Posted: 10/25/2012 11:29:13 PM EDT
| I had a 4 circuit sub-panel installed for my 8kw, 9kw surge genny to feed into, 220V. The elec. made me a 15ft cord to go from the genny to the plug on the outside wall. This isn't long enough for where I want the genny. What size wire should I use for say 40 feet? |
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40 feet is a long ways! Are you sure you can't get your generator closer or make a more direct route for the cord to go from the generator to where you need it? Eh, it's not that far really. My generator inlet is at my shop building, feeding back through underground conduit to the interlock setup in the house panel 80' (90' wire) away. |
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I bought 80 feet of generator cord at home depot last year. Go to the "wire-by-the-foot" area, and they have a great 6 or 8 gauge 4-wife (two hot, neutral and ground) in a super heavy rubber insulator for around $2.50 or $3/foot. Buy as much as you need, pick up a set of l14-30 connectors, and make your own.
I can generally place my generator within 10 feet of my transfer panel, but the time of year is an issue. If I have 3 feet of snow on the ground, I may have to place the genset a bit further away to facilitate service and refueling. 80' of wire gives me the ability to place it anywhere. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. That type of set up is dangerous to more than just line man a cord plug should never be hot when it is expose to touch. With a plug on both ends if the gen is running and someone didn't know better they could be shock or killed if they touch the plug on the other end. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord Sorry folks, emotions aside the fact is that the cause of the lineman's death would be their failure to follow mandatory safety procedures. If your dad was killed because he was careless and did not test and ground the line before working on it without protective equipment per company safety regulations his death is his own fault. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord Sorry folks, emotions aside the fact is that the cause of the lineman's death would be their failure to follow mandatory safety procedures. If your dad was killed because he was careless and did not test and ground the line before working on it without protective equipment per company safety regulations his death is his own fault. That still would not keep you from being in trouble with the law but linemen a side you would be responsible if a family member or a kid or any other person was hurt or killed becuase of your dangerous and illegal cord. Also if some thing were to happen it would be reason for your insurance to not pay which means you would have to pay it your self. There is no reason to make a hack cord when the parts to do it right are readily available |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord Sorry folks, emotions aside the fact is that the cause of the lineman's death would be their failure to follow mandatory safety procedures. If your dad was killed because he was careless and did not test and ground the line before working on it without protective equipment per company safety regulations his death is his own fault. That still would not keep you from being in trouble with the law but linemen a side you would be responsible if a family member or a kid or any other person was hurt or killed becuase of your dangerous and illegal cord. Also if some thing were to happen it would be reason for your insurance to not pay which means you would have to pay it your self. There is no reason to make a hack cord when the parts to do it right are readily available Well, I don't have any family members to worry about and I use an interlock on my generator feed, however I have used "suicide cords" on occasion when appropriate, and there is nothing illegal about them. There is no charge that can be leveled against a person for owning an electrical cord with a male plug on each end. As for insurance, it would depend on exactly what happened, however since a double male electrical cord is not illegal they would have a difficult time avoiding paying even if the use of said legal electrical cord was negligent. After all negligent operation of a motor vehicle occurs all the time and insurance companies pay on the resulting damage. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord Sorry folks, emotions aside the fact is that the cause of the lineman's death would be their failure to follow mandatory safety procedures. If your dad was killed because he was careless and did not test and ground the line before working on it without protective equipment per company safety regulations his death is his own fault. That still would not keep you from being in trouble with the law but linemen a side you would be responsible if a family member or a kid or any other person was hurt or killed becuase of your dangerous and illegal cord. Also if some thing were to happen it would be reason for your insurance to not pay which means you would have to pay it your self. There is no reason to make a hack cord when the parts to do it right are readily available Well, I don't have any family members to worry about and I use an interlock on my generator feed, however I have used "suicide cords" on occasion when appropriate, and there is nothing illegal about them. There is no charge that can be leveled against a person for owning an electrical cord with a male plug on each end. As for insurance, it would depend on exactly what happened, however since a double male electrical cord is not illegal they would have a difficult time avoiding paying even if the use of said legal electrical cord was negligent. After all negligent operation of a motor vehicle occurs all the time and insurance companies pay on the resulting damage. It is illegal since it would be against the NEC and no inspector would approve of it unless you are saying that where you live there are no electrical inspections. If your house burn down or a neighbor was hurt your insurance could get out of paying due to your setup not being to code. But hey don't take my word for it call you insurance company and tell them about your setup and see what they tell you.You can make all the excuse you want it doesn't change the fact that your cord is dangerous. Just the other day I was reading about a man who was looking at felony charges in the death of a linemen because of the way he hooked up his generator. And there is the case in AL. where a line men was killed because of a impropper generator install and the police are looking for the person responsible so charges can be filed. I know you said you have a interlock but your hack cord is called a suicide cord for a reason |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed That's the myth if you're referring to utility linemen, the reality is that it pretty much never does. Search OSHA reports or the incident reports on powerlineman.com and see if you can find a single report where a utility lineman was killed by an improperly connected home generator. The utility safety rules require the lineman to test and ground every line before they work on it without hotline tools, insulated gloves, etc. so it is simply not possible for them to be injured unless they didn't follow the safety rules. If the generator was powering the line before they started they would find that when they test. If the generator is connected after they have started the line is grounded and thus the generator trips out and the line never reaches a dangerous voltage. In any incidents you find related to improperly connected home generators the cause of the injury to the lineman is not following safety procedures. You would tell that to someones family? "Sorry dude, I didn't mean to kill your dad, but usually it doesn't happen that way. I thought I could cheap out and save some money. Guess it didn't work out so well for your dad." Pretty pathetic response. Not to mention you could goto jail if someis hurt or killed because of poorly install hack of a cord Sorry folks, emotions aside the fact is that the cause of the lineman's death would be their failure to follow mandatory safety procedures. If your dad was killed because he was careless and did not test and ground the line before working on it without protective equipment per company safety regulations his death is his own fault. That still would not keep you from being in trouble with the law but linemen a side you would be responsible if a family member or a kid or any other person was hurt or killed becuase of your dangerous and illegal cord. Also if some thing were to happen it would be reason for your insurance to not pay which means you would have to pay it your self. There is no reason to make a hack cord when the parts to do it right are readily available Well, I don't have any family members to worry about and I use an interlock on my generator feed, however I have used "suicide cords" on occasion when appropriate, and there is nothing illegal about them. There is no charge that can be leveled against a person for owning an electrical cord with a male plug on each end. As for insurance, it would depend on exactly what happened, however since a double male electrical cord is not illegal they would have a difficult time avoiding paying even if the use of said legal electrical cord was negligent. After all negligent operation of a motor vehicle occurs all the time and insurance companies pay on the resulting damage. It is illegal since it would be against the NEC and no inspector would approve of it unless you are saying that where you live there are no electrical inspections. If your house burn down or a neighbor was hurt your insurance could get out of paying due to your setup not being to code. But hey don't take my word for it call you insurance company and tell them about your setup and see what they tell you.You can make all the excuse you want it doesn't change the fact that your cord is dangerous. Just the other day I was reading about a man who was looking at felony charges in the death of a linemen because of the way he hooked up his generator. And there is the case in AL. where a line men was killed because of a impropper generator install and the police are looking for the person responsible so charges can be filed. I know you said you have a interlock but your hack cord is called a suicide cord for a reason The NEC is not law, and where I live there are no electrical inspections. Nor does any electrical inspection even in locations where there are such inspect anything but permanently installed equipment, which an electrical cord with two male plugs does not qualify as. As for your noted cases, look for actual OSHA incident reports and read them carefully. They can make whatever absurd charges they want, however if the facts of the case are presented in court the only possible outcome is full aquittal since the cause of the linemans death in each case will be their failure to follow company mandated safety procedures. |
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Why do people insist on doing it wrong and dangerous when it's relatively cheap and easy to do it right? I'll never understand it. Emergency situations often require emergency measures and the local electrical supply place is usually not open during an emergency. The dangers are also ridiculously overhyped by those with little electrical knowledge. Realize that backfeeding a dryer outlet is virtually no different than feeding a dedicated outlet to an approvied interlock kit. The only differences are the male plug on the inlet vs. female dryer receptacle and the little metal interlock plate at the panel. Everything else is identical. |
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The only differences are the male plug on the inlet vs. female dryer receptacle and the little metal interlock plate at the panel. Everything else is identical. besides the parachute and the backup, everything about jumping out of a plane naked is identical. ar-jedi |
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Electricity has a way of backfeeding and energizing things and creating potential that may never be noticed until some poor sucker comes along and becomes the path to ground.
Re. the original post, you really want the shortest and biggest cord you can manage. You can make your lights with with almost any size wires, but too much voltage drop will put undue wear on motors like furnace blowers and water pumps. It may work today, but you are overheating the windings and melting the insulation. |
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I kind of wish you guys wouldnt turn every decent TECHNICAL THREAD into a GD pissing match. Keep yer damn comments to yourself if you cant add anything worthwhile to the mix. If you disagree, disagree with supporting arguments, not butthurt comments.  People who post stupid things on the internet should either have a stiffer spine or five gallons of Yellow 77. |
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Electricity has a way of backfeeding and energizing things and creating potential that may never be noticed until some poor sucker comes along and becomes the path to ground. Here is the thing: If some civilian wanders into a downed power line after a storm that happens to still be live from the utility and they get fried, does the utility get arrested and charged? If the same civilian wanders into a downed power line after a storm that happens to be live from someone's home generator and they get fried, how is the person with the generator responsible if the utility wouldn't be? If a utility lineman skips safety procedures and is fried working on a downed power line after a storm that is energized with utility power does the utility get arrested and charged? If the same utility lineman skips safety procedures and is fried working on a downed power line after a storm that is energized by someone's home generator, how is the person with the generator responsible if the utility wouldn't be? In both examples the sole cause of the person's injury/death is their own negligence the source of the electrons has no bearing on the incident. You might well find wrongful convictions on the record, due largely to the fact that those who would accidentally back feed don't have enough knowledge to properly defend themselves, but that doesn't change the facts. To further the annalogy, saying that the person producing the electrons with their generator is responsible for a negligent person's death is directly comparable to saying that the manufactuer of a firearm is responsible for someone accidentally shooting themselves with said firearm. Think about it a bit... |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. |
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Why do people insist on doing it wrong and dangerous when it's relatively cheap and easy to do it right? I'll never understand it. Emergency situations often require emergency measures and the local electrical supply place is usually not open during an emergency. The dangers are also ridiculously overhyped by those with little electrical knowledge. Realize that backfeeding a dryer outlet is virtually no different than feeding a dedicated outlet to an approvied interlock kit. The only differences are the male plug on the inlet vs. female dryer receptacle and the little metal interlock plate at the panel. Everything else is identical. Doing it in an emergency or doing it as a matter of routine is not the same thing. Prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance. Failing to plan is planning to fail. When the plan is the bad idea, then your planning skills suck. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. Implied purpose? The person above said he was plugging it into his welder with an adapter, he didn't say he was connecting it to a dryer outlet in this thread 
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. I'm a Lineman and I hope you die of brain cancer. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. I'm a Lineman and I hope you die of brain cancer. If that's your attitude I'm sure you'll get careless one day soon and become another one of the statistics in the OSHA reports. If you can claim that an improperly connected generator presents any actual hazard to you with a straight face you are a better liar than most politicians. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. Implied purpose? The person above said he was plugging it into his welder with an adapter, he didn't say he was connecting it to a dryer outlet in this thread
Not going to kill a lineman with a generator hooked directly to his welder "Quoted: If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder." Not 100% clearly written but sure seems to indicate a "suicide cord" and some additional adapter. |
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If I have to go any distance I get the 60 amp grey covered exterior wire, it's aluminum and $1 and change per foot. You can put any end you want on it. I usually have a dryer plug on each end and an adapter to go to the welder. This is the type of stupid crap the gets people killed I don't see where a male on one end and a female on the other to make an extension cord can kill a person. The first part of the reference is to a double male cordset, one that if one end is plugged into a live source has the other end with exposed live contacts if it is not plugged in, this is overhyped hazard number one. Generally people who know enough to make a "suicide cord" also know enough not to plug the generator end in first and not to touch the contacts on either end in any case. The second part of the reference is the implied purpose of the cordset for use in powering a house from a generator by backfeeding the dryer outlet. Since this is typically done without an interlock setup in the panel, it is possible to do this and leave the main breaker on thus sending power back out to the street. This is overhyped hazard number two. For most people, the cause of a power outage will be some distance away and thus there will be other homes on the same segment of power lines. Backfeeding from a home 5KW genset to this group of houses will result in an immediate trip of the genreators breakers when it sees this large load. If the utility crews are working on the line and following their mandatory safetly procedures the will have connected a grounding jumper to the line providing a positive dead short and your little generator isn't lighting up anything. If the cause of the outage happens to be close to you and there are no neighbors still on the circuit it would be possible for you to power up the primaries, however again, if a utility crew is working on the line and not careless they have grounded it, so you can't power it up. If you already have it powered when they arrive and they aren't careless they test the line, find it's live and then knock on your door and yell at you and/or put you at the very end of the list for restoral. So again both of these issues are vastly overhyped. My comparisons and analogy in the previous post still stand. I'm a Lineman and I hope you die of brain cancer. And unless you don't follow your own safety procedures he has a better chance of being killed by brain cancer than you do of a suicide cord. |