Posted: 8/18/2013 3:41:19 PM EDT
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I hear this is good stuff.
I have not yet used it myself, but plan on it eventually. |
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If you were going to do this with an AR15, duracoat or cerakote on the aluminum and steel components at a minimum. NiB on the fire control group, bolt and carrier. Vacuum pack it with desiccant of some sort. My understanding is that you can apply cerakote or durcoat over an NiB finish. This should provide for excellent corrosion resistance if stored properly.
Pistols? How about a polymer pistol with the same treatment on the metal bits. Might not hurt to have some lube stored separately with it, or just carry an extra quart of Mobil1. |
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Aren't those Aloksak (sp?) bags supposed to help with that? Another thought could be those "zero rust" toolboxes I see at Lowes where they supposedly get rid of moisture. Those would work size-wise for pistols.
For protectant, I use that Extreme Weapons Lubricant on both the insides and outsides of my rifles and pistols. (The only exception is the one pistol I have that has wood grips where I don't use it.) Not sure about real long term storage as to whether it would "dry out" or not. Slip2000 also makes a grease but it's kinda pricey. |
| I don't think rust is going to be as serious as you think. I cant find the link, but there was a guy on here who buried a Mini14 for like 20 years and it was fine. I believe he just used some standard gun oil and made sure the container was waterproof. If you have vacuum sealed the bag, then put it in a waterproof container, I think you will be okay. |
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I don't think rust is going to be as serious as you think. I cant find the link, but there was a guy on here who buried a Mini14 for like 20 years and it was fine. I believe he just used some standard gun oil and made sure the container was waterproof. If you have vacuum sealed the bag, then put it in a waterproof container, I think you will be okay. If I recall, that guy also flooded the container with nitrogen or some heavier than air gas and essentially de-oxified the entire container before he buried it. The guy under the dead tree right? |
| If you are doing a vacuum-sealed mylar bag, any light gun oil would probably be fine. Personally, I would use Mobil 1 synthetic, coat it real good, and then seal it up tight. A sealed and vacc'ed bag can only allow just so much O2 to remain inside, and even if you packed it with a dry gun, any oxidation would be minimal. |
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I don't think rust is going to be as serious as you think. I cant find the link, but there was a guy on here who buried a Mini14 for like 20 years and it was fine. I believe he just used some standard gun oil and made sure the container was waterproof. If you have vacuum sealed the bag, then put it in a waterproof container, I think you will be okay. If I recall, that guy also flooded the container with nitrogen or some heavier than air gas and essentially de-oxified the entire container before he buried it. The guy under the dead tree right? Yes, it was under a tree, so probably the same guy. Do you have that link? It would probably be a good read for the OP. |
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I had no idea that stuff was so expensive now. Must have been really cheap in Russia back in the day. |
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I had no idea that stuff was so expensive now. Must have been really cheap in Russia back in the day. need more greek yak fat! or was that Nepalese guns? yea it was the Nepalese surplus british guns. lots and lots of yak fat. You could probably make your own cosmolene type product with beeswax and bearing grease mixed in a double boiler. You want it a bit waxy. |
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I'd like to bury guns in plastic bags (the food saver type) in PVC containers which will stay buried for years. I don't want them rusting. Can I coat them in Break-Free CLP and then put desiccant in the bags and seal them up? Would that be good for 5-10 years? Would it affect things like wooden stocks? fill that pvc pipe with 70wt gear oil, seal the ends. 
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just don't use any acid based silicone when sealing, iirc there was a member here who sealed his pipe with silicone and the vapors from the acid in the silicone did some nasty corrosive stuff to his weapon. so if it smells like vinegar avoid it for that application. hope this helps
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I don't think rust is going to be as serious as you think. I cant find the link, but there was a guy on here who buried a Mini14 for like 20 years and it was fine. I believe he just used some standard gun oil and made sure the container was waterproof. If you have vacuum sealed the bag, then put it in a waterproof container, I think you will be okay. |
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Vci bags work
www.polygunbag.com VCI's - Volatile Corrosion inhibitors are used for shipping and storage by the military, bearing, steel and parts industies. Now the technology is available to you custom made for firearms.
How They Work - A continuous, invisible and harmless rust-inhibiting vapor forms an unnoticeable, microscopic layer of VCI on the metal which protects the metal's total surface (exterior and interior parts, including inside the barrel). This layer instantly evaporates when the gun is removed from the bag. |
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this does extremely well and cleans off easier than cosmoline http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/image/spin_prod_209671401?hei=416&wid=416&qlt=65,0&op_sharpen=1&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0 I used this when I had my guns stored while building my house and I wasn't sure how long it was going to take since I built it myself. Most guns were in storage for 2.5 yrs in a non climate controlled environment. It works great, I sprayed the guns and let it firm up without wiping. Looking back, I could have probably wiped them leaving a film and had just as good results. Not one speck of rust on anything, but mine were not stored underground. |
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RIG is a good product marketed for guns, but wheel bearing grease works and it's cheap enough to really "overdo" it. Force grease into every nook and cranny. You can wrap the whole mess with oil impregnated cloth or paper and grease the whole thing again.
I've decosmolined a bunch of old C&R guns, and this is close to the method they used to store the old war guns. It's just a little work to clean then up when you are ready to use them. Gasoline (not safe), kerosene, diesel, paint thinner all work. |
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http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html he doesn't specify the exact oil: "...I then disassembled the rifle and completely coated every metal part with a rust preventative oil intended for storing unused machinery in damp locations. This oil dries to form a waxy coating... " Quoted:
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I don't think rust is going to be as serious as you think. I cant find the link, but there was a guy on here who buried a Mini14 for like 20 years and it was fine. I believe he just used some standard gun oil and made sure the container was waterproof. If you have vacuum sealed the bag, then put it in a waterproof container, I think you will be okay. If I recall, that guy also flooded the container with nitrogen or some heavier than air gas and essentially de-oxified the entire container before he buried it. The guy under the dead tree right? Yes, it was under a tree, so probably the same guy. Do you have that link? It would probably be a good read for the OP. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html he doesn't specify the exact oil: "...I then disassembled the rifle and completely coated every metal part with a rust preventative oil intended for storing unused machinery in damp locations. This oil dries to form a waxy coating... " Yeah, that's the article I was thinking of. From the sound of the "waxy coating" my guess would be cosmoline. What he doesn't say, and I would be really interested to know, is how well the loose rounds outside of the mylar bags fared. He did nitrogen purge the container but even then, those rounds were just loose in the pipe. I would think thier condition would be an excellent "canary in the coal mine" for the overall oxygen levels that existed in the tube. |
| What would happen if you through some steel wool in or an acutal o2 absorber wouldn't that help remove the oxygen from the tube. I would personally think as long as the tube was dry and contained dessicant, with a good coating of oil any wepon should be good for a really long time. |
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LPS-3 is about the best I've found. It's almost like a spray on cosmoline but doesn't have to be as thick, like a dip. http://jakespilotshop.com/image.php?type=T&id=1980 Be sure to pack some solvent. This creates a thick, waxy coating that ain't coming off. Good stuff. +1 |