Posted: 4/22/2013 1:49:29 PM EDT
| A guy at work told me he went to Dick's, I was home, don't ask, there were 60 people in line for .22s....hours later they got in....only one to a customer....total of 8 bulk boxes and 30- 100 round boxes....Have many times that in the armory. what good is gold when there is nothing to buy with it |
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I agree, I sold all my silver to buy stuff I can actually use and/or barter with. I did the hedge thing with silver and did well, but see importance in actual assests that are usable and sellable.
Not that silver and gold are bad, I put them in the same category as stocks and bonds, you play and gamble. |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=330188141
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| $455 a brick for any 22lr ammo is insanity! I have a bunch of 22lr ammo and am very glad I bought mine before the craziness. The only problem is I am afraid to shoot it when I know I can't replace what I shoot so my practice is really limited these days. I've been forced to break out the pellet gun just so I can at least get some trigger time in. |
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Quoted: A guy at work told me he went to Dick's, I was home, don't ask, there were 60 people in line for .22s....hours later they got in....only one to a customer....total of 8 bulk boxes and 30- 100 round boxes....Have many times that in the armory. what good is gold when there is nothing to buy with it So I shouldn't keep cash as well then, becuase that won't get it done as your example proves. Your post is very short sighted. What you should take from it, is that consumable goods will always hold value, and your plan for stocking them should be based on how long you think the shortage of said commodity will last. One sticking point is that there wil be a limit to stocking. A way around it, is to store "wealth dense" items which include gold, and could include other items (meds/food/etc). It just so happens that like most runs on items, this is based on emotions rather than need-so the results are inflated for their actual meaning. One example does not make a rule. If it were so, and you made the "what to stock" decision in 2008, you would be knee deep in AR15 lowers and 380 ammo. 
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| Like I just told him...time to buy ammo and guns is over, remember when I told you to buy wheat...it has gone up double.....kids don't listen....also told him when SHTF...don't bother me unless you are blonde, big boobs and inside plumbing!!! well I can go with a brunette or strawberry blonde...well pretty much anything with inside plumbing |
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Like I just told him...time to buy ammo and guns is over, remember when I told you to buy wheat...it has gone up double.....kids don't listen....also told him when SHTF...don't bother me unless you are blonde, big boobs and inside plumbing!!! well I can go with a brunette or strawberry blonde...well pretty much anything with inside plumbing I doubt my wife would be as understanding as MrsWind. 
As to your original question, .22LR is not valuable to me at all. I have lots. (In fact, if I was smarter, I would be selling - "Everybody's buying? then sell, sell, sell, ----- Everybody's selling? then buy, buy, buy"
and this is the main problem I have with the barter after SHTF idea. Who are you planning to barter with? I do not need any .22LR and people would want it, probably will not have much that I would want to trade it for. We stock wheat, I grind it, my wife bakes bread. Not because we HAVE to, but because we want to. - and yes, we still buy bread at the store, it is convenient. If the day comes when we HAVE to bake bread (because there are no stores) I doubt I will barter any of my families wheat, no matter how much we have. or any other food items, for that matter. I am not saying that something could not happen in which I would be forced to barter, but I do not stock things specifically to barter with. ETA: It's times like these that we prep for, we should all be watching the madness and eating popcorn. and I know you probably are.
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Quoted: Here is a picture from a gunshow somebody posted in GD. I saved it to remind me of how crazy things can get. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/dmsmith12345/InsaneAmmo_zps891f99b41_zps9c00bda8.jpg Why is that picture taken on a couch cushion? At a gun show?? Looks more like someone took their stash and had fun with a price gun... |
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So I shouldn't keep cash as well then, becuase that won't get it done as your example proves. Your post is very short sighted.
OK I will go slow for you.....to wait 3 hours for a brick of .22 is stupid, it will be back down soon and Dicks is notorious for in adequate stock of sale items. Gold and the like have no worth....OK wait a minute...their value is what is perceived by the other person. If I have something you want I say an ounce of gold...you say no...you still have your ounce of gold...but it didn't get you anything. What can you do look at it? hold it? Now a box of .22 have a value of their own, they have a function all their own. You can shoot them, kill a rabbit for dinner...can you throw that gold at the rabbit and have it for dinner? Nevermind I made it too complicated for you...how about supply and demand? |
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Quoted: A condensing post won't make a invalid point valid. So I shouldn't keep cash as well then, becuase that won't get it done as your example proves. Your post is very short sighted. OK I will go slow for you.....to wait 3 hours for a brick of .22 is stupid, it will be back down soon and Dicks is notorious for in adequate stock of sale items. Gold and the like have no worth....OK wait a minute...their value is what is perceived by the other person. If I have something you want I say an ounce of gold...you say no...you still have your ounce of gold...but it didn't get you anything. What can you do look at it? hold it? Now a box of .22 have a value of their own, they have a function all their own. You can shoot them, kill a rabbit for dinner...can you throw that gold at the rabbit and have it for dinner? Nevermind I made it too complicated for you...how about supply and demand? Did you see anyone whip out gold for a trade? You assumed its not valuable and won't be used based on ONE experience and ONE transaction at a RETAIL location in a non SHTF conditions, not a place for barter. You are correct in that consumable goods have other uses, but that does not mean gold is worthless. You still cannot use a invalid argument to generalize a "theory," especially one that is driven by emotional response (as you even pointed out). Would your mind blow up If I have been trading gold for ammo? I've been making a killing at the low point of gold and high point of ammo. It seems to me, people that have gold get what they want. Sure they might not get it if tens of people are bidding on the same thing, but just because they don't means they are SOL. Consumable goods have a "dual" advantage but there is a limit on stocking them for the most part. Stocking gold give you a wealth dense product to use in MANY situations. If you think that gold will be worthless, what do you think people that prep and stock on here will trade for? They won't turn away gold when sitting on a few hundred packs of (insert commodity here). Gold has proven, as long as man has been around, that people hold it in value. If you don't, that's fine, but there are billions that do. note I didn't say go all in on it, but refusing its usefulness is shortsighted. |
| Look Taylor listen, it has nothing to do with the value of gold...are you looking for an arguement to fulfill some inner need...go somewhere else. The observation is how all of a sudden .22 have taken on a vastly increased value that some people will wait 3 hours for a box..... |
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OK I will go slow for you.....to wait 3 hours for a brick of .22 is stupid, it will be back down soon and Dicks is notorious for in adequate stock of sale items. Gold and the like have no worth....OK wait a minute...their value is what is perceived by the other person. If I have something you want I say an ounce of gold...you say no...you still have your ounce of gold...but it didn't get you anything. What can you do look at it? hold it? Now a box of .22 have a value of their own, they have a function all their own. You can shoot them, kill a rabbit for dinner...can you throw that gold at the rabbit and have it for dinner? Nevermind I made it too complicated for you...how about supply and demand?
This post is an example of someone who simply does not get it... Not everyone wants 22 ammo. Not everyone has a gun. Does that mean guns and ammo are worthless? Only to those who simply are ignorant to reality. Gold has had value much, much longer than 22 ammo, or guns. It still has value, and always will.... Well, except to those too ignorant, not stupid mind you, just those who simply do not understand the value and use of gold. There are vegans, does that mean meat is worthless? There are folks who never drive cars - amish - does that mean cars are worthless? The smart folks understand the value of lots of items, whether they need them or not, and never say they are completely worthless. It is simply an opportunity to better yourself making a trade in your favor. |
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Folks here need to read up on the TULIP MANIA!
I can see an indefinite shortage of many kinds of ammo --but .22LR??? That's a staple in most Totalitarian countries. Along w/ shotgun shells. Tulip Mania Let's sing together, "Trippin... Thru the Tulips... To da 22.. Long Rifle... We're buyin it.. All up... For lotso Money and... Standing in line... At the Walmart, everyday... Just to git our... Three boxes... Or git lied to, When the Mgr says there... Ain't none in the store... When ackshully, There's a ton of everything, Hidden right behind the wall, Or in the cabnets, For the employees to scarf up, So's the W-M Shoppers... Can't git none, And have to trade Precious metal.. To git a box. Not being musical, that's as far as I can go. 
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I have sold 8 of the Winchester 500rd bulk packs that I bought at walmart a few years ago for $12 each for $50 each. I also sold 10 of the Federal 550 bulk packs that I paid $9.97 each for $60 each recently. Those that have bought from me are planning to buy the other 24 federal bulk packs that I have. I wasn't going to chase a sucker down, but I wasn't going to let him walk away empty-handed either. I am in the process of selling thousands of dollars worth of ammo to those that will pay 3x what I paid for it. I will reinvest it in my AR fund and replace the ammo next year. 
ETA: My wife lost her job 2 months ago. The ammo sales have helped us through this difficult time. |
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If I posted a pic from my local walmart or canadian tire you guys would cry......
I don't know if it just has not hit up here, or the warehouses have alot more that hasn't sold down yet, but even in my podunk town there is hundreds of thousands of rounds of .22 on the shelves and bulk packs are still around 20-25 bucks cheaper and more plentiful ammo in Canada, it is bizarro world 
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| So, surely there must be some folks here who work for the ammo producers and can clarify just why lowly .22LR is in such short supply. My thought is that production shifted to the hot 5.56 and others to try to keep up with that demand and left a .22 shortage when demand for that unexpectedly jumped. |
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... I will reinvest it in my AR fund and replace the ammo next year.
You hope. 
(I hope you can too, FTR.) I hope so to!!! Quoted:
So, surely there must be some folks here who work for the ammo producers and can clarify just why lowly .22LR is in such short supply. My thought is that production shifted to the hot 5.56 and others to try to keep up with that demand and left a .22 shortage when demand for that unexpectedly jumped. I am also interested to know when I can get some more 22lr. While I don't have a lot I do have enough for just myself. I have roughly 10k rounds and have been throwing around the idea of sellling off a few bricks... 
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True story.
Last week I sold a bag of 300 .22 Golden bullets for 60 dollars plus shipping. I went to Grafs a few minutes later and ordered 550 .22 shorts fr $50 shipped. Then for good measure sold another bag of 300. Practically doubled my money and I am down 50 rounds from when I started. |
Even if I actually sell all the bulk packs of 22LR that I have, I will still have 17k of various boxed and match loadings. If all I had was bulk, then I would never go below 10k. I figure that the 22LR will start returning by October or so. Maybe by next feb, the prices will be back to "normal". All that assumes no more Federal legislative action. Im heading down to the CMP South store in Anniston, AL next week to get a Kimber 82G and maybe one more M1 Garand. It's cheaper to shoot 30.06 now than to shoot 223. 
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A condensing post won't make a invalid point valid.
So I shouldn't keep cash as well then, becuase that won't get it done as your example proves. Your post is very short sighted.
OK I will go slow for you.....to wait 3 hours for a brick of .22 is stupid, it will be back down soon and Dicks is notorious for in adequate stock of sale items. Gold and the like have no worth....OK wait a minute...their value is what is perceived by the other person. If I have something you want I say an ounce of gold...you say no...you still have your ounce of gold...but it didn't get you anything. What can you do look at it? hold it? Now a box of .22 have a value of their own, they have a function all their own. You can shoot them, kill a rabbit for dinner...can you throw that gold at the rabbit and have it for dinner? Nevermind I made it too complicated for you...how about supply and demand? Did you see anyone whip out gold for a trade? You assumed its not valuable and won't be used based on ONE experience and ONE transaction at a RETAIL location in a non SHTF conditions, not a place for barter. You are correct in that consumable goods have other uses, but that does not mean gold is worthless. You still cannot use a invalid argument to generalize a "theory," especially one that is driven by emotional response (as you even pointed out). Would your mind blow up If I have been trading gold for ammo? I've been making a killing at the low point of gold and high point of ammo. It seems to me, people that have gold get what they want. Sure they might not get it if tens of people are bidding on the same thing, but just because they don't means they are SOL. Consumable goods have a "dual" advantage but there is a limit on stocking them for the most part. Stocking gold give you a wealth dense product to use in MANY situations. If you think that gold will be worthless, what do you think people that prep and stock on here will trade for? They won't turn away gold when sitting on a few hundred packs of (insert commodity here). Gold has proven, as long as man has been around, that people hold it in value. If you don't, that's fine, but there are billions that do. note I didn't say go all in on it, but refusing its usefulness is shortsighted. Zero chance I will trade anything I have ever, SHTF or not, for gold. Especially not ammo, that's just stupid, what am I gonna do? Throw bricks of it at the deer i'm trying to hunt? You people who hoarded that crap up, have got a real eye-opener coming, for one thing, the price is about to crash hard and that leads me to my second point, it was NEVER REAL preppers who started the rush to buy gold and silver, it was market manipulators and their minions gaming you. Watch and learn, the time to buy gold and silver is loooooong over, you should have been buying 6-7 years ago, and selling now, guarantee you Goldman and crew are about to hose all of you big time. To a lost sheep after the SHTF, a .cheap .22 rifle and a box of ammo, is the difference between life and death itself, they'll trade me their fucking hummer for it when they are starving, they'll give me property for it, hell, they'll trade me their wenches for a bic lighter if they have no way to make fire. |
| I am getting ready, tonight, to go steal a Ferrari! I've always wanted to take one out for a joyride, but could never afford one. What the Hell! The world is ending in 3 days anyway! I'll never make it to trial before SHTF! What if, and I know this is a real stretch of the imagination, since throughout history NOONE has EVER predicted that the world will end or change drastically, we are all here bitching about taxes and health care next year? What if we're all here five years from now, and things haven't changed that drastically? HMMMM........ I stocked up, real cheap, last year, and recently offered some, for sale, this week on Gunbroker. I have made FOUR times what I paid for the ammo, six months ago! The ammo sold out in three days, and I have people offering to buy as much as I can provide! I'm going to make hay while the sun shines! I, realistically, won't need to keep much more than I will shoot this summer. Assuming the very low probability chance of us being here, in a mostly normal world, happens, I'll buy it back for less than what I'm making on it. Of course I am forgetting how badass I really am , and may need 40k rounds instead of 25k for all of the tens of thousands of zombies that I will be piling up! Wait, I forgot about the additional Bowie Kife kills I'll be making when it all goes to shit! Sometimes we need to pop back into reality every once in awhile, between posts! |
