[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SHTF shotgun (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/7/2012 4:05:47 PM EDT
|
I just sold my 500 and am in the market for a new tactical 12ga. I have always thought that an 870 or 500 would be best due to the mass availability of parts and such but I found a Benelli Supernova, pistol grip and extended tube I think for a great price. Would the Benelli be good to go for a shtf end of days shotty?
Thanks all! Just to debate the issue I am also looking at 887 nitromag tacticals... |
|
I have been eyeing the supernova for awhile.Itis on my list to purchase this year.
I currently own a Benelli M4 which is the bomb. It would not be my SHTF shotgun do to if only holds 5 ( state restriction, if I could put the extender tub on it then it would be my go to Shotgun) As of now my SHTF shotgun is my Mossberg 590 But to answer your question OP , Benelli is an excellent choice ,IMHO |
| i had it all set up ith a 6 shell side saddle, M4 collapsing stock, tri- rail pump with magpul AFG, night bead and a heat shield. I loved it but the price was right and away she went. besides i have kinda always heard 870 > 500 in many ways so i didnt mind losing it since i have an 870 un-modded. and a wingmaster 887 so i am in the market for a tactical 12ga because my wife uses the 870 and my 887 is all set to wax ducks outta the sky. |
|
Should have kept the 500. I put the brownells kit on mine that makes it 7+1. I put a metal safety on it. I took a 4 day shotgun course with it, worked great. All the autos had reliability issues. The Mossbergs autos were total shit. Fired 600 rounds during that 4 day class.
|
|
Quoted:
should have kept your 500 and added some side saddles and a 18 inch barrel. If you want a Benelli Supernova all tricked out then just go buy one, you don't need an excuse to do so. The Benelli looks space age, I would advise getting the ghost ring sights. BT |
|
Well I starte with the 500 persuader so it was already a good shotgun but as I said the price was right and I took the cash to fund my suppressor purchase and now I'm up for a new one. This is turning away from a choice between the 887 and Benelli and becoming a go buy another 500 thread.
The one up at the shop has ghost rings and the ambi sling mount pistol gripped stock |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
870 is a far superior to a 500 Is that why it failed the US Army battery test? The Colt Rail Gun failed the MARSOC trials but they chsoe it any ways. OP...an 870. You need one. The 590 is a close second as I like the saftey better on it but those Mossbergs have a "rattle" inherent tot hem and it bugs the shit out of me. |
| What is this tacticool you speak of? I standard 500 field model will do everything that overpriced piece of Italian shit will do. A shotgun is a functional tool and the more shit you hang from it the less operational it becomes so dont get caught up in the tactical fantasy so many fall victim too. |
| Sounds like you need a shotgun shotgun. Seriously though, as long as its maintained and reliable get the one you want! I have an 835 because I can shoot anything I find including 3.5 inch shells. Quick 30 second barrel change for slugs and a beefier reciever to last longer with those big shells. |
|
I do not know if this is common to Nova's, but I regularly have a problem with one. when waterfowling I sometimes operate the slide in a slower, more controlled manner (habit) so i can unload the gun, change the shell to a different load, etc without the chambered load falling into the swamp. When I do this with my 870 or 500 I have no problem. When I forget thatt I am using the nova, about half the time that gun will lock up so friggin tight with a shell half crammed in and half crammed out of the whole feeding system that I need a knife or tool to pry it free. It works fine when the slide is racked with authority, but woe to you should you work it with less than full enthusiasm. I am not overly impressed, and would NOT recommend it on this basis. Reliability simply is not as good as it is woth a 500 or 870 based on my admittedly limited experience.
(it's a borrowed gun, one that I use when I hunt in Canada. It is easier to borrow one up there, than to frog around at the border bringing one across the line.) |
|
Quoted:
I have a bunch of shotguns, and I have to admit that my all-time fave is an 870P. In my world of prepping and survival, I cant afford something that isnt simple and refuses to work when I ask it. Same here. Since we are sharing, my 870P has the factory mag tube extension, tritium rifle sights, oversized safety, the Hogue 12" lop stock and a single point sling. 
|
|
Quoted: Interesting. I have close to 200 days in the duck blind over the past twelve years with my Nova, and cases upon cases of shotgun shells thru mine without a single hiccup. I do not know if this is common to Nova's, but I regularly have a problem with one. when waterfowling I sometimes operate the slide in a slower, more controlled manner (habit) so i can unload the gun, change the shell to a different load, etc without the chambered load falling into the swamp. When I do this with my 870 or 500 I have no problem. When I forget thatt I am using the nova, about half the time that gun will lock up so friggin tight with a shell half crammed in and half crammed out of the whole feeding system that I need a knife or tool to pry it free. It works fine when the slide is racked with authority, but woe to you should you work it with less than full enthusiasm. I am not overly impressed, and would NOT recommend it on this basis. Reliability simply is not as good as it is woth a 500 or 870 based on my admittedly limited experience. (it's a borrowed gun, one that I use when I hunt in Canada. It is easier to borrow one up there, than to frog around at the border bringing one across the line.) I guess YM really does V. |
|
What the hell are you going to do with hemostats?
Just get multiple pairs of gloves, bandages, and CPR mask. And before all of that, training. The Good Samaritan law protects to an extent. But if you try to needle decompress someone, and you've only had first responder training, good luck in court. |
|
Quoted:
I've been thinking about a shotgun for HD awhile now. Do you need a mounted light? I understand the advantages, I don't like the idea of clearing a house with my kids in it using a gun as a flashlight. can you work a shotgun with one hand or one hand holding a flashlight? lights on guns are fine, you don't have to point the gun at someone to have usable light spilling out in a dark house or room. |
. Also a mag extension so it's 10+1 with 2.75" shells now. It's bitchen 
.
|
Rem 870 or Mossberg 500 are best bang for the buck and proven. Pros and Cons to both.
Mossberg lighter with alloy receiver. Top tang safety is ambi friendly as long as you keep standard style stock - shorter LOP my pref.. Alot factory sight options. Rem 870 steel receiver - but I think smoother operating action. Crossbolt safety better for right handers - but pistol grip AR style stock friendly. Maybe because I'm getting older - but I want my tactical shotgun w/ 18" barrel maybe 1 shot ext at most, 4 rd sidesaddle at most and a short LOP stock. I want it light, fast and handy. Also starting to warm up to Hogue/Blackhawk recoil reducing stock. Might have to buy one. Let us know what you decide. RRA15 |
|
Quoted:
The only problem I have with shotguns is that with buckshot they just kick so damn much - to the point that you don't even want to practice with them unless your shooting bird shot. Have you ever tried running the shotgun with the stock closer to the center of your chest (against your pectoral muscle) rather than in the "pocket" of your shoulder your grandad told you to use for bird hunting? Makes a big difference. |
| M4, M2, and a 590A1 are whats in my safe, the M4 has a collapsable, enlarged bolt release and mag extension, with a short rail up fron for a light if need be, same for my M2, its got a enlarged safety, and bolt realease, a 21" barrel with a tube extension, the 590 well its pretty much good to go from the start. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
The only problem I have with shotguns is that with buckshot they just kick so damn much - to the point that you don't even want to practice with them unless your shooting bird shot. Have you ever tried running the shotgun with the stock closer to the center of your chest (against your pectoral muscle) rather than in the "pocket" of your shoulder your grandad told you to use for bird hunting? Makes a big difference. Federal low recoil flight controlled buckshot. |
| After having shot the 870,Benelli M4 and 590 I'll take my 590 hands down no questions asked! I have put around about 10,000 rounds through mine and never have had a problem with any ammo I have used. Can't say the same for the 870 and Benelli. I have had mine since 1997 it was the first firearm I bought on my 18th birthday |
|
Quoted:
I've been thinking about a shotgun for HD awhile now. Do you need a mounted light? A light is always a requirement when dealing with home defense and low light. A mounted light is FAR FAR easier and more effective than a hand held light. I understand the advantages, I don't like the idea of clearing a house with my kids in it using a gun as a flashlight.
A perfect example of WHY you need training with the light. One can use a mounted light inside the home to ID a target w/o having to point the firearm at the potential threat. |
|
Quoted:
What about a 590? Durable - heavy duty shotgun. I had one for a while, then I sold it. It was built like a tank - and weighed like one too. I hear people say the 870 is heavy compared to the 500 - well the 870 feels like a feather compared to the 590 IMHO. Fully load that long magazine tube and the it gets really nose heavy. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
What about a 590? Durable - heavy duty shotgun. I had one for a while, then I sold it. It was built like a tank - and weighed like one too. I hear people say the 870 is heavy compared to the 500 - well the 870 feels like a feather compared to the 590 IMHO. Fully load that long magazine tube and the it gets really nose heavy. Between the M4, M2 and the 590A1, they all have their pros and cons, the 590A1's weight is nice though, as it helps absorb recoil, but then again with the M4 I can keep a pop can in the air while I unload it, something the 590 cant do, the M2 can but not as well, the M4 will eat anything thrown at it, once its properly broke in, thats one thing the M2 isnt as good at, but it costs allot less, and with some refinements it also is a fine shotgun. |