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Originally Posted By prebans: UPDATE AUG 20, 2024 Today I stopped to meet my concrete guy ($$,$$$.$$)  at one of the buildings. So what do my hungry tenants reject and leave languishing unwanted on the table for a full week?https://i.ibb.co/thk2KXW/IMG-2569.jpg Looks like this week they hit a mid-scale inner-ring suburbs for shopping help and donations. -“Food Life Balanced” brand Premium White Chicken and Beef Stew; -“Emmi” brand Fondue (price tag says reduced to $6.24, meaning it was probably $12 before hitting clearance); -More shelled walnuts plus a Cashew and Macadamia mix; -Del Monte brand canned goods; -And more; see photo above. The peanut butter is an unusual rejection. But as was explained to me by a passing tenant, “Dat shit ain’t no Skippy, man!” Lessons for us: 1. Just like fruits and vegetables, you can return to the same place (plant in your garden, etc.) for more and more. Don’t stop doing what works after just one time; some golden geese keep on giving! 2. If dat shit ain’t no Skippy, OUT it goes! Recognize brand snobs and use them to your advantage whenever possible. I would absolutely inhale that beef stew.... Made with some rice.  |
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Originally Posted By prebans: UPDATE AUG 20, 2024 Today I stopped to meet my concrete guy ($$,$$$.$$) at one of the buildings. So what do my hungry tenants reject and leave languishing unwanted on the table for a full week?https://i.ibb.co/thk2KXW/IMG-2569.jpg Looks like this week they hit a mid-scale inner-ring suburbs for shopping help and donations. -“Food Life Balanced” brand Premium White Chicken and Beef Stew; -“Emmi” brand Fondue (price tag says reduced to $6.24, meaning it was probably $12 before hitting clearance); -More shelled walnuts plus a Cashew and Macadamia mix; -Del Monte brand canned goods; -And more; see photo above. The peanut butter is an unusual rejection. But as was explained to me by a passing tenant, “Dat shit ain’t no Skippy, man!” Lessons for us: 1. Just like fruits and vegetables, you can return to the same place (plant in your garden, etc.) for more and more. Don’t stop doing what works after just one time; some golden geese keep on giving! 2. If dat shit ain’t no Skippy, OUT it goes! Recognize brand snobs and use them to your advantage whenever possible. that's the PB I get at ALDI 
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: This thread is sad. I’d eat all of that except the bran cereal. Should be a wake up call to the "kumbaya, everyone will be grateful to get my old MREs in my subdivision when SHTF" types. Learned that decade plus ago working with a homeless mission. While we were eating rice, beans and home grown rabbit at home, we were feeding homeless people better food and about 30% of them (or more) were a-holes about the food. |
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: This thread is sad. I’d eat all of that except the bran cereal. I'd eat it, but then I'm old and can use the extra fiber. @prebans any updates? |
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Originally Posted By prebans: UPDATE FROM AUG 06 AND AUG 20 BELOW IN THIS POST AND AT BOTTOM. I’ve mentioned before that I am a “blue collar to no collar” landlord. Recently I’ve seen signs of economic stress among my lower-end tenants. Now I’m seeing welfare boxes returning. These are boxes of donated food for some of my tenants. Various social services groups deliver them. I rarely see them when times are good. They get common when times get rougher. And, the same as during the recession, the tenants simply junk whatever they won’t eat. If it’s healthy or unfamiliar, out it goes. Thankfully I got the welfare box recipients to put it in the public “free give away” area. Usually only one or two items get taken, if that. I leave it for a week to give everybody a fair chance. It’s especially crazy when the wealthy limousine liberals make the boxes; it looks like they raided a Trader Joe’s or other yuppie boutique grocer for every possible vegetarian, gluten-free, no-cage, free-range, fair trade, organic food imaginable. And of course, the intended beneficiaries want nothing to do with any of it. But most months, like this one, it’s stuff from wherever with upside-down labels or small dents. Before anybody accuses me of “taking” free food away from welfare recipients, this was destined for the dumpster. The recipients themselves only dumped it on the “free to give away” table instead at my specific request. I am not encouraging, paying, or giving anything to them in exchange for abandoning their free food. Here’s what nobody wanted this month: https://i.ibb.co/kXgrgpC/IMG-2116.jpg https://i.ibb.co/W6B0rF9/IMG-2117.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hBt7CXd/IMG-2118.jpg https://i.ibb.co/cLn0p27/IMG-2119.jpg It’s one way to improve my emergency food stores, and the price (free) was right. What can you do with this info? 1. If you have connections in this world, find out if similar welfare boxes get delivered. If so, what happens to the stuff the recipients don’t want? Can you get in line for the rejects? 2. I’ve seen true hunger in Cuba, orchestrated by a government which actively decides which citizens are worthy of food. It speaks volumes that our “hungry” will just dump around 30 lbs of food. UPDATE AUG 06, 2024 A couple more boxes got delivered on Sunday. These weren’t counted above. The rejects hit the discard table. Today I caught someone bagging things up. “There ain’t be no room (left on the free table); I throw this shit out for you Mr. Prebans.” So I thanked them for their hard work but said that I’ll take it from there. Here’s what was headed to the dumpster. If I wasn’t there to let in pest control for nuclear treatment (a tenant who moved out left behind cockroaches  ), this would have hit the dumpster without me knowing.https://i.ibb.co/gWsTZhQ/IMG-2204.jpg For those keeping score at home, here’s about 10-12 days of rejects destined for the trash. https://i.ibb.co/fQ2xFpY/IMG-2205.jpg Even Jewel the Poodle is excited to see this food get saved. https://i.ibb.co/1s2vmxN/IMG-2203.jpg UPDATE AUG 20, 2024 Today I stopped to meet my concrete guy ($$,$$$.$$) at one of the buildings. So what do my hungry tenants reject and leave languishing unwanted on the table for a full week?https://i.ibb.co/thk2KXW/IMG-2569.jpg Looks like this week they hit a mid-scale inner-ring suburbs for shopping help and donations. -“Food Life Balanced” brand Premium White Chicken and Beef Stew; -“Emmi” brand Fondue (price tag says reduced to $6.24, meaning it was probably $12 before hitting clearance); -More shelled walnuts plus a Cashew and Macadamia mix; -Del Monte brand canned goods; -And more; see photo above. The peanut butter is an unusual rejection. But as was explained to me by a passing tenant, “Dat shit ain’t no Skippy, man!” Lessons for us: 1. Just like fruits and vegetables, you can return to the same place (plant in your garden, etc.) for more and more. Don’t stop doing what works after just one time; some golden geese keep on giving! 2. If dat shit ain’t no Skippy, OUT it goes! Recognize brand snobs and use them to your advantage whenever possible. The poor people have a fondu set? Seriously?!?! I make 100k a year and I don’t have a fondu set… |
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2: The poor people have a fondu set? Seriously?!?! I make 100k a year and I don’t have a fondu set… I kind of wondered about that. But it’s the mentality / mindset of the donors. But separately, I do need to update this. Been a marked turn of events lately. |
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A year or two ago, youngest was in high school track , and I’d sit in the parking lot to pick her up. They had lunch bags to go, sandwich with meat and cheese, a fruit, a juice, a milk, a cookie….not generic, but brands, like rice krispy treats, Lenny-Larry chocolate chip cookies, horizon shelf stable milk, apples and oranges the size of baseballs. I’d see high end vehicles pull up and grab the bags, sometimes they’d stop at dumpster and throw out whatever they didn’t want, also kids would come out and rat fuck the bags as well, and just to show their appreciation, start tossing the fruit or milk cartons at each other. Growing up in a big family, where ‘seconds’ weren’t an option, I saw that as sacrilegious! |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: Human nature. The Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years. They ate manna from heaven. They complained about it. They complained about food from heaven. No seasonings or salsa. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: No seasonings or salsa. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Ewald: Human nature. The Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years. They ate manna from heaven. They complained about it. They complained about food from heaven. No seasonings or salsa. And no shelf life. |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: Human nature. The Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years. They ate manna from heaven. They complained about it. They complained about food from heaven. Unbelievable, isn't it? And when they did, God gave them QUAIL! Flightless quail, no less. I bring up this fact every quail season. "If they were good enough for God's chosen people, I'm doing God's work by hunting them." 
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Can we take it as a lesson? Rice and lentils both store well and can keep you alive, but they grow wearisome. Numbers 11: 5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick: 6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes. A small herb garden aside the main garden takes little space. In an apartment, you could even use just a few pots to grow some. Garlic & onions grow most anywhere, salt stores indefinitely and is very inexpensive. There are lots of ways to fancy up a basic meal. It's not just that food tastes better, it makes you feel better and forget some of the misery that you (and others) might be in. Herbs grow easy, dry easy, and store easy. They have been used as trade goods for as long as people have traded with each other. Some of the earliest recorded trade routes in the middle east traded spices. They have value. |
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Whoops! Didn’t see I was being paged.  The cut in benefits is hitting unevenly. Those will have been gaming the system and have an undeclared side racket are doing okay to fine, though with some belt tightening. The honest ones who are (truly) too disabled to work, too sickly, etc., are screwed. Section 8 and other housing benefit programs are still paying, so anybody on the dole is still covered. But those who are actually trying to work are getting hit hard with layoffs, store closings, etc. Basically, the grifters are okay while the honest ones are getting screwed. I’m suddenly getting more inquiries asking if I have side work available. My rental delinquencies are WAY up. Most of the food distribution programs get some sort of government money. I’m seeing less food being delivered in the boxes, when they do come at all. People are still picky, though less than they have been. One added strain is that a large national pharmacy chain store closed down. The tenants I know to be good shoplifters are suddenly in trouble. I’m sure they’ll find another place, but this one closed because they got stolen out of business as per the assistant manager I spoke with just before closing. I’ve overheard conversations about switching to Dollar Tree and similar because Walmart’s “getting expensive.” Cigarette and cigarillo butts are getting less common and the brands are cheapening. I’m also seeing the return of scroungers who pick up butts, remove any unburnt tobacco, and eventually roll themselves a cigarette on used tobacco using random paper or whatever. (Junk mail envelopes are popular for this.) Loosie sales are back. (Someone buys a pack and resells individual cigarettes.) Empty glass booze bottles are getting rarer. I’m seeing more plastic ones and more small “airplane” bottles.) Those who have done time are in demand for selling pruno. One guy held a class and got $20 a head to show how he makes it. Pruno is sold in whatever plastic bottles are available, so suddenly those are in demand. (Used mouthwash bottle, used booze bottles, used milk jugs, etc.) Heroin got too expensive for my one junkie, so she did the smart thing and switched to crack with fentanyl. I’m grateful she’s moving out soon. My dancers are starting to do “in-call side work.” I absolutely loathe that because the men and women they bring onto the properties are always absolute garbage. Some of the other women are doing weaves, braids, nails, etc., on the stoop in lawn chairs with popcorn bowls or whatever for basins. It’s almost all labor so these unlicensed beauticians do well. Cars are going without repairs or the repairs are getting “creative.” Those with basic skills are in demand. Payment is ALWAYS up front. Auto parts theft is a major problem in this area. While some are honest, I’m hearing others complaining about discovering their side mirrors, bumpers, or whatever stolen. Overall litter is down because less people have money for Church’s Chicken, McDonalds, etc. Their days of high cotton and hitting Red Lobster and Golden Corral are just memories. It’s similar to what I remember during the better times in 2007-2012. Not the bottom, but headed there. |
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Lessons? This is just like any of us but at lower levels. If you obey all the rules, the system is set up to screw you. But if you go too far, you’ll get slapped down hard. The trick is finding a happy medium where you don’t get noticed. That includes participation in the underground economy, even if your good or service is lawful. Know things. Have skills. Be handy. Learn to hustle. Find a need and fill it. Guard your stuff. People can’t steal what they don’t see or can’t find. Don’t be afraid to switch vendors or to substitute products when and if necessary. Don’t be an addict. Don’t shit where you eat (like my dancers). Always be ready to pivot if circumstances dictate. And not mentioned… A good spouse or SO is worth their weight in gold. Being on your own can be okay. Having a bad spouse or SO condemns you to being WAY behind. |
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Very fascinating thread and especially the update. Sad that some of the non addicts can hustle and make cash but clearly can’t manage money to pull themselves up out of the ghetto over time. I find the underground economy/barter to be fascinating (and useful). Gene Logsdon (RIP) has a book called Money Saving Secrets that has a chapter or more on barter. Very good to know how to barter and it’s realistically impossible to tax and regulate. Good comments on having skills. I believe skills and tools are extremely important but especially in hard times. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/gene-logsdons-moneysaving-secrets-a-treasury-of-salvaging-bargaining-recycling-and-scavenging-techniques_gene-logsdon/515623/#edition=3782727&idiq=5029850 |
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Thanks for the updates, I am not seeing much of anything different in my rural area. Skilled tradesman are still weeks out, and there are labor intensive jobs available, but few willing to work those jobs. |
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It has been a while since I updated. Two drinking holidays, Memorial Day and the Fourth of July, have come and gone. The TL;DR is that it’s not all good in the ‘hood. Benefits are cut. Emergency need benefits got slaughtered. This means food stamps are still around while emergency eviction prevention funds are rare. There’s still money in the big city but inner ring suburbs don’t count for anything any more. This is a marked change when the county got about $100,000,000.00 or so in 2020 to prevent evictions. Tenants are going from “There always be money for us” to “Oh $&@?!” seemingly overnight. Side work inquiries and “Uh, rent’s gonna be late” are daily calls now. Public food distribution is down. Private is still out there but strained because the people who aren’t getting anything from the public are quickly coming for help. The Memorial Day Weekend ralph count was six or eight. This is half of normal. The Fourth of July weekend ralph count is ONE. The weekend’s not over and Saturday night is an hour away, but that’s beyond low. I actually saw tenants SHARING a 40. Haven’t seen that in forever; you’ve got to be in rough shape when a 40 is still less than three bucks. Cigarette butts are rarer. I’m seeing a lot of burned filters, meaning that every last shred of tobacco is smoked before the butt is discarded. Brands went from Marlboro to Montego and Checkers. One of my older tenants is charging a nickel a cig to roll for others where you supply your own papers and tobacco. Or you can buy his stuff and he charges .25 cents each. Nobody brings their own stuff. Not sure how much he’s making, but I guarantee he’s unlicensed. He always seems to have a line too and isn’t picky about age; very popular with the junior high through high school aged. Some of my addicts went clean by economic necessity. There was a two or three week period where 2/3 of my addicts all suddenly went through withdrawal at once. It’s like everybody went from zero to bitchy and twitchy overnight. A few needed a trip to county for detox. The dancers are going full bore into their “incall” work. This is causing all the headaches it has always caused. I don’t care if they do “outcall” business, but don’t bring the $&@?! johns on site. Of course, it’s always the same. They’re scared of safety going to the john’s place and motels charge too much for 20-30 min of work. And my response is always the same too; the motel is still cheaper than an eviction. Turning to more legit work, lots are selling stuff on FB Marketplace. Yes, some to lots of it is probably stolen. Still, they’re out there hustling and moving goods. Mobile mechanics are doing well, especially if their skills are more than basic. I’ve got one guy who used a rusty file he found on the ground to smooth a claw hammer he found in a ditch. Despite the questionable tool, he’s actually pretty good at removing hail damage. He’d be great at a body shop with legit tools, but he has too many child support liens to work in anything but cash on the side. The weave women are doing okay. Good or bad economy, women want to look good. It used to be that Red Lobster was fancy eating out. Now a bucket of off-brand fried chicken is a sign of a wedding or (more likely) a funeral. It’s not 2007, but it’s a lot closer than just three months ago. Lessons? Don’t count on government to save you. Those of you who prep booze and smokes for addicts should know that eventually even addicts are forced to get clean. You have a rapidly closing window of value. How rapid depends on your clientele. Have skills. Have machines and tools too. The ability to barter and work in cash defeats government’s best efforts to corral you. Always have a backup plan. |
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Originally Posted By prebans: It has been a while since I updated. Two drinking holidays, Memorial Day and the Fourth of July, have come and gone. What’s the word from the ‘hood? Benefits are cut. Emergency need benefits got slaughtered. This means food stamps are still around while emergency eviction prevention funds are rare. There’s still money in the big city but inner ring suburbs don’t count for anything any more. This is a marked change when the county got about $100,000,000.00 or so in 2020 to prevent evictions. Tenants are going from “There always be money for us” to “Oh $&@?!” seemingly overnight. Side work inquiries and “Uh, rent’s gonna be late” are daily things now. Public food distribution is down. Private is still out there but strained because the people who aren’t getting anything from the public are quickly coming for help. The Memorial Day Weekend ralph count was six or eight. This is half of normal. The Fourth of July weekend ralph count is ONE. The weekend’s not over and Saturday night is an hour away, but that’s beyond low. I actually saw tenants SHARING a 40. Haven’t seen that in forever; you’ve got to be in rough shape when a 40 is still less than three bucks. Cigarette butts are rarer. I’m seeing a lot of burned filters, meaning that every last shred of tobacco is smoked before the butt is discarded. Brands went from Marlboro to Montego and Checkers. One of my older tenants is charging a nickel a cig to roll for others where you supply your own papers and tobacco. Or you can buy his stuff and he charges .25 cents each. Nobody brings their own stuff. Not sure how much he’s making, but I guarantee he’s unlicensed. He always seems to have a line too and isn’t picky about age; very popular with the junior high through high school aged. Some of my addicts are clean by economic necessity. There was a two or three week period where 2/3 of my addicts all suddenly went through withdrawal at once. It’s like everybody went from zero to bitchy and twitchy overnight. A few needed a trip to county for detox. The dancers are going full bore into their “incall” work. This is causing all the headaches it has always caused. I don’t care if they do “outcall” business, but don’t bring the $&@?! johns on site. Of course, it’s always the same. They’re scared of safety going to the john’s place and motels charge too much for 20-30 min of work. And my response is always the same; the motel is still cheaper than an eviction. Turning to more legit work, lots are selling stuff on FB Marketplace. Yes, some to lots of it is stolen. Still, they’re out there hustling and moving goods. Mobile mechanics are doing well, especially if their skills are more than basic. I’ve got one guy who used a rusty file he found on the ground to smooth a claw hammer he found in a ditch. Despite the questionable tool, he’s actually pretty good at removing hail damage. He’d be great at a body shop with legit tools, but he has too many child support liens to work in anything but cash on the side. The weave women are doing okay. Good or bad economy, women want to look good. It used to be that Red Lobster was fancy eating out. Now a bucket of off-brand fried chicken is a sign of a wedding or (more likely) a funeral. It’s not 2007, but it’s a lot closer than just three months ago. Lessons? Don’t count on government to save you. Those of you who prep booze and smokes for addicts should know that eventually even addicts are forced to get clean. You have a rapidly closing window of value. Have skills. The ability to barter and work in cash defeats government. Always have a backup plan. OST. |
| Thank you for the updates. It is always instructive to see the situation (and their responses) of your people from your perspective. |
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Originally Posted By lumper: Thank you for the updates. It is always instructive to see the situation (and their responses) of your people from your perspective. I have a really weird (warped) view of the world because of how long I’ve done this and for what tenant base. You can learn a lot, but there’s a high signal to noise ratio if you’re not careful. The bottom line is that the lower end isn’t doing well. We don’t think much about it, but the poor drop ridiculous amounts of money. That will begin trickling up as the employees, managers, and owners of those businesses cut spending in response. |
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| Interesting updates. Thanks for keeping the thread alive with info. |
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Originally Posted By prebans: It has been a while since I updated. Two drinking holidays, Memorial Day and the Fourth of July, have come and gone. The TL;DR is that it’s not all good in the ‘hood. Benefits are cut. Emergency need benefits got slaughtered. This means food stamps are still around while emergency eviction prevention funds are rare. There’s still money in the big city but inner ring suburbs don’t count for anything any more. This is a marked change when the county got about $100,000,000.00 or so in 2020 to prevent evictions. Tenants are going from “There always be money for us” to “Oh $&@?!” seemingly overnight. Side work inquiries and “Uh, rent’s gonna be late” are daily calls now. Public food distribution is down. Private is still out there but strained because the people who aren’t getting anything from the public are quickly coming for help. The Memorial Day Weekend ralph count was six or eight. This is half of normal. The Fourth of July weekend ralph count is ONE. The weekend’s not over and Saturday night is an hour away, but that’s beyond low. I actually saw tenants SHARING a 40. Haven’t seen that in forever; you’ve got to be in rough shape when a 40 is still less than three bucks. Cigarette butts are rarer. I’m seeing a lot of burned filters, meaning that every last shred of tobacco is smoked before the butt is discarded. Brands went from Marlboro to Montego and Checkers. One of my older tenants is charging a nickel a cig to roll for others where you supply your own papers and tobacco. Or you can buy his stuff and he charges .25 cents each. Nobody brings their own stuff. Not sure how much he’s making, but I guarantee he’s unlicensed. He always seems to have a line too and isn’t picky about age; very popular with the junior high through high school aged. Some of my addicts went clean by economic necessity. There was a two or three week period where 2/3 of my addicts all suddenly went through withdrawal at once. It’s like everybody went from zero to bitchy and twitchy overnight. A few needed a trip to county for detox. The dancers are going full bore into their “incall” work. This is causing all the headaches it has always caused. I don’t care if they do “outcall” business, but don’t bring the $&@?! johns on site. Of course, it’s always the same. They’re scared of safety going to the john’s place and motels charge too much for 20-30 min of work. And my response is always the same too; the motel is still cheaper than an eviction. Turning to more legit work, lots are selling stuff on FB Marketplace. Yes, some to lots of it is probably stolen. Still, they’re out there hustling and moving goods. Mobile mechanics are doing well, especially if their skills are more than basic. I’ve got one guy who used a rusty file he found on the ground to smooth a claw hammer he found in a ditch. Despite the questionable tool, he’s actually pretty good at removing hail damage. He’d be great at a body shop with legit tools, but he has too many child support liens to work in anything but cash on the side. The weave women are doing okay. Good or bad economy, women want to look good. It used to be that Red Lobster was fancy eating out. Now a bucket of off-brand fried chicken is a sign of a wedding or (more likely) a funeral. It’s not 2007, but it’s a lot closer than just three months ago. Lessons? Don’t count on government to save you. Those of you who prep booze and smokes for addicts should know that eventually even addicts are forced to get clean. You have a rapidly closing window of value. How rapid depends on your clientele. Have skills. Have machines and tools too. The ability to barter and work in cash defeats government’s best efforts to corral you. Always have a backup plan. Fascinating post. Especially the chemical abuse impacts. Very much the opposite of expectation. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Fascinating post. Especially the chemical abuse impacts. Very much the opposite of expectation. I’ve seen Arfcommers joke that “$20 is $20.” But when faced with the prospect of heading to the gaytto and sucking dick, those who aren’t truly cooked start reevaluating their life choices. Or they do it once and find their rock bottom leading to recovery. The HARD crack, heroin, and coke addicts will do anything for their next high. But they’re more likely to do a burglary or robbery and end up UGLY detoxing in a holding cell. But the “more than casual” users who aren’t totally lost are a different story. I don’t have a ton of the hardcore people because they’re too busy smoking and/or shooting up to afford rent. My drunks are a mixed bag. But there’s always pruno if they’re too far gone. Cigarette and pot smokers just go through hell if they truly can’t afford anything or are looking at the “$20 is $20” option. Plus cigarette and pot smokers will usually toss pity smokes to a fellow smoker who is that hard up. |
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| Thank you for continuing to update this thread. It's certainly an interesting microcosm. The local privately-run food bank has been posting that their utilization is up ~100%, and their donations are down ~50%. I drive by their distribution site pretty often when I'm out and about, and there are a LOT of newer cars and SUVs in the line. |
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Originally Posted By GreatDane: Thank you for continuing to update this thread. It's certainly an interesting microcosm. The local privately-run food bank has been posting that their utilization is up ~100%, and their donations are down ~50%. I drive by their distribution site pretty often when I'm out and about, and there are a LOT of newer cars and SUVs in the line. Between this thread and the Twxas floods, I just did a Goodwill donation run today. I have too much stuff anyway. |
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: Thanks for keeping this thread alive . I look forward to more updates You guys are doing way more than me to keep this thread alive. Edit: OMG, just checked and this thread is already a year old!  My properties are "transitional living" in a lot of ways. They can be "move up" in that somebody is working their way up and my places are an improvement. I've had NUMEROUS battered women (though I do have a battered man right now) fleeing domestic violence. It can be "move down" for those with major negative job changes, loss of a different home, addiction going to mid-grade, etc. Or it can go both ways; divorcees are coming down from a nice family home, leveling off, and then moving up again. I've had three move-outs this month with another six or seven scheduled. Among those are: -Single 30s female met someone two years back and they're moving in together; -Son (23) living with mom moving out with girlfriend; -Mom with second son and daughter from above looking to step down to a more affordable two-bedroom; -Addict found dead; -Couple moving in with sister because our recent flooding trashed her house and sister suffered a job loss at the same time; -Couple moving to deeper ghetto to be among their friends; -Renting a larger house... ...and so on. My Free to Give Away tables are/were/are overflowing. Two to three dozen pairs of womens shoes. Non-perishable foods. Entertainment centers. (Yes, I still have people using tube TVs. One of my tenants has one with TWO built-in VHS players. He said it was a way to copy tapes. I've seen models with one built-in VHS player or a VHS with DVD, but never two VHS in one.) I had to remove a few older but unopened 40 ouncers and some porn magazines before the kids found them. Learned later that the kids had already found the porn and left what they didn't like. Already had one outraged mother come screaming to me about what her kid brought home. Lady, it's NOT my job to be the free table minder and it's YOUR job to teach YOUR kid what they may and may not bring into your home. She didn't like that.  Are/were/are is because stuff gets put out, picked over, refilled, picked over, etc., with the move-outs. The first one, the single 30s female, put out the shoes. None of them are fancy red bottom types, but many are brand new still with tags! (I learned that red bottom shoes are stupid expensive and very desirable from another tenant picking over shoes a few years back.) Even assuming $30/pair, which is likely low, that's a month of rent and major money wasted. The area around my largest building is changing. There's a dead church, dead school, dead bar, and dead drug store "big" box store all within a block. After at least half a decade, they're finally razing the church and school to put up more expensive housing. That place brought nothing but copper thieves and junkies looking to shoot up. The new housing will bring demand for goods and services and ought to push for redevelopment of those other dead places. I'm not too worried about my place; while it's old and tired, they're beyond unlikely to build anything new and be able to price it anywhere around me. And in this area, affordable housing is king. We had MAJOR floods a couple of weeks ago. Earlier in summer, I spent good money opening all of my catch basins, jetting drains, and generally improving stormwater management. At the time, I actually blamed myself for overspending. Just down the road, a brand new complex took on 9' of water in their underground parking garages. Every car down there, 100-250 depending on which news article you read, was totaled. Now that place is unlivable, and the city forced everybody to move out because that water also took out their electrical, HVAC, elevators... My underground parking garage had a wet floor with some puddles here and there. This ought to keep me in my tenant's good graces for a week or two. The flooding itself was epic. That could be a whole new thread by itself. The damage has been compared to what hurricane flooding causes, except that it was all either fresh water or sewer backups. The lines at the dump, crap on the curbs, etc., has been amazing throughout the county. Like Warren Buffett said, you can always tell who is skinny dipping when the tide goes out. Perhaps the most telling was "I never got a new sump pump; needed money for other things. And now my basement is ruined, and nobody has sump pumps anywhere!" |
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| Sounds like your storm water maintenance was the right move just in time! A hard hit at the time, but a wise / good investment now . . . Good move |
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there will always be a segment of the population that feels put upon. Theft, shoplifting, gaming 'the system' and living hand to mouth is 'normal' for a lot of folks. Hard to have any sympathy for them. They live like animals largely because of choices they have made. Education, life style, adherence to normal way of life. Ask them though, and it's never their fault. Around here, as far as I know, no one is dropping off care packages. The recipient class has to go get them. With fraud being cut back, with NGOs and 'charities' being monitored and cut off, some of these scammers might have to actually go get a job. |
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Do you know what your tenants are planning on doing if SNAP/EBT payments stop in November? |
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Originally Posted By Bubbles: Do you know what your tenants are planning on doing if SNAP/EBT payments stop in November? @bubbles Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking that I need to update this thread about this issue because last week was telling. The tenants really haven’t noticed the government shutdown because the various government offices they use are still open. But maybe last week, “rumors” started floating around. “Whatchoo sayin’ dere ain’t be no food next month..?” This week it really got into the news. Suddenly it’s real. Normally I try to avoid politics with the tenants because they’re all mentally stuck on the plantation. But I started getting questions like “You think we really get no food next month?” “Yes, I think so.” “When dis end?” “I figure on sometime next year.” “Why the Republicans do this?” “They didn’t. Republicans tried reopening the government over a dozen times, but the Democrats keep saying no because they want more.” One asked about the health care subsidies. I explained that the choice wasn’t food and health care money; it was between food and no subsidies versus no food and no subsidies, but that the Democrats were willing to treat them as expendable in that fight. “What’s ‘spenduble’ mean?”  I don’t think I made any new conservatives, but now some are wondering if they’re getting duped by “their” party. There’s some outright panic. I got to hear one “family council” meeting (Grandma, Mom and sister, and an astounding gaggle of kids) that was both eye-opening and absolutely not surprising. “Remember we got shit from Walmart? If we gotta do it again at (grocery store name), we does it like we did.” Basically, planning to return to organized team shoplifting. If I sold food in the hood, I’d be planning for a LOT of shoplifting, have plywood at the ready for boarding windows, extra security, etc. Maybe even require people to stay outside, pre-pay, and then have employees bring deliveries outside. If I were a grocer outside the hood, I’d still be wary. Hungry people will get desperate and pay visits to other stores elsewhere, especially if they’re on a public transit route. On my own end, I’m nervous because a bunch of my tenants are on Section 8 and similar programs. I don’t know if that’ll hold up, how it’ll work in light of the shutdown, etc. Unfortunately, my mortgage still needs to be paid. I’m already weighing rolling heavier once November 01 begins. Desperate people will do desperate things. |
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| here in North FL the food trucks are rolling more often into urban and rural 'distribution' centers. Usually black churches. One thing I notice is the recipient class drive better cars than I do, and have newer phones. It's going to be interesting when the SNAP checks don't arrive. |
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2: The poor people have a fondu set? Seriously?!?! I make 100k a year and I don’t have a fondu set… Maybe a leftover or hand-me-down from the 70s? I've been clearing out may late parents' house and it's amazing how much of the cooking stuff from my childhood in the 60s and 70s was still on their kitchen shelves |
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Originally Posted By prebans: If I sold food in the hood, I’d be planning for a LOT of shoplifting, have plywood at the ready for boarding windows, extra security, etc. Maybe even require people to stay outside, pre-pay, and then have employees bring deliveries outside. If I were a grocer outside the hood, I’d still be wary. Hungry people will get desperate and pay visits to other stores elsewhere, especially if they’re on a public transit route. Thanks again for the insights @prebans. We live in a mostly conservative area, but there are always pockets (even small towns) that have section 8 housing and a segment of the population that chooses to depend on government handouts. While the disruption of subsidies will undoubtably hurt some, but I think it's a good thing for those who have depended on them for the majority of their lives. I don't think many will change their ideology and suddenly understand the importance of being less dependent on the government or the charity of others, but this volatility might make a few question their life choice and status. I won't hold my breath. Our small-town food bank is getting strained and the town has a population of only 6k. Oddly, there is a very wealthy, old-southern class and a pretty solid middle class with a major gap to the government-dependent segment. We don’t even go into town to shop there, we drive about 30 minutes for better selection, which brings me to my point. Be on guard. Desperate times (in their mind) will end in desperate measures. Theft will go up, it’s inevitable. It’s the easier choice than working for many when benefits are cut. I suspect even more middle-class communities will see some of it, and I honestly think this is now the democrat strategy. Let their constituents burn down their own communities as political leverage against the opposition. I also think the gas will be thrown on the fire if there are SNAP riots mixed with (paid) Antifa riots. We might get luck and see what happens when assholes collide. Fair warning. Don’t go out much this weekend. If you need to shop do it this week before this weekend. Stay alert, stay armed, and avoid crowds, especially in metro/urban areas. ROCK6 |
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I found this interesting- Map of SNAP and percentages by county- FSA Map |
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Originally Posted By billth777: @prebans one of our good friends was a hood landlord in atl, he got shot in the leg and robbed of rent $ in 2008. He almost bled out. keep your head on a swivel, roll heavy and keep an overwatch if you can. @billth777 - Been through that a few times already. Thankfully their guns and their aim are both garbage. |
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