Posted: 5/12/2012 8:05:15 AM EDT
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How much cash does the hive mind believe is appropriate to keep in your BOB/GHB? Also, what denominations? Rolls of coins, singles?
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Quoted:Too much cash in your vehicle would be subject to confiscation without proof of wrong doing. Then it is up to YOU to prove that you did not come by said cash illegally
Actually you are 180 degrees off. The judicial system in the USA is based on presumed innocence, and must prove with reasonable doubt that you are guilty of accused crime. This is not saying that local law cant hold you and the cash until they decide they cant find anything on you and let you go. They can hold you long enough to check you out, maybe even sweat you with questioning, but if you are on the up and up, they'll boot you to the curb with your wad after a while. All this aside, I would say that $1000 in bills is the most anyone should carry imho. Of course, a lot has to be said about your appearance, and how/why you were stopped and searched anyway. If you look like a dirtbag, have a gun in your vehicle or on your person, a cooler within sight of the LEO, suspicions will be raised. |
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Too much cash in you vehicle would be subject to confiscation without proof of wrong doing. Then it is up to YOU to prove that you did not come by said cash illegally.  You can say that again. 400.00 on a payday bought me about 6 hours worth of 'questions' one night several years back. that said, I keep about 100.00 in my get home bag ranging from 20.00 to quarters. If I have to bug out... the correct answer is "all of it" or "what money" depending on who's asking. |
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Actually you are 180 degrees off. The judicial system in the USA is based on presumed innocence, and must prove with reasonable doubt that you are guilty of accused crime. This is not saying that local law cant hold you and the cash until they decide they cant find anything on you and let you go. They can hold you long enough to check you out, maybe even sweat you with questioning, but if you are on the up and up, they'll boot you to the curb with your wad after a while. All this aside, I would say that $1000 in bills is the most anyone should carry imho. Of course, a lot has to be said about your appearance, and how/why you were stopped and searched anyway. If you look like a dirtbag, have a gun in your vehicle or on your person, a cooler within sight of the LEO, suspicions will be raised. Don't want to bust your bubble Kibby, but under RICO the Police can "arrest" your cash if they feel like it, they do not even need probable cause, just a suspicion. And since money and property are not people, they do not have the right of habeas corpus, so they can hold on to that money or property for as long as they like. And there is no set way of getting that money back so it can be very time consuming and costly. The police have been doing it for years up and down 95 and all over this country. Their motivation is that their departments get to keep a portion of the proceeds and the rest gets split up between the state and the feds. Land of the free baby! 
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Actually you are 180 degrees off. The judicial system in the USA is based on presumed innocence, and must prove with reasonable doubt that you are guilty of accused crime. This is not saying that local law cant hold you and the cash until they decide they cant find anything on you and let you go. They can hold you long enough to check you out, maybe even sweat you with questioning, but if you are on the up and up, they'll boot you to the curb with your wad after a while. All this aside, I would say that $1000 in bills is the most anyone should carry imho. Of course, a lot has to be said about your appearance, and how/why you were stopped and searched anyway. If you look like a dirtbag, have a gun in your vehicle or on your person, a cooler within sight of the LEO, suspicions will be raised. Don't want to bust your bubble Kibby, but under RICO the Police can "arrest" your cash if they feel like it, they do not even need probable cause, just a suspicion. And since money and property are not people, they do not have the right of habeas corpus, so they can hold on to that money or property for as long as they like. And there is no set way of getting that money back so it can be very time consuming and costly. The police have been doing it for years up and down 95 and all over this country. Their motivation is that their departments get to keep a portion of the proceeds and the rest gets split up between the state and the feds. Land of the free baby!
stasiman Land of the Free is right. Still, cops in other countries would probably just take it and not give it back. Thanks for the RICO reminder. I looked it up and it looks like they can do WTF ever they want to concerning suspicious behavior now. |
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Actually you are 180 degrees off. The judicial system in the USA is based on presumed innocence, and must prove with reasonable doubt that you are guilty of accused crime. This is not saying that local law cant hold you and the cash until they decide they cant find anything on you and let you go. They can hold you long enough to check you out, maybe even sweat you with questioning, but if you are on the up and up, they'll boot you to the curb with your wad after a while. All this aside, I would say that $1000 in bills is the most anyone should carry imho. Of course, a lot has to be said about your appearance, and how/why you were stopped and searched anyway. If you look like a dirtbag, have a gun in your vehicle or on your person, a cooler within sight of the LEO, suspicions will be raised. Kibby, you must not have read much about asset forfeiture. If you get pulled over and you've got $10k in 20s sitting on the seat, you better believe it's going to get seized as drug money. The judicial system is based on people being presumed innocent. Cash ain't a "people", so it gets presumed guilty and you get to prove it's legit. |
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Quoted: Too much cash in you vehicle would be subject to confiscation without proof of wrong doing. Then it is up to YOU to prove that you did not come by said cash illegally. It taught that that's what you have guns for. When shtf everybodywill try everything from you anyway |
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Actually you are 180 degrees off. The judicial system in the USA is based on presumed innocence, and must prove with reasonable doubt that you are guilty of accused crime. This is not saying that local law cant hold you and the cash until they decide they cant find anything on you and let you go. They can hold you long enough to check you out, maybe even sweat you with questioning, but if you are on the up and up, they'll boot you to the curb with your wad after a while. All this aside, I would say that $1000 in bills is the most anyone should carry imho. Of course, a lot has to be said about your appearance, and how/why you were stopped and searched anyway. If you look like a dirtbag, have a gun in your vehicle or on your person, a cooler within sight of the LEO, suspicions will be raised. Kibby, I usually agree w/ you but abt this you are 180 degrees wrong. Study this link for an example. http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=205794 Some folks haven't come to terms w/ where we're heading or have gotten. |
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Wonders if a pre paid Visa/MC/Amex are worth using? Heck it looks like a credit card, wonder how many would give it a second thought.
Are travelers checks still around? You could have insured money for loss. Cops arrest your money you call cancel and get your money back from the issuing company. |
Seems to me that, in the context of having a CWL with weapon, and an obvious GHB/BOB with fak, socks, underwear, tp, spare boots, food, water/filter, knife, machete, pen/paper, etc., in your vehicle, that the police would be much less likely to REASONABLY stretch your cash stash to being drug money (I suppose if you had 20k on you the stakes would be raised). I'm not saying they wouldn't do it, but I'm not too worried about that, especially when you add in my profession (evidenced by my business cards), my lack of a criminal record (they'll check that), a perfectly plausible story (emergency fund, mid-life crisis spending money), my middle-age whiteness, whatever. 
I keep some extra hundreds and 20s on my person, as well as trying to always have enough smaller bills to make change. Never know when you'll need to call a tow truck, to buy a used tire, buy a pistol from an acquaintance, or whatever. They're obviously not the average person, but I bet there are more people than most reailize who are walking around with $1000 or more. |
| wife and I have debated many times over this one. Our BOBs have $100 in tens/twenties hidden in each plus some quarters and singles easily accessible for vending machines. Then we both carry an extra $100 in our wallet/purse. That way we don't have too much money in one place but figure a couple hundred should get us back to our meeting place. I think too much cash on your person or in the car could be a concern. Then extra cash stashed at home and in our safety deposit box at the bank so we have multiple storage locations in case of SHTF. We probably are a bit low on the cash reserves compared to alot of ARFers but have been focusing on getting our food/water storage up to 12 month supply as our priority. |
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Pre paid CC doesn't due shit if the power is down or said merchant does not accept plastic in the first place.
As for travelers checks, try using them on a normal day.PIA. In a SHTF scenario you might as well use toilet paper. Cash is king. How much you keep on hand is at your own comfort level. |
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Cash is still king and even more so in any SHTF scenario.
If you want to buy $10 worth of gas at the only station that still has power then have a $10 bill handy. If you need to bribe the FEMA camp guard then have $5k in hundreds rolled up and secreted in your rectum. Make it appropriate to the time and place. Always have some walking around money on you. You'd be surprised what people will do for money (or maybe not). But even under ordinary circumstances a well laid $20, $50 or C-note will get you what you want. |
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I would also caution people who think a safety deposit box is a good place to store money in a SHTF scenario.
If the power is out the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If Ahmed drops a nuke near you the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If the economy shits the bed and there is a bank run,the bank will close and you guessed it your not getting your money. There are plenty of places in your own homes to hide money where it is just as safe as a bank. |
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I would also caution people who think a safety deposit box is a good place to store money in a SHTF scenario. If the power is out the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If Ahmed drops a nuke near you the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If the economy shits the bed and there is a bank run,the bank will close and you guessed it your not getting your money. There are plenty of places in your own homes to hide money where it is just as safe as a bank. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1319104_A_simple__5_hiding_spot_for_any_house_or_apartment_.html 
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I would also caution people who think a safety deposit box is a good place to store money in a SHTF scenario. If the power is out the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If Ahmed drops a nuke near you the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If the economy shits the bed and there is a bank run,the bank will close and you guessed it your not getting your money. There are plenty of places in your own homes to hide money where it is just as safe as a bank. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1319104_A_simple__5_hiding_spot_for_any_house_or_apartment_.html Exactly but so any people think that putting cash in a safety deposit box is safe and easy access able way to get cash. The link has some good places but I have others that are better and safer(safe from fire as well as theft) |
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I would also caution people who think a safety deposit box is a good place to store money in a SHTF scenario. If the power is out the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If Ahmed drops a nuke near you the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If the economy shits the bed and there is a bank run,the bank will close and you guessed it your not getting your money. There are plenty of places in your own homes to hide money where it is just as safe as a bank. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1319104_A_simple__5_hiding_spot_for_any_house_or_apartment_.html Exactly but so any people think that putting cash in a safety deposit box is safe and easy access able way to get cash. The link has some good places but I have others that are better and safer(safe from fire as well as theft) Share the wealth, Brother 
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I would also caution people who think a safety deposit box is a good place to store money in a SHTF scenario. If the power is out the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If Ahmed drops a nuke near you the bank is not opening and you are not getting your money. If the economy shits the bed and there is a bank run,the bank will close and you guessed it your not getting your money. There are plenty of places in your own homes to hide money where it is just as safe as a bank. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1319104_A_simple__5_hiding_spot_for_any_house_or_apartment_.html Exactly but so any people think that putting cash in a safety deposit box is safe and easy access able way to get cash. The link has some good places but I have others that are better and safer(safe from fire as well as theft) Share the wealth, Brother Here are a few: 1). I have a few PTR-91 magazines that I took the spring out of that you can put a decent amount of cash in,put them in the gun vault .Thief just thinks it is empty mags.besides if he gets in the gun vault empty mags are the last thing he would look at.Safe and fire resistant. Magazines are .97 each so ost is minimal. 2). I have a old VCR that I took the guts out of works as a great hiding place for cash,jewels gold and silver coins.Use a VCR because just about no one uses VCR anymore .the VCR is actually so old it is big enough to hold a small drawer safe. 3) . In garage a coffee can filled with screws misc washers,except the can is only filled a third of the way with a fake bottom,the rest is open for valuables.Can and lid are metal,not plastic. 4). I have heard of people using door frames( I don't but some have for gold/silver coins). 5). my wife likes the security cans(fake soda cans) I always pick that one when grabbing a soda...I don't like it. Use your imagination tailor it to your lifestyle and your home and family . I have others but I am going to play the OPSEC card. |
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In the '05 Rita clusterfuck all of the gas stations and other stores were stripped dry of gas and food the first day (first few hours, really), and all ATMs were stripped dry. We did BO that day, were more lucky than many in that our BO only took about 9 or so hours (for a normally 2.5 hour drive), and I know some others spent roughly 22 hours doing the same drive who left an hour behind me... But points being relevant to this thread: 1) ATMs cleaned out lickety split, so no new cash sources, and 2) nothing left to buy soon after anyway, so $$ would not have been of much use.
I keep a small amount of cash with the BO gear, probably going to add a little more to it, but my thinking is that if you don't have it already when you BO then don't plan on being able to get it. I look at $$ on the road as a device to grease the wheels a bit, or possibly get a night in a hotel. Our BOL is roughly 150 miles away and we are going by vehicle or not at all due to physical restraints of family members. Generally it's a day trip even under shitty conditions. I have a roll of quarters (will add another one), and a bunch of small bills. Twentys to round things out, but emphasis on small denominations. What was mentioned earlier about no change for anything was true. We picked up some scraps from Taco Bell on the way and got no change on the $20. I didn't give a shit, made the family happy... But something close to exact change would have been nice. Call it situational inflation. |
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I'll take a different tactic.
At times I have a substantial amount of cash. Sometimes its only a couple of hundred, but there are times and situations when I have 2-3K. Example: I'm on a 1500 miles road trip. Cash fixes many problems. As for RICO: Some dude with $3,000 driving around in a crapped out car or otherwise seemingly like 'this dude shouldn't have this kinda money" raises flags. In my case, I shouldn't really have to offer an explanation but I have one ready. Yes officer. That is a lot of money. But we've been setting that aside for this vacation, and that cash right there is this vacation money. In addition I can prove that money isn't illicit. A bank statement and/or the checkbook can easily show that $3,000 is not 'illicit' but rather a withdrawal from an exisiting account with a substantial balance well in excess of any amount of cash in my pocket. Some dick cop might try to grab my cash. Its possible. But my response will be a very calm, very controlled, very respectful reply: "Officer, I hold investment accounts with substantiall balances. Every dollar in those accounts can be traced and can prove where that money came from (income, capital gains, dividends, interest and an inheritance). All appropriate state and federal taxes were paid on those dollars. Furthermore, I can prove that money right there was legally withdrawn from such accounts. You can take that cash if you need to, but I can prove its legal, and then you, your supervisor and your entire department are going to have to explain why you are taking my vacation money. " At that point I welcome the subsequent shit storm if peckerhead walks off with my money. Media absolutely LOVES this kind of story. I'm lilly freaking white and as pure as the driven snow with regards to those dollars, and LEO are going to come off as petty theives. Its going to cost them faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr more than my $3,000 by the time this is done. And yes, I hae no problem spending $25,000 to regain my $3,000 if I'm pisssed off and out for blood. Fro |