Posted: 7/12/2015 10:57:20 PM EDT
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Assume I have a suppressed .308 AR10 and an M&P. What would you recommend as a third weapon? A judge for dealing with small snakes and birds, while also maintaining a versatile combative role? A full size shotgun more geared towards combat? A long range .338 or similarly chambered bolt gun? Or for shiggles an M320 with flechette shells and HE. Anything else?
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My .22 conversion for my AR works really well. I've heard some uppers aren't very accurate with them though. Standard .22LR twist is 1/16 so it generally doesn't achieve great accuracy in slower twist like .223/5.56 barrels. That said I've been happy with my Spike's kit; it's a great plinker but I wouldn't want to depend on it to eat. My CMMG upper is much more accurate, especially as range increases. Yep, I'd add a .22LR of some sort too although I'm not a 10/22 fan boy; almost every Marlin I've shot has been less expensive and more accurate than almost every 10/22 I've shot, and that includes some fancy ones. I also like bolt actions for how quiet they are with a suppressor and their ability to shoot most .22 ammo. |
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Sounds like you really need a pocket gun.
You are either dressing this summer in clothes that scream "Gun" or your are leaving your gun at home. A mouse gun also doubles as a backup second carry should you have to do something task specific. Task specific is something like know you are heading for trouble. You can actually double up your application by choosing a revolver which can be loaded with shot shell for snakes. The little .22 lrs are so small, they'd fit in the palm of your hand and the .38 snubbie a tried and true standard. Regardless, you are better off preparing for the most likely thing to happen than the least likely. Its pretty obvious, you are not a hunter. Here's some really good general advice, tactical cool is fun but it grows old with time and practical becomes way more important. Handle the practical before you buy more toys and believe me, I'm the last man on Earth to expect to ever say don't buy toys. I'm off the deep end of silly with toys. I'm just advising you cover your basics first. All the toys in the world won't be worth a damn if you are dead because some mugger decides he's not leaving witnesses and you left that M&P home that day. I've found it wiser to plan for Mr. Murphy than the Walking Dead. The Mr. Murphy stuff happens, going to war doesn't. Tj |
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Assume I have a suppressed .308 AR10 and an M&P. What would you recommend as a third weapon? A judge for dealing with small snakes and birds, while also maintaining a versatile combative role? A full size shotgun more geared towards combat? A long range .338 or similarly chambered bolt gun? Or for shiggles an M320 with flechette shells and HE. Anything else? Shiggles thread You really need to define your situation a little better as recommendations could range widely between a pocket pistol and a Barrett .50 cal. Are you talking about on-foot or just bugged-in at the homestead? Is this a rural or urban environment? Is this in the wooded southeast, open-country of the mid or southwest or is it the mountainous area of the Appalachian, Rockies or Cascades? Environment really impacts the choice. For a more “rural” environment and “on-foot”, I would strongly recommend a simple .22LR pistol (Ruger 22/45 or Browning Buckmark), preferably suppressed. You will obtain a lot more small game or dispatch canine threats much easier and quieter with this. Another option would be the 10/22. My version is only 3.5 pounds with peep sights and a folding stock (and can be suppressed as well). 
If you’re looking for a versatile addition around the homestead, I couldn’t recommend a combo shotgun like Mossberg’s 500 with a 26” barrel or an 18.5 cylinder barrel for slugs or buck. A lot of capability at the home for protection and hunting fowl, small game or even deer sized game. 
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,,,Yep, I'd add a .22LR of some sort too although I'm not a 10/22 fan boy; almost every Marlin I've shot has been less expensive and more accurate than almost every 10/22 I've shot, and that includes some fancy ones. ,,, That's been my experience, also. |
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Assume I have a suppressed .308 AR10 and an M&P. What would you recommend as a third weapon? A judge for dealing with small snakes and birds, while also maintaining a versatile combative role? A full size shotgun more geared towards combat? A long range .338 or similarly chambered bolt gun? Or for shiggles an M320 with flechette shells and HE. Anything else? Shiggles thread A 22LR for all those things that need a cheap lead pill. 
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For all those recommending a 22lr, can you find ammo to supply it? .22lr STILL isn't available around here, hasn't been for a couple years. Most gun shops have some supply of small boxes of CCI, but they are behind the counter and if you buy a .22 gun, you have the opportunity to purchase up to 2 boxes. The only thing I have found anywhere is .22 shotshell, in all its wonder  |
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For all those recommending a 22lr, can you find ammo to supply it? .22lr STILL isn't available around here, hasn't been for a couple years. Most gun shops have some supply of small boxes of CCI, but they are behind the counter and if you buy a .22 gun, you have the opportunity to purchase up to 2 boxes. The only thing I have found anywhere is .22 shotshell, in all its wonder
17hmr can be found easily, as can any rifle/shotgun ammo you want, including 5.56. OP: IF you can find .22, I would get a .22 and buy what ammo you can. Otherwise, get an AR in 5.56 and a .22 kit and keep en eye out for what .22 you can find as you can find it. I spent 2009-2012 restocking. 
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For all those recommending a 22lr, can you find ammo to supply it? .22lr STILL isn't available around here, hasn't been for a couple years. Most gun shops have some supply of small boxes of CCI, but they are behind the counter and if you buy a .22 gun, you have the opportunity to purchase up to 2 boxes. The only thing I have found anywhere is .22 shotshell, in all its wonder
17hmr can be found easily, as can any rifle/shotgun ammo you want, including 5.56. OP: IF you can find .22, I would get a .22 and buy what ammo you can. Otherwise, get an AR in 5.56 and a .22 kit and keep en eye out for what .22 you can find as you can find it. .22 is all over down here. Last week I went to go pick up some 9mm on sale at a bigger store and they had a whole wall of it. From CCI to thunderbolts and blazer. No limits and buy all you wanted. Adventure Outdoors in Smyrna Georgia. Not sure if they sell online or not. FYI |
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I'm with TJ. I'm at the point where I think a great concealed carry gun is the first priority. The last few years have made available some excellent single stack 9mm autoloaders. LC9S, PPS, Glock 43, Shield. You keep this with you for when you're not expecting trouble. If you are expecting trouble? Either de-ass the area or get the rifle. Then I think you need a .22lr rifle. Gun forums get all hot and bothered about the 10/22. It's a fine option, but there are others. Look at CZ 452 and 455, and the new Ruger American Rimfire looks great. I'd suggest getting a factory threaded model, so your next (5th?) big purchase can be a suppressor. As far as shotguns... They are the best option for shooting at birds. For any other purpose, there is a better option. So, in my opinion, buy a shotgun only if you're going hunting for birds. |
| Personally, I dislike the 10/22. Had one for a few years and sold it. It didn't so anything better than a number of other guns except give you an excuse to spend more money accessorizing it. I bought a CMMG that was just as accurate, and never shot the 10/22 again. Plus it took all of the AR parts I already had laying around. Now I have a .22 that I can just throw a centerfire upper on if the need arises. |
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Quoted: Personally, I dislike the 10/22. Had one for a few years and sold it. It didn't so anything better than a number of other guns except give you an excuse to spend more money accessorizing it. I bought a CMMG that was just as accurate, and never shot the 10/22 again. Plus it took all of the AR parts I already had laying around. Now I have a .22 that I can just throw a centerfire upper on if the need arises. |
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Standard .22LR twist is 1/16 so it generally doesn't achieve great accuracy in slower faster twist like .223/5.56 barrels. That said I've been happy with my Spike's kit; it's a great plinker but I wouldn't want to depend on it to eat. My CMMG upper is much more accurate, especially as range increases. Yep, I'd add a .22LR of some sort too although I'm not a 10/22 fan boy; almost every Marlin I've shot has been less expensive and more accurate than almost every 10/22 I've shot, and that includes some fancy ones. I also like bolt actions for how quiet they are with a suppressor and their ability to shoot most .22 ammo. Quoted:
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My .22 conversion for my AR works really well. I've heard some uppers aren't very accurate with them though. Standard .22LR twist is 1/16 so it generally doesn't achieve great accuracy in slower faster twist like .223/5.56 barrels. That said I've been happy with my Spike's kit; it's a great plinker but I wouldn't want to depend on it to eat. My CMMG upper is much more accurate, especially as range increases. Yep, I'd add a .22LR of some sort too although I'm not a 10/22 fan boy; almost every Marlin I've shot has been less expensive and more accurate than almost every 10/22 I've shot, and that includes some fancy ones. I also like bolt actions for how quiet they are with a suppressor and their ability to shoot most .22 ammo. Fixed. |
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My .22 conversion for my AR works really well. I've heard some uppers aren't very accurate with them though. Standard .22LR twist is 1/16 so it generally doesn't achieve great accuracy in slower faster twist like .223/5.56 barrels. That said I've been happy with my Spike's kit; it's a great plinker but I wouldn't want to depend on it to eat. My CMMG upper is much more accurate, especially as range increases. Yep, I'd add a .22LR of some sort too although I'm not a 10/22 fan boy; almost every Marlin I've shot has been less expensive and more accurate than almost every 10/22 I've shot, and that includes some fancy ones. I also like bolt actions for how quiet they are with a suppressor and their ability to shoot most .22 ammo. Fixed. Thanks, not sure how I switched that.
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