Posted: 4/7/2012 4:56:24 AM EDT
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With the mess down in Florida, the economy, and the fact that summer is upon us, I've been seeing a lot more fights, brawls, gang violence, and crime in my city.
Living on the outskirts of the ghetto and the increase in problems I've been having with the locals including property damage, finding used condoms thrown in my yard, urinating on the side of my business in broad daylight, and having a woman attempt to run me over when I asked her to leave recently, I'm moving my preps towards the violence that I foresee over the next few months. I don't leave the house without my carry gun at all now, and I'm keeping rifle and pistol mags in my truck now. If Obama loses this election, this city is likely to burn. I've got food and supplies to get out, now I'm making sure I can survive long enough protection wise to break the 150 mile surrounding ghetto zone. |
We live in a nice-looking ghetto. If you are just driving through it looks perfectly average, middle class, until you look a little closer and see the gang tags on the mailboxes and see the ghetto rats come out of their houses. It wasn't nearly this bad 7 years ago when we moved in here; right now I think that aside from us there is only one white family left in the neighborhood, everyone else has fled. Unfortunately we are underwater and stuck here for several more years... Bought at the wrong time. 
I have no illusions that we can ride out any social unrest here. I have hardened what I can against crime but at the first sign of real trouble we are getting the F out of here. I moved most of my stores to the BOL last year, just keep enough on hand for maybe a month here, enough to ride out hurricanes and other such events, but anything worse and we are BO, realistically anything that looks like it will go longer than a week or two or involve any racial social unrest and we are out of here ASAP. The tension is palpable now. The blacks give me evil stares driving to my house. When I go out to walk or run I don't dare go unarmed. The kids playing basketball in the street won't even move out of the street for your car, they just stand there and stare at you, daring you to do something. Most of our immediate neighbors are GTG, in fact most of the adults in the neighborhood are OK (except for the Katrina transplants whom everybody hates), but their kids are a bunch of monsters. This place is gonna blow someday. |
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I can't stress enough, the value of voting with your feet. Granted, I don't have a business to uproot, (my business IS the "less than stellar" behavior of feral communities) but, moving as far from it as possible has done more for the quality of life for myself and my family than I can account for. It's a 60 mile commute, but the time and fuel expense has been worth it for me. |
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J- I can't stress enough, the value of voting with your feet. Granted, I don't have a business to uproot, (my business IS the "less than stellar" behavior of feral communities) but, moving as far from it as possible has done more for the quality of life for myself and my family than I can account for. It's a 60 mile commute, but the time and fuel expense has been worth it for me. Unfortunately I can't. Business is doing well and is over 110 years old. The neighborhood has fallen in around us and there is a small square strip of neighborhood left. Right now most have a false sense of security since the local PD is quick to respond to calls from those in the neighborhood. I can see the writing on the walls, and it is written in blood and char. Had 2 drive by shootings a couple blocks from me the other night. Fun times
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| Reading the posts from you guys living in uncomfortable neighborhoods make me feel naive. I'm happy to live out here in the woods like I do. The trade off is no 3G service, and all the other trappings of modern life. It takes us an hour drive if we want to see a movie - stuff like that. |
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J- I can't stress enough, the value of voting with your feet. Granted, I don't have a business to uproot, (my business IS the "less than stellar" behavior of feral communities) but, moving as far from it as possible has done more for the quality of life for myself and my family than I can account for. It's a 60 mile commute, but the time and fuel expense has been worth it for me. Unfortunately I can't. Business is doing well and is over 110 years old. The neighborhood has fallen in around us and there is a small square strip of neighborhood left. Right now most have a false sense of security since the local PD is quick to respond to calls from those in the neighborhood. I can see the writing on the walls, and it is written in blood and char. Had 2 drive by shootings a couple blocks from me the other night. Fun times
Time to start buying up the houses and renting them out to a safer class of people. |
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I can't speak for OP, but like him it is just not economically feasible for me to move at this time. Most people can't just up and move... As soon as we can get out of here we will, but in the meantime... BO plans are paramount.
I will happily drive an extra half hour to work to get out of this place. Just can't get rid of the house at this time. |
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You either get out ahead of time or ride it out until things calm down a bit.
I can't imagine trying to evac in the middle of a riot-torn city. You're just another target. Look at that Youtube video posted in GD this morning about the rioting after Rodney King. Imagine trying to evac through that. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1308696_Regarding_Treyvon____here_s_what_could_happen_again__This_could_be_your_wife_or_mom___.html |
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I can't speak for OP, but like him it is just not economically feasible for me to move at this time. Most people can't just up and move... As soon as we can get out of here we will, but in the meantime... BO plans are paramount. I will happily drive an extra half hour to work to get out of this place. Just can't get rid of the house at this time. What could be more important than your families safety and peace of mind? For me life is too short to spend any more of it in the circumstances you are describing. Houses can be rented, or sold on a short sale. As your neighborhood gets worse won't your house keep declining in value? Its kinda like the opposite of playing the lottery, every day. Obviously all personal decisions, but for me being safe and happy at home is not something I try to work into my budget, it comes first and I budget around whats left. |
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I can't speak for OP, but like him it is just not economically feasible for me to move at this time. Most people can't just up and move... As soon as we can get out of here we will, but in the meantime... BO plans are paramount. I will happily drive an extra half hour to work to get out of this place. Just can't get rid of the house at this time. What could be more important than your families safety and peace of mind? For me life is too short to spend any more of it in the circumstances you are describing. Houses can be rented, or sold on a short sale. As your neighborhood gets worse won't your house keep declining in value? Its kinda like the opposite of playing the lottery, every day. Obviously all personal decisions, but for me being safe and happy at home is not something I try to work into my budget, it comes first and I budget around whats left. We are enough underwater that selling is just not feasible right now. I don't make a whole lot of $$ and simply can't cover the difference. We are that much underwater mostly because of all of the Katrina fucks who have rolled in over the years and killed our property values (did I mention everyone hates them here?). I am working on a plan, but it's not exactly the sort of thing one can accomplish overnight. As I said, few people can simply pull up roots and leave their homes, it takes time, money, and a plan. Anyway, we have a pretty well developed BO plan and a good BOL, and as long as we get a small amount of lead time (10 minutes if I am here, 45 minutes or so if I am at work) we shouldn't have a problem getting out. I don't see this neighborhood erupting into an instant riot; the kids may be monsters but like I said, most of the adults are more or less OK and many of them will not put up with that BS. The only likely way we get stuck here is if we just aren't paying attention for several days, which isn't going to happen. ETA our area is not a traditional inner city ghetto, we are in a residential suburban type area that is simply going downhill fast. We are closer to the edge of the city (Houston) than the center. There are no shopping areas in our immediate vicinity (which means no riot-magnets). Most of the residents here are lower-middle and middle class minorities. So it's going downhill, but not the tinderbox location that an inner city ghetto is. We are about 2 minutes from the freeway that is part of our BO route, and have several alternate routes planned. |
My heart goes out to any of you who live in a crumbling neighborhood. Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that five minorities were shot somewhere yesterday, and apparently three died. They were quick to point out that a white van with a white driver was seen in the area of three of the shootings. It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings. They won't be content until our cities burn 
Right now my girls are in Boston for the weekend, and with everything going on I really wish they were here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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My heart goes out to any of you who live in a crumbling neighborhood. Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that five minorities were shot somewhere yesterday, and apparently three died. They were quick to point out that a white van with a white driver was seen in the area of three of the shootings. It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings. They won't be content until our cities burn
Right now my girls are in Boston for the weekend, and with everything going on I really wish they were here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile "It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings." I'd suggest the reason Media is doing this, has nothing to do with Ratings... They're doing it for far more sinister reasons. |
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Can't just up and leave right now as much as I'd like to. I looked at working in the oil fields, but I hear things are actually pretty bad out there as well. I know where I'd like to be, but job market there is non existent.
For now I sleep with 2 loaded guns beside my bed and the knowledge that I'm ready to use them if the need arises. I see people murdered and dismembered on a regular basis, hesitation isn't in my blood. Luckily I'm single and don't have a so/wife and kids to think about. |
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My heart goes out to any of you who live in a crumbling neighborhood. Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that five minorities were shot somewhere yesterday, and apparently three died. They were quick to point out that a white van with a white driver was seen in the area of three of the shootings. It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings. They won't be content until our cities burn
Right now my girls are in Boston for the weekend, and with everything going on I really wish they were here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile "It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings." I'd suggest the reason Media is doing this, has nothing to do with Ratings... They're doing it for far more sinister reasons. REALLY scary where this country can fracture. Race, economic status, region, etc...it's gonna be a shitstorm for sure |
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ETA our area is not a traditional inner city ghetto, we are in a residential suburban type area that is simply going downhill fast. We are closer to the edge of the city (Houston) than the center. There are no shopping areas in our immediate vicinity (which means no riot-magnets). Most of the residents here are lower-middle and middle class minorities. So it's going downhill, but not the tinderbox location that an inner city ghetto is. We are about 2 minutes from the freeway that is part of our BO route, and have several alternate routes planned. If it's going downhill fast, consider that there may not be any digging out of a deepening hole. If that's truly the case, time to re-evaluate your options. Had a friend that used to talk about his goal to drain the swamp (he loved alligators). At the first sight of more alligators than you can win an easy fight against, the goal is to flee to safety while planning on another swamp to drain later. |
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My heart goes out to any of you who live in a crumbling neighborhood. Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that five minorities were shot somewhere yesterday, and apparently three died. They were quick to point out that a white van with a white driver was seen in the area of three of the shootings. It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings. They won't be content until our cities burn
Right now my girls are in Boston for the weekend, and with everything going on I really wish they were here. "It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings." I'd suggest the reason Media is doing this, has nothing to do with Ratings... They're doing it for far more sinister reasons. Your probably right Expy-I haven't thought the big picture aspect of this all the way through. ETA: Good God... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Location. Location, Location.
Brother you have to move to be safe of even feel safe. You can build a fortress and not feel safe. There are a few families on the Doomsday Preppers that live in the city and now every one of their neighbors knows what they have. Its guaranteed they will be visited by neighbors in an emergency. Even if you take out any SHTF events you dont want to live in area like that. |
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My heart goes out to any of you who live in a crumbling neighborhood. Just a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that five minorities were shot somewhere yesterday, and apparently three died. They were quick to point out that a white van with a white driver was seen in the area of three of the shootings. It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings. They won't be content until our cities burn
Right now my girls are in Boston for the weekend, and with everything going on I really wish they were here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile "It sickens me that the MSM seems to be content with fanning the flames of racial tension in order to get ratings." I'd suggest the reason Media is doing this, has nothing to do with Ratings... They're doing it for far more sinister reasons. I was thinkiing the same thing, and it plays right into the race and class warfare being played out by the POTUS. |
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Jsmith I think your best bet would honestly be a boat. If anything even a little jon boat can get you across that portion of water you are near into a much friendlier area. Can have a boat with motor for under a grand.
The peninsula is a death trap, especially where you are at. I know when I lived there I tried thinking of a bug out plan and a boat kept coming to mind as the best plan. Huge bottle neck because of all the water. All the exit routes go through problem areas. Not to mention the criminals moving north-north east from the bigger and even worse ghettos. They will be converging on my old neighborhood and your current one (if I remember right) for revenge and looting. I tried to keep everything vague for opsec etc. IM me if you want specific clarifications on what I was talking about. |
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The place I work in already has 2 incidents stewing that could make for riots in the very near future. What is very curious is to why the local Occupy movement is walking side by side with the Black Panthers in these racially charged matters. Fortunately, my family lives far enough away from where I work, I don't have to worry for them. I don't care what it costs you, now is a great time to get out of the urban areas if you can. |
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Relocate now. Fuggit. I got out of Frisco. Me too. I moved to Utah directly from living in downtown San Francisco. I've been here six years. Every time work sends me to San Francisco on business, I almost kiss the ground when I land back in Salt Lake. That Rodney King link in this thread makes my blood run cold and reminds me of why I carry a Glock instead of a J frame. What a horror and a nightmare for those drivers caught in that mess. |
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Jsmith I think your best bet would honestly be a boat. If anything even a little jon boat can get you across that portion of water you are near into a much friendlier area. Can have a boat with motor for under a grand. The peninsula is a death trap, especially where you are at. I know when I lived there I tried thinking of a bug out plan and a boat kept coming to mind as the best plan. Huge bottle neck because of all the water. All the exit routes go through problem areas. Not to mention the criminals moving north-north east from the bigger and even worse ghettos. They will be converging on my old neighborhood and your current one (if I remember right) for revenge and looting. I tried to keep everything vague for opsec etc. IM me if you want specific clarifications on what I was talking about. Got the boat ready brother. My previous plan was to move SW through Suffolk and then follow 58 all the way out and back to SWVA to meet up with friends. Unfortunately I'm afraid even that route may not be viable any more. Current plan dictates hitting Gloucster then using the backroads up through the Northern Neck bypassing Richmond and then looping up and around 295 before cutting back Southwest staying as far North of 81 possible. Long term plan is to eventually get my pilots license and a small plane. Leave plane at the Suffolk airport, and be able to fly into rural retreat airport south of Roanoke. Stash a KLR650 at a friends house about a half days hike south of there and then bug out to some land in Smythe or Grayson county. Still about 10 years away from this plan though. |
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...What is very curious is to why the local Occupy movement is walking side by side with the Black Panthers in these racially charged matters... Remember that in many of the Occupy "camps" they had Black Panthers acting as their own little "police force" inside the camps. They got pretty chummy during that episode, I think. The Occupy people are useful idiots, and I think from the BP perspective, what is wrong with using some white folks to tear down other white folks? At any rate, leftists are all peas in a pod despite their little pet projects. They all want to tear down the existing system and will work together to do it. Occupy is coming back this spring, too. Expect the BPs to make a killing selling Trayvon shirts at the rallies this year. |
| Risking your life staying in a place like that is not worth making a buck. I suggest move, sell business or comute to it and get your home on the market if you own it. If not, rent it out. Living in fear, as your original post suggests, is not healthy in so many ways. Good luck. |
| Relocate. I hate to say it but it needs to happen. I did two years ago. We lived in what we though was a nicer area of denver. Within a year it was ghetto goblin central. We moved further south and so far its has worked out for us. The biggest threat is a small group of the yutes but they're nothing to really worry about. If SHTF we have several main and secondary roads to BO on. And only about one or two would pose a significant risk. |
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Quoted: Risking your life staying in a place like that is not worth making a buck. I suggest move, sell business or comute to it and get your home on the market if you own it. If not, rent it out. Living in fear, as your original post suggests, is not healthy in so many ways. Good luck. i can never understand why some will stay when its that bad. Then again, some advocate it, Im working on getting out where we are to smaller town..30-40 min drive to work, etc. All for one reason. So my family can live with out watching fights, jerry springer like ghetto queens yelling and drug deals on our front door steps...... I'd rather deal with the drive, and the lack of "big city" life than any of that crap anymore. |
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Relocate now. Fuggit. I got out of Frisco. Me too. I moved to Utah directly from living in downtown San Francisco. I've been here six years. Every time work sends me to San Francisco on business, I almost kiss the ground when I land back in Salt Lake. That Rodney King link in this thread makes my blood run cold and reminds me of why I carry a Glock instead of a J frame. What a horror and a nightmare for those drivers caught in that mess. Carry both! 
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Jsmith I think your best bet would honestly be a boat. If anything even a little jon boat can get you across that portion of water you are near into a much friendlier area. Can have a boat with motor for under a grand. The peninsula is a death trap, especially where you are at. I know when I lived there I tried thinking of a bug out plan and a boat kept coming to mind as the best plan. Huge bottle neck because of all the water. All the exit routes go through problem areas. Not to mention the criminals moving north-north east from the bigger and even worse ghettos. They will be converging on my old neighborhood and your current one (if I remember right) for revenge and looting. I tried to keep everything vague for opsec etc. IM me if you want specific clarifications on what I was talking about. Got the boat ready brother. My previous plan was to move SW through Suffolk and then follow 58 all the way out and back to SWVA to meet up with friends. Unfortunately I'm afraid even that route may not be viable any more. Current plan dictates hitting Gloucster then using the backroads up through the Northern Neck bypassing Richmond and then looping up and around 295 before cutting back Southwest staying as far North of 81 possible. Long term plan is to eventually get my pilots license and a small plane. Leave plane at the Suffolk airport, and be able to fly into rural retreat airport south of Roanoke. Stash a KLR650 at a friends house about a half days hike south of there and then bug out to some land in Smythe or Grayson county. Still about 10 years away from this plan though. I'll meet you there
Not a bad plan - 58 is on my list of possibles too. Unfortunately, even south-side has limited egress methods until you're almost to N. Carolina. But, that being said, I think you'd still be OK. At least that I've seen, it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Most people I think will stay on 664 and try to head up to the peninsula. One of these days I have to sit down w/ my map and figure some methods out, but I've already scouted a few routes out of town. Downside is they're all 1-lane type routes. Fortunately, my neighborhood, though about 60/40 black/white, is decent. Nearly everyone is military. Kids play, know us, don't have the "I'm a little thug" attitude. All the immediate neighbors are on a first name basis, or at least good enough that we talk casually. Down side is 3 blocks away is pretty much an old neighborhood and a bit more hood'ish. 15 more months and we're moving ... |
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The kids playing basketball in the street won't even move out of the street for your car, they just stand there and stare at you, daring you to do something. Why do you think they call us "honkys". Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Because that's the last thing they heard before we ran over them  
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Riots are my concern. Out of control parentless children scare me more than anything. There DNA donors aren't far behind. We have more and more thug wanna bees around our area. Luckily we have a ton of roads to take to get out if need be. I hope I never have to leave my home or use a gun for protection. But I am prepared to do so if need be.
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Jsmith I think your best bet would honestly be a boat. If anything even a little jon boat can get you across that portion of water you are near into a much friendlier area. Can have a boat with motor for under a grand. The peninsula is a death trap, especially where you are at. I know when I lived there I tried thinking of a bug out plan and a boat kept coming to mind as the best plan. Huge bottle neck because of all the water. All the exit routes go through problem areas. Not to mention the criminals moving north-north east from the bigger and even worse ghettos. They will be converging on my old neighborhood and your current one (if I remember right) for revenge and looting. I tried to keep everything vague for opsec etc. IM me if you want specific clarifications on what I was talking about. I dont think I have it as bad as J Smith, but my new job has me at the edge of D.C. Once I get settled in I'm getting a boat and a folding bike. If SHTF I'll max harden the house. Throw my BOB's in the boat, back the trailer into the water then, park and deadline the car and hope for the best regarding any property left behind. Keep in mind times are very different now then they were in '91. A lot more people are armed and ready and very few white people are tuning out reality like they did last time. |
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J- I can't stress enough, the value of voting with your feet. Granted, I don't have a business to uproot, (my business IS the "less than stellar" behavior of feral communities) but, moving as far from it as possible has done more for the quality of life for myself and my family than I can account for. It's a 60 mile commute, but the time and fuel expense has been worth it for me. Unfortunately I can't. Business is doing well and is over 110 years old. The neighborhood has fallen in around us and there is a small square strip of neighborhood left. Right now most have a false sense of security since the local PD is quick to respond to calls from those in the neighborhood. I can see the writing on the walls, and it is written in blood and char. Had 2 drive by shootings a couple blocks from me the other night. Fun times
You can't move away and still operate the business via commuting? What tends to happen when neighborhoods collapse (at least from what I have seen of it) is that: A. The smart people get out early, before the property values tank. They heed the "subtle warning signs" and know when a neighborhood is going south and it is time to get out. B. A second wave of people will get out next, and they WILL take a loss on their property. C. A third group of people become trapped. By the time they realize what is going on, they cannot sell their property for anything like what they paid for it, so they have to take a huge loss to get out, or they just stay and keep hoping for the best. "Hoping for the best" is not a good strategy, however, because...(see D below)... D. After groups "A" and "B" have left, the tax base starts to become eroded. When the tax base becomes eroded, police services start to come under budget cuts. When police services become reduced, crime starts to escalate, and from there it becomes a vicious downward spiral into hell. This is exactly what happened in Detroit Michigan (which, BTW, was one of the most prosperous cities in the United States in the 1950s, believe it or not), among hundreds of other places. |
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Move ASAP? Many of the folks surrounding me are longbearded quasi-pacifists.
The other white meat. LOL, tough, stringy, and most are full of parasites. And smell funny. (Full disclosure: 35-40 years ago, I spent a LOT of hot July and August summer days crammed between my Dad driving, and 2 hired Amish on my right, in the front seat of a pickup truck, no AC, after a LONG hot day of work. Wool,sweat, and 100F heat! It's why I developed such an affinity for El Producto cigars at a tender age!) And dealing with them for a long time, I can tell you that there are quite a few who will not always turn the other cheek
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