Posted: 10/15/2016 1:17:09 PM EDT
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For those without full bunkers full of 6 months of stuff, nor the money for it, a little planning helps shore up lighter prepping. What are your immediate steps, in order, if you believe a nuclear attack is in progress?
I'm in an area far enough away from targets/urban that I have zero threat of blast/heat, probably have 1-2 people to help Unplug and turn off everything, maybe just a few bombs coming, but if one of them is an EMP and I can save some electronics, that could put me ahead in the post attack world, put the vehicles in the garage, and then throw the main disconnecsts from the grid. Buy from the convenience store, send one person to use the credit cards before the EMP, get last minute food, extra TP, trashbags, batteries. Cook any raw food eg boil eggs Fill water containers, bathtubs, sinks, buckets Increase PF on the crawlspace with a little shoveling and perhaps overturning a bookshelf Board over lower floor windows (security) Start moving items to crawl space (liqour, paper goods, batteries, food) Thoughts? |
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For those without full bunkers full of 6 months of stuff, nor the money for it, a little planning helps shore up lighter prepping. What are your immediate steps, in order, if you believe a nuclear attack is in progress? I'm in an area far enough away from targets/urban that I have zero threat of blast/heat, probably have 1-2 people to help Unplug and turn off everything, maybe just a few bombs coming, but if one of them is an EMP and I can save some electronics, that could put me ahead in the post attack world, put the vehicles in the garage, and then throw the main disconnecsts from the grid. Buy from the convenience store, send one person to use the credit cards before the EMP, get last minute food, extra TP, trashbags, batteries. Cook any raw food eg boil eggs Fill water containers, bathtubs, sinks, buckets Increase PF on the crawlspace with a little shoveling and perhaps overturning a bookshelf Board over lower floor windows (security) Start moving items to crawl space (liqour, paper goods, batteries, food) Thoughts? My thoughts are to hit the supermarket and get all the foodstuffs you mentioned. Fill with gas, hit up the blue rhino. Then get home and wait and watch. Chances are that everything not tied down is gonna get looted quickly depending on where you are. I would also go to the local hardware store. get a bunch of seeds and such. Duct tape, lubricants, anything flammmable would be of use. Buy all the liquor and cigarettes you can cause they will be nice to trade. |
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At the point where bombs are falling (or close to it with no possible return to sanity), there is little you can do that will make a great difference. Your ideas will keep you busy if nothing else so get to it. Since your asking now, the time to make improvements on you preps and Bugout location is now.
If you located on/near a major target then this old saw about covers it 1) drop trousers 2) place head between legs 3) kiss your ass goodbye. Falling atomic weapons is near the bottom of my list. A major earthquake/volcano is much higher up it. |
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I'm in a manufacturing town, a "first strike" target for Russia. From launch to boom I have 30 minutes to say goodbye or gtfo. Whatever isn't on my back isn't gonna be used. Ever.
My son's work makes it easier for him to head north to my mother's house using country roads until out of the bast zone. From my work I'll head south then west, then make my way up to unite with him. If missiles launch at night we die never knowing to escape. My house is close enough that we'll die quickly, mercifully. |
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I'm sturdier than most. If I survived the blast I'd survive it all. My greatest fear is watching my son linger in agony, burned and poisoned by radiation.  Quoted:
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My fear is surviving the blast, and dealing with radiation... I'm sturdier than most. If I survived the blast I'd survive it all. My greatest fear is watching my son linger in agony, burned and poisoned by radiation. I have a daughter and feel the same way. |
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I'm sturdier than most. If I survived the blast I'd survive it all. My greatest fear is watching my son linger in agony, burned and poisoned by radiation. Quoted:
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My fear is surviving the blast, and dealing with radiation... I'm sturdier than most. If I survived the blast I'd survive it all. My greatest fear is watching my son linger in agony, burned and poisoned by radiation. Don't watch Testament |
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Here in SC, we're pretty screwed. SRS, Shaw, Ft. Jackson, Charleston, Beaufort... Nowhere to go. I'm in Lansing, MI. My job (650,000 sq/ft warehouse containing Army gear) is very close to a brand new high tech GM plant and a distribution hub of a major midwest grocery chain. I bet there are at least a couple warheads dedicated to just my part of town. My son works fot my employer too in a clothing manufacturing facility making clothes for the Army that's right next to an airport big enough to handle military aircraft if needed. It goes too. Our employer probably wouldn't bother to tell us until five minutes before the blasts, too. They're like that. |
| I'm out of any immediate nuclear issues more than likely. There's really not a whole lot I can do, however I've got NBC masks, iodine tabs and disposable suits that'll get me out of any immediate fall-out, assuming I'm even home and can figure out where a "safe" area would even be. Other than that, all I'd be able to do is tape up all the windows, doors and other leaky areas and wait for fall-out to subside. |
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I don't think there is any place really "safe" after a large nuclear attack. No way to tell where the winds will blow the fallout or where it will drop.
There are advantages to being in urban areas at such a time and disadvantages. On the whole I think the disadvantages might outweigh the advantages but it could be a close call depending on what actually happens. The Russians are the only ones with a significant offensive nuclear strike force and they don't really have the quantity to do as much damage as you might think, and their freedom of action is limited by the potential for retaliation. I am more worried about someone with one or a few nukes who don't care about retaliation. No telling what they might do or where they might set them off. I don't see how anyone can plan around even being at home. Very few people work at home and most of us are out of the house as much or more as we are there, so the few minutes warning we might get, may not even get us home, much less to a store to stock up. I would not be planning on having anything other than what you have in your immediate surroundings such as your car or office. I would also not count on being able to even get home. Once the panic starts chances are there will be chaos on the roads so even if you are relatively close to home, chances are pretty good you might not be able to get home real quick. JMNSHO. |
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Chances are 90% I'll be at home or within 15 minutes... the question is will I get any warning? Or is my first warning going to be the power going out / faint flashes on the horizon?
Unless it come across my cellphone as a presidential notification or I happen to be listening to the FM... anyone have an EAS radio? |
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. |
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My thoughts are to hit the supermarket and get all the foodstuffs you mentioned. Fill with gas, hit up the blue rhino. Then get home and wait and watch. Chances are that everything not tied down is gonna get looted quickly depending on where you are. I would also go to the local hardware store. get a bunch of seeds and such. Duct tape, lubricants, anything flammmable would be of use. Buy all the liquor and cigarettes you can cause they will be nice to trade. Quoted:
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For those without full bunkers full of 6 months of stuff, nor the money for it, a little planning helps shore up lighter prepping. What are your immediate steps, in order, if you believe a nuclear attack is in progress? I'm in an area far enough away from targets/urban that I have zero threat of blast/heat, probably have 1-2 people to help Unplug and turn off everything, maybe just a few bombs coming, but if one of them is an EMP and I can save some electronics, that could put me ahead in the post attack world, put the vehicles in the garage, and then throw the main disconnecsts from the grid. Buy from the convenience store, send one person to use the credit cards before the EMP, get last minute food, extra TP, trashbags, batteries. Cook any raw food eg boil eggs Fill water containers, bathtubs, sinks, buckets Increase PF on the crawlspace with a little shoveling and perhaps overturning a bookshelf Board over lower floor windows (security) Start moving items to crawl space (liqour, paper goods, batteries, food) Thoughts? My thoughts are to hit the supermarket and get all the foodstuffs you mentioned. Fill with gas, hit up the blue rhino. Then get home and wait and watch. Chances are that everything not tied down is gonna get looted quickly depending on where you are. I would also go to the local hardware store. get a bunch of seeds and such. Duct tape, lubricants, anything flammmable would be of use. Buy all the liquor and cigarettes you can cause they will be nice to trade. My thoughts is to buy everything you can think off that isn't directly food but will be needed... Example buy every propane tank you can find immediately. You can trade it for shit you need later. Too much food goes bad. Gas. I keep quite a few life straws around. Batteries. |
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Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. Quoted:
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. If it does happen, you won't have a 6-24 hr warning. Do your preps now. Get dosimeters, and potassium iodide, and food and water |
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If it does happen, you won't have a 6-24 hr warning. Do your preps now. Get dosimeters, and potassium iodide, and food and water Quoted:
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. If it does happen, you won't have a 6-24 hr warning. Do your preps now. Get dosimeters, and potassium iodide, and food and water I have as much of those things as I reasonably can justify spending and storing given the relative risk of needing them and the benefit they provide. The question is how to maximize the 0-30 minutes of attack warning and the 6-24 hours (depending on attack profile and wind patterns) before sheltering is necessary. |
| It takes about 30 minutes for an ICBM launched from Russia to reach the US. NORAD will see it almost immediately after launch. The President gets notified and hustled out of danger. We will launch in response to their launch. Given the time frame and the necessity to respond to the threat, save the President and other govt. officials, there probably isn't time to issue any warning at all. So the only possibility you have of last minute preps is if current events lead you to believe that relations between the US and Russia (or whomever) have broken down to the point that an attack "might" occur. If you're not in the vicinity of the strike then everyone will be in full panic mode and getting to the store to make last minute purchases seems like a losing proposition. |
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Either get in your car and go somewhere else right now or prepare to shelter in place right now.
Leaving immediately means a bug out bag prepacked and ready and a preplanned destination, thing needed before the power fails is a full tank of gas and bottled water. Shelter in place means finding or building a mass barrier in or under a building and stocking it with water, food, sanitary supplies and medicines. Such a sheltered area is usually small and would be far better if prescouted and constructed before a crisis began. Note that a survivor might have to evacuate after sheltering for several weeks in a contaminated area. Sheltering when the dose rate is high makes sense, so does permanently evacuating an area that is contaminated (think Chernobyl). Best to evacuate at high speed, lowering the total dose. Again, that means a full tank of gas is a good thing to have, along with a bug out bag and as much portable wealth as you can carry for life as a nuclear refugee. Either way, a survivor will likely need a full tank of fuel for their vehicle and bottled water. These are the first things I would go for if there was warning of an attack. There is a gas station with a mini mart only a mile from my home, right on the direct path to the nearest freeway onramp. I plan to grab my bug out bag, drive there, gas my wheels with credit card while system is up, buy cases of bottled water, make a cash ATM withdrawal right there in the store, get on freeway and go. Or drive home to shelter. |
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I have NYC and washington to the southeast of me , surrounded by Pratt and Whitney , Sikorsky and Colt . Off to the east is New London that has Coast Guard Acadamy Groton sub base and Electric boat . There is going to be nucs all around me for sure Glad I left CT 
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I went through NBC training and I am a Cold War Vet. In a full scale nuclear war, proper procedure is to put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. My house is about three miles from the factories, on the leeward side of the hill away from the blast, and I have a good basement for even better shelter. I ain't gonna quit trying to live. I'll not slip away without doingsomething to prevent my end. 
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Russian BM warheads are typically 150-800kt. For 800kt, you can expect severe damage/destruction and high casualties for about 150sqmi for an optimal air burst. Quoted:
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How many square miles can an ICBM destroy? Russian BM warheads are typically 150-800kt. For 800kt, you can expect severe damage/destruction and high casualties for about 150sqmi for an optimal air burst. Thanks. This thread is an eye opener. |
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Dosimetry decides.
Dose rate? How many zoomies are getting you vs what do you need to do? Get home, gather kids from school, get spouse? Is your car working? Can you maintain a good dose rate in house? I really hope so. 99.9% are just going into basement and sitting down. How many have a shelter with concrete pipes covered with a few feet of dirt? Run your area through the various choices. http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ |
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How many square miles can an ICBM destroy? Russian BM warheads are typically 150-800kt. For 800kt, you can expect severe damage/destruction and high casualties for about 150sqmi for an optimal air burst. Thanks. This thread is an eye opener. That's a circle 10 miles across. Not 150 miles wide. |
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Dosimetry decides. Dose rate? How many zoomies are getting you vs what do you need to do? Get home, gather kids from school, get spouse? Is your car working? Can you maintain a good dose rate in house? I really hope so. 99.9% are just going into basement and sitting down. How many have a shelter with concrete pipes covered with a few feet of dirt? I will bury my basement windows asap. That will help a bit. |
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How many square miles can an ICBM destroy? Russian BM warheads are typically 150-800kt. For 800kt, you can expect severe damage/destruction and high casualties for about 150sqmi for an optimal air burst. Thanks. This thread is an eye opener. http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ |
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I will bury my basement windows asap. That will help a bit. Quoted:
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Dosimetry decides. Dose rate? How many zoomies are getting you vs what do you need to do? Get home, gather kids from school, get spouse? Is your car working? Can you maintain a good dose rate in house? I really hope so. 99.9% are just going into basement and sitting down. How many have a shelter with concrete pipes covered with a few feet of dirt? I will bury my basement windows asap. That will help a bit. If you had some warning, it would be...but without equipment or sandbags, it's gonna be a job. Most houses start with wood about a foot above the window anyway. Those old civil defense plans may get some use with the news scare talk going on now. |
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Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. Quoted:
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% Indeed, but what do I do for about 6-24 hours until the first fallout arrives. That's the thrust of my post. iirc you'll need at least 3 feet of earth (shielding) between you and the fallout (out of the blast zone). seal your shelter area (shelter door) with duct tape to prevent air transfer/infiltration of fallout dirt/dust. Rig up a sealed HEPA type air filtration system to maintain fresh filtered air. Probably a manual way of moving that air circulation or risk asphyxiation/ CO2 poisoning. If an attack is imminent, then dose those under 45 y/o (or everyone) with potassium iodine (iirc maintain dosage during radiation threat). Will need food/water/toilet measures for 3 weeks minimum. Battery powered radio. Stay in the shelter for 3 weeks minimum or until radiation danger has passed. iirc this was pretty much the standard train of thought back in the seventies. |
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How many square miles can an ICBM destroy? Russian BM warheads are typically 150-800kt. For 800kt, you can expect severe damage/destruction and high casualties for about 150sqmi for an optimal air burst. Thanks. This thread is an eye opener. That's a circle 10 miles across. Not 150 miles wide. 14 miles in diameter |
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% This has been my question. So let's say we hunker down inside our house and have protected it the best I could with layers of dirt, debris, wood, whatever else i could find. Radioactive dust is outside, on the house, cars lawn, everything got covered. So your saying in two weeks that dust will no longer be as radioactive and safe to start venturing outside again? |
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potassium iodide protects the thyroid from storing radioactive iodine compounds after a nuckear accident in a power plant.
during a nuke exchange there will be so much fallout, if you survive, your thyroid is the least of your problems. You aren't going to get any warning from anybody in authority. There is no longer a civil defense system. If you live outside a missile silo, your first indication will be a very bright flash of light. If you live far away in the mountains your first indication will be loss of communications if you are using any, quickly followed by seeing mushroom clouds in the distance if you have a good view of something important. If you think you are going to run to the store to buy supplies, you are fooling yourself. People will be looting not buying and killing each other over stuff. Your best bet is to get as much shielding between the world and your family as soon as you can and already have supplies for at least several months until the radiation levels drop to survivable levels and there has been enough rain to wash the fallout off everything. Then you can go outside and start the process of dying from contaminated water and food, if you can find any and starving to death if you can't. |
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This has been my question. So let's say we hunker down inside our house and have protected it the best I could with layers of dirt, debris, wood, whatever else i could find. Radioactive dust is outside, on the house, cars lawn, everything got covered. So your saying in two weeks that dust will no longer be as radioactive and safe to start venturing outside again? Quoted:
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Don't move around, that's how you are going to get hit with the most radiation. Hunker down, move to center of house, don't have forced airflow into house, after 2 weeks fallout radiation will be reduced by 99% This has been my question. So let's say we hunker down inside our house and have protected it the best I could with layers of dirt, debris, wood, whatever else i could find. Radioactive dust is outside, on the house, cars lawn, everything got covered. So your saying in two weeks that dust will no longer be as radioactive and safe to start venturing outside again? after about 2 weeks if it has rained enough, radiation levels will be less than immediately lethal. They will still be high and everything will still be contaminated. Safe in this new world is a relative term and you will not know how safe it is unless you have the proper equipment |
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Quoted: I was looking around at potassium iodide, and there are a lot of non FDA approved options out there... I am assuming those should be avoided? I prefer to keep my iodine high with naturally a natually balanced diet involving this stuff:  Each serving is about 1,000 times daily dose of iodine. (Plus, it's tasty.) |
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Quoted: What is a good source of information to understand exposure, time, medical risk, etc. I can get a survey meter but wouldn't have a clue what it was telling me.. It's a book that covers a lot of the basics a normal person should know. |