all are off and running! I look forward to some evidence as to the use of QC etc. Damage done etc. Most folks are buying the stuff like it is a wonderdrug or cure for cancer! I was impressed with the video that QC had a few years back of a pig that they surgically severed the Femoral Artery, applied QC direct to the incision straight from the package and the bleeding stopped immediately they then rinsed the site with water, from a faucet, still no bleeding, like I say I was impressed until I started hearing about the exothermic reaction and damages done due to the heat. |
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it just so happens that I got an Email from LA Police Gear today... Turns out, unknown to me, that they have a pretty good selection of quik clot stuff. www.lapolicegear.com/qucoga.html
**ETA** it appears that quik clot has redesigned their product to create a much lower exothermic reaction... it says an average of 105F |