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10/22/2012 9:29:25 AM EDT
Something we never talk about much. Its something that we just dont speak of other than briefly brushing up against while perhaps passing through another topic.

I'm thinking that in certain areas, a boat is a necessity. Lets say someone lives on the Cape, and their BOL is in Maine. Itd be cheaper and faster to haul ass across the bay and have a vehicle parked in Maine for a bugout that it would be to take the 3-4 hours to hammer out the drive just to get to the border of Maine.

Fishing activities notwithstanding, the possibilities for food harvesting and work from a boat are many.

What type of boat would suit you for a survival thing?  How would you equip it? Live-aboard, or escape/evade vehicle?

Discuss.
10/22/2012 10:01:30 AM EDT
[#1]
Can't decide between power or sail boat? This if for sale for only 19 mil
25 knots under power plus sailing ability.



Mit seaAH

Realistically a 30ft sail boat would be in order for fishing and transport but in my AO costal New England you don't want to can't be on the water year round.
10/22/2012 10:29:17 AM EDT
[#2]
I tried setting up a bug out boat it didnt turn out well.




Just kidding, but in all actuality I would guess most people don't live in a place where theis would be practical. If I did I would certainly consider it as an option.
10/22/2012 10:34:06 AM EDT
[#3]
Bug out ultralight? At least that could have applicability throughout most of the country, isn't all that expensive and doesn't require licensing, insurance, etc.
10/22/2012 10:39:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Capt. Nemo had the right idea. You can get everything you need from the sea to survive long term.

I would choose a sailboat in the 40-60ft variety with a wind generator and a radar with perimeter alarm.
10/22/2012 1:27:32 PM EDT
[#5]
If you are assuming that basic regular combustion engine transportation breaks down for some reason, I expect you will see several forms of transportation return .  These will likely be the boat, bicycle and rail cart.  Bikes are great for hauling small loads over moderate distances.  The wife just left to return some books to the library and pick some stuff up.  Its about a 6 six round trip and she's doing it on a bike (like she does six nights a week).  

If you need to haul larger loads, longer distances or you need to cover areas that are interspersed with lakes and rivers its hard to beat a boat.  I own canoes, kayaks, row boats, bouts with outboards, etc but I'd keep by canoe over all the others.  With it I can easily paddle and transport myself, others and or gear great distances quite easily.  And I can transport the boat too.

Sailboats, etc might be great if you are on a single large body of water (think ocean or great lake).  However, around here, I can do more with a 28 lb canoe than I can with a two ton boat.  

kayaks simply are too heavy, with too little load capacity and are too 'wet'.  They are fine on a nice summer day but suck on a cold hypothermia-inducing fall day.  A canoe will haul more, is easier to portage, and is drier.


If engines are stil viable, mu choice is a deep vee 16-17 foot  open boat (no friggin bass boats etc) with a modest (say 25 hp) outboard.  30+ years of living in a cottage on an offgrid island taught us that speed boats, bass boats, tricked out fishing boats are too limited internally (capacity wise), too heavy, and simply do not transport stuff as well as a basic deep vee utulity boat.  And the deep vees are more weather worthy.  The basic tiller handle motor means more internal load space, and its easy to dismount the motor.  Why is this important?  Because there ar times and situations when you want to haul the boat and launch facilities do not always exist.  For example, we haul 16 footers into remote lakes for moose hunting. its easier to haul the boats without the engine on it, especially when the going is really rough.  Got a really big load????  (Think 1200 moose in knee deep water)  It easier to remove the engine, tip the boat on a side, roll the moose in, then bail the boat out, remount the motor and go.  Moose hunting isnt SHTF bu this gives an idea of flexibility.

If you want ideas, look to people who live on islands or remote areas accessible only by boat.  You'll quickly see something common.  Larger simple but relatively light boats (aluminum) wit tiller outboards.  Check the yukon, alaska, anywhere you see Inuit or other natives.


my 2 cents.
10/22/2012 1:45:15 PM EDT
[#6]
I remember reading stories about wealthy folks fleeing South Africa when the .gov was changing.



They were buying expensive boats, sailing away, and selling them either at their final destination or somewhere else abroad to maximize value and minimize taxes.




Interesting way to store and transport wealth.




10/22/2012 4:25:33 PM EDT
[#7]
I would buy a boat big enough that I don't go insane, but am still able to pull up to shore in.  Line the sides with kevlar spaced out to avoid small arms fire damage.  Boats are awesome for EOTW
10/22/2012 4:51:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Bug out ultralight? At least that could have applicability throughout most of the country, isn't all that expensive and doesn't require licensing, insurance, etc.



YES!!!

No one seems to have the interest or motivation.  


10/22/2012 6:15:54 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
If you want ideas, look to people who live on islands or remote areas accessible only by boat.  You'll quickly see something common.  Larger simple but relatively light boats (aluminum) wit tiller outboards.  Check the yukon, alaska, anywhere you see Inuit or other natives.


A friend of mine has a place on an island accessible only by boat. He uses a flat bottom skiff with a small tiller outboard. The amount of stuff he can pack in that boat is amazing. The first time he loaded my 4-wheeler into the boat, I thought he was crazy. After seeing him use a tractor to load a large drum (several hundred gallons and on skids) of diesel fuel into the boat, I know he is crazy; but the boat handled the load.

Accountant
10/22/2012 6:23:08 PM EDT
[#10]
How would an abandoned oil rig fare as a place to live?  That is a friend of mines plan.  What could you do for water assuming you got everything else set up?

10/22/2012 6:26:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Bug out ultralight? At least that could have applicability throughout most of the country, isn't all that expensive and doesn't require licensing, insurance, etc.



YES!!!

No one seems to have the interest or motivation.  




It's hard to lose all your firearms in a tragic ultralight accident.

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10/22/2012 6:35:31 PM EDT
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10/22/2012 9:10:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Capt. Nemo had the right idea. You can get everything you need from the sea to survive long term.

I would choose a sailboat in the 40-60ft variety with a wind generator and a radar with perimeter alarm.


I named my dear departed pooch Captain Nemo. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea was always one of my favorite books. I like your idea about the sailboat. Be sure to get a desalinator, and you'll be gtg!

10/22/2012 9:15:22 PM EDT
[#14]
So guys, what type of boat would benefit you in your AO?

I live about 2 hours inland, so a seagoing vessel just isnt practical. However, a nice 14-16ft aluminum v-hull open utility boat would do the trick. I also have canoes and kayaks.
10/22/2012 9:46:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I tried setting up a bug out boat it didnt turn out well.

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w453/jmalone19/1125915_febb_625x1000.jpg


Just kidding, but in all actuality I would guess most people don't live in a place where theis would be practical. If I did I would certainly consider it as an option.


thats because you have the wrong kind of boat





10/23/2012 4:10:46 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Capt. Nemo had the right idea. You can get everything you need from the sea to survive long term.

I would choose a sailboat in the 40-60ft variety with a wind generator and a radar with perimeter alarm.


I named my dear departed pooch Captain Nemo. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea was always one of my favorite books. I like your idea about the sailboat. Be sure to get a desalinator, and you'll be gtg!



desalinators are great until you run out of filters. A water still can be used on any beach and provide water and salt
10/23/2012 4:21:58 AM EDT
[#17]


Indiana' land locked except for that little pond.  You going to bug out in circles?


10/23/2012 4:46:15 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:


Indiana' land locked except for that little pond.  You going to bug out in circles?




Theres this little thing called lake michigan. Its one of the great lakes.......texans
10/23/2012 5:28:32 AM EDT
[#19]
Ive got mine...

10/23/2012 7:38:12 AM EDT
[#20]
A boat isnt always just for bugging out. How could you use a boat or canoe in your AO? There was a thread here a few months back about some guy who lived on one side of the Mississippi and worked on the other. He was concerned about getting home if the bridge was out. Stashing a small boat, canoe, or kayak can save your hide.

A canoe would be good for setting nets or trotlines...
10/23/2012 7:50:49 AM EDT
[#21]
This boat looks like it could haul your BOV and trailer.  Munson
10/23/2012 9:38:00 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:





This boat looks like it could haul your BOV and trailer.  Munson




http://www.billmunsonboats.com/images/52/52cannavino_beachtruck%20XL.JPG





I should have bought one of those when i had the money.
Here's my boats for do all.




 
 
10/23/2012 9:47:19 AM EDT
[#23]
I have a 17ft canoe that I would not hesitate to use.  Here in Michigan we have lots of rivers that go up into all parts of the state, to say nothing of the Great Lakes.  The area was explored very early and penetrated by trappers and traders because of the accessibility that canoes offer.  You can carry a LOT of gear in a canoe, and take it through very shallow areas.  I've even made my own portage cart out of an old dolly and some BMX wheels for those times when I have to haul the monster a distance.