[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Best SHTF 22 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/13/2011 3:21:52 PM EDT
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I would say a tube fed - semi, pump, or bolt action. no magazines to lose i say no to the tube fed. yes they are good guns, however, my father in law lost his tube, somehow last year, now he has a single shot. i have s&w m&p 15-.22's, and ruger .22's, if i lose a magazine i have more, i always carry 3-4 loaded when squirrell hunting, so a lost mag is no biggy........i dont know of anyone who has a spare tube laying around. im currently working on a .22 supressor for my M&P-15-.22 rifle, and a threaded barrel for my ruger mkIII .22, or get a new threaded upper for the ruger mkIII..... |
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I would say a tube fed - semi, pump, or bolt action. no magazines to lose i say no to the tube fed. yes they are good guns, however, my father in law lost his tube, somehow last year, now he has a single shot. i have s&w m&p 15-.22's, and ruger .22's, if i lose a magazine i have more, i always carry 3-4 loaded when squirrell hunting, so a lost mag is no biggy........i dont know of anyone who has a spare tube laying around. im currently working on a .22 supressor for my M&P-15-.22 rifle, and a threaded barrel for my ruger mkIII .22, or get a new threaded upper for the ruger mkIII..... TACSOL uppers are awesome but the barrel is the registered part so it's another "gun" if you care. That sucked but I sucked it up when I built my "ultimate" pistol host for a can. |
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You can still find replacement tubes.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ Good way to score some brownie points with the in-laws. 
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I would say a tube fed - semi, pump, or bolt action. no magazines to lose i say no to the tube fed. yes they are good guns, however, my father in law lost his tube, somehow last year, now he has a single shot. i have s&w m&p 15-.22's, and ruger .22's, if i lose a magazine i have more, i always carry 3-4 loaded when squirrell hunting, so a lost mag is no biggy........i dont know of anyone who has a spare tube laying around. im currently working on a .22 supressor for my M&P-15-.22 rifle, and a threaded barrel for my ruger mkIII .22, or get a new threaded upper for the ruger mkIII..... TACSOL uppers are awesome but the barrel is the registered part so it's another "gun" if you care. That sucked but I sucked it up when I built my "ultimate" pistol host for a can. ruger actually makes a threaded factory pistol. but its the 22/45, and it uses a different magazine than what i have. i dont mind registering the upper as a gun, plus they are really lightweight, if they are the ones im thinking about. i have a mkIII hunter, and it does not have enough barrel to thread, otherwise, id just thread my hunter barrel. i might consider a prethreaded sig, or something, but i really think the ruger is a bulletproof design. |
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You can still find replacement tubes. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ Good way to score some brownie points with the in-laws. Great place!! My Papoose broke a firing pin and they had wnat I needed and bought 2. I also replaced my front sight and rear sight ramp that was missing for years. I put my extra firing pin under the butt cao. I think the Marln Papoose is the best packable .22 out there. It is extremely accurate, very light and breaks down to a very small package. |
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You can still find replacement tubes. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ Good way to score some brownie points with the in-laws. yeah, my father in law had me find him a replacement stock for his remington semi 243 last year, and i got him ramline synthetic, ( he loves it), my brother in law has at least 3 old shotguns that need stocks and stuff, but i was out of luck when i looked last time. |
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my opinion is a ruger mkII or III 5.5" bull barreld pistol or equavilant browning buckmark. they are portable, reliable, capable of amazing accuracy within the cartridge's limitations. they can be easily supressed if you choose that route. with practice shots can be made on can sized targets at 75 yards with repeatability.
if a rifle is choosen I lean two ways. one way would be a savage mkII bull barreled bolt action with decent scope. or you cant go wrong with a marlin M60 tube fed semi auto. add a scope, tech sights or stock sights and you have a simple, accurate, and very reliable little rifle for years to come. |
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Ruger MK II / 22/45 stainless heavey barrel, or a tacsol upper. Ideally you'd have a can for it, but I'mnot spending that kinda money. Carried in a cross draw holster it allows you to hunt small game and still be armed with a defensive carbine and handgun. Carries easily in a pack and takes up little room. Not to mention if you have your CCW, you can keep it in your GHB with no legal hassels. With practice a .22 handgun can take just about any small game you can with a rifle inside of 50 yards.
Next to that I'd go with an AR-7 or Marlin Papouse. |
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I would say a tube fed - semi, pump, or bolt action. no magazines to lose i say no to the tube fed. yes they are good guns, however, my father in law lost his tube, somehow last year, now he has a single shot. i have s&w m&p 15-.22's, and ruger .22's, if i lose a magazine i have more, i always carry 3-4 loaded when squirrell hunting, so a lost mag is no biggy........i dont know of anyone who has a spare tube laying around. im currently working on a .22 supressor for my M&P-15-.22 rifle, and a threaded barrel for my ruger mkIII .22, or get a new threaded upper for the ruger mkIII..... TACSOL uppers are awesome but the barrel is the registered part so it's another "gun" if you care. That sucked but I sucked it up when I built my "ultimate" pistol host for a can. ruger actually makes a threaded factory pistol. but its the 22/45, and it uses a different magazine than what i have. i dont mind registering the upper as a gun, plus they are really lightweight, if they are the ones im thinking about. i have a mkIII hunter, and it does not have enough barrel to thread, otherwise, id just thread my hunter barrel. i might consider a prethreaded sig, or something, but i really think the ruger is a bulletproof design. I have a MKIII Hunter and a 22/45 with a TACSOL threaded upper and both are awesome. They would both make superb silencer hosts in my opinion. So would a Buckmark. |
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10/22 ruger ..a great semi .22 with a long history of goodness...uses a 10 round replaceable magazine,no tube to dent or foul ...i really enjoy my rifle...vince g. 11B Inf... You know, I was a big 10/22 fan and I tried to build up a host for a can and changed my mind. I'm now happier with my ST-22 upper. It runs great with and without a can, it has good mags available, and I really like that the controls/ergonomics are the same as an AR. |
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I have a number of different .22 pistols and rifles and I would have a hard time picking a "best" one because they all have their things they do best. FOR ME I can say that if I had to pick one it would definitely be a rifle and not a pistol. Accuracy is important to me and at further distance a pistol just doesn't deliver. If I wanted the ultimate in quiet and accuracy I would pick a threaded bolt action rifle and a suppressor. If I wanted fast shooting and handy as well as quiet I would pick my integrally suppressed 10/22. But likely for the best all around but maybe not the best at everything I think it would be my Henry lever action. It shoots shorts, longs, and long rifles and is quite accurate. It is short and a handy length and mine is threaded so I can attach a suppressor if needed.
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IAMLEGAND..what kind of weapon system is that ? i'm very old school ...thanks for the education in advanced...vince g. 11B Inf...The ST-22 is an upper half for an AR lower receiver. So it's not actually a "gun"...it's an accessory or whatever. You pop the pins on your AR and slap the ST-22 on top of your lower receiver and you're good to go. It takes Black Dog (and a few other) mags that are very similar size to an AR mag so if you want to use the same LBE etc you get training crossover. It's a nice setup if you run an AR as your real deal long gun. Spikes Uppers |
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Hello....my name is Echo2......and I have a .22 lr problem....
I'm a sucker for a .22lr.....if I find one for sale....I'll usually pick it up.... personal fav is the 10/22 Ruger.....also the 77 all weather SS model.....but there are few .22s that don't have a few plus points.... |
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The best choice for a SHTF 22 is an accurate one, period. If its accurate and you shoot it well it will serve you just fine.
I do not like tube loaders for inexperienced shooters. Way to easy to have rounds stick in the tube and come out at the worst possible time, like when your kid pulls the trigger on an unloaded rifle. I hate tactical solutions with a passion. Anyone stupid enough to make an aluminum barrel with a steel liner, but leave the breach face aluminum is too stupid to make parts for firearms. I have had two tac sol barrels and both of them were turd throwers. 1" at 50 yds was a best effort for both of them with match ammo. 2" with mini mags they recommend. Lots of people are satisfied with tacsol. I was not. |
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I also have a lot of .22's.
Lets face it, life is just too short. If you can get a classic Browning Take-Down .22 it is a sweet rifle. (no exposed tube) 
I lke my Iver Johnson .22 M1Carbine - additional magazines are pretty much non-existant, though. 
but my favorite .22 rifle is still my Stevens Springfield 87a (1940's) which I inherited from my grandfather through my uncle. Tube fed semi - or bolt action (for .22 short) shoots straight and accurate. I learned to shoot with this rifle as did my kids. (Grandkids will be next - once their arms are long enough )
and you can usually get them for way under $100.00. 
ETA: and for some reason Beretta gets little love on here.... for a .22 pistol I like my Beretta U22 Neos. I really need to look into getting a carbine kit for it.
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Not sure what a "SHTF 22" is but I'm happy with my Ruger 10/22. Very common rifle so parts and mags should be widely available. Reliable and sufficiently accurate, though don't care for the iron sights much. Made in the US, semi-auto and relatively high mag capacity allows for high rate of fire.
Also have an Arsenal Arms .22lr conversion for my Glock 19 which I really like. Allows me to practice with my Glock without spending too much money, and the kit has been reliable. |
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I'd LIKE to say that my MKIII Target would be ideal, but I know better. I'm afraid a TRUE SHTF/TEOTWAWKI .22 would be of the bolt action or break open/single shot variety, followed closely by a lever action/revolver. This thing would have to withstand years of filth and neglect and still function, and so in my mind- this rules out semi's as much as I hate to say it.
I love my MKIII and I can sure as shit shoot it good. 
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My vote is the Ruger 10/22. In the 20+ years that I've had mine, I've put more rounds than I can count through it with only on one significant issue...a fluke case where the extractor got sheared off when an empty case got hung up backwards in it after firing. Beyond that, never have any problems with mine. It's eats most any .22 that I feed it, and it relatively accurate, not to mention fairly durable. I've had mine since I was a teen, and it's got the abuse on it to go with the years. If you top it off with a decent scope, it's not hard to take small game out to 75 yards or so. Some aftermarket hi-cap mags can be problematic, but If you experiment with different one and different ammo, you should be able to find some that work pretty good.
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If I was getting just a survival .22 rifle, it would have to be the 10-22. It is Hard to beat the 10-22!!! While the 10-22 is more fragile and ammo dependent than my first choice a .22LR bolt action Romanian training rifle, the higher capacity and higher rate of fire make the 10-22 a better choice. Plus the Rugers are so common, spare parts should be easy to cannibalize. |
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My personal choices would be in the following order:
1. Ruger 10/22 2. Ruger 77/22 All-Weather 3. Marlin Model 60 4. Springfield Armory M6 Scout in .22LR/.410 5. Savage Model 24 in .22LR/.410 Fact is, just about every rifle mentioned in this thread is worthy of SHTF goodness except the AR7, which is a worthless POS and should be avoided. |
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I do not like tube loaders for inexperienced shooters. Way to easy to have rounds stick in the tube and come out at the worst possible time, like when your kid pulls the trigger on an unloaded rifle. A friend is a retired PA state trooper. When I first got my Marlin 981TS he warned me to be extra careful to make sure the gun was unloaded. He'd seen more than a couple cases over the years where somebody shot themselves (or someone else) with a tube fed rimfire that wasn't properly unloaded. With that said, I really like my Marlin as it feeds everything––CB, shorts, LR, etc. My Savage Mk IIs choke on anything that isn't LR. |
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For pistol I'm going to buck the trend and say a Ruger Single-Six Convertible with the interchangeable magnum cylinder. Two for the price of one. I have a MKII and it's a PITA to breakdown and clean. A revolver is hard to beat for cleaning and reliability. Throw in the magnum cylinder and you pack a pretty good punch for the bigger critters.
For rifle, I'll throw in with the 10/22 crowd. Tough to beat. That said, I love my Browning take-down, and would pick that up in a second. I'd also like to toss in my favorite shooting .22 of all time - the Winchester Model 61 Pump. It shoots shorts, longs, and long-rifles, and with the long, long barrel it's accurate as all hell. Great with bird-shot too... can't beat it for hunting small game. You guys that mentioned safety of tube fed rifles... you're doing something wrong if you're leaving one in the chamber. Always open the action and check the chamber on any firearm - pistol, rifle, shotty, whatever... open it up, and leave it open if you can help it. I like to loop up brightly colored wire ties as chamber flags for the .22s... get safe - stay safe. Cheers
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I like .22 firearms alot.
That being said, a semi-auto .22lr is must have. The 10-22 is great, but if you don't have one and have a different kind of rimfire rifle, it really doesn't matter much as long as its reliable and you know how to clean it and shoot it accurately. Also, why just stop at one rifle? Variety is nice and keeps things fun. Keeping it fun promotes practice which builds skill. Skill with your rifle(s) is just as important as having ammo for them imho. |
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10/22 all the way. Mine is the carbine model with a folding stock and it is very packable but still plenty accurate for small game hunting out to 100 yards. It has shot tens of thousands of trouble free rounds. I have 5 of the factory 10 rounders and 3 of the steel lip high cap magazines and I think they will probably last me a lifetime. One other perk of the 10/22 (at least of mine) is it feeds and shoots the cb long rounds great! It won't cycle the action semi auto but all you do is manually cycle the action and it is super quiet that way. Mine also likes the fed bulk packs so 20 of those bulk packs should keep me in ammo for a very long time if shtf. BTW, the fed bulk pack ammo works great for taking rabbits out to 50 yards
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with a tube fed gun it's possible to damage the inner tube and jack everything up. not likely, but possible.
for a mag fed gun, it's very easy to have spare mags. and single shots ain't so bad unless you're a klutz or need to hunt wearing gloves. obviously single shot wouldn't be very good against a pack of feral dogs or something, but for squirrels or bunnies, not a problem. i've never seen a "match grade" .22 lever gun. they're usually intended to be "plinkers". for a modern, current production bolt gun, the CZ 523 and Savage Mark 2 seem to be good choices, and for a semi, the 10/22 is popular, some like the Marlin 60 or 795. then there's the option of a drop in conversion or dedicated upper for an AR, or a dedicated AR like the S&W 15-22. some of the vintage bolt guns can also be good options, but i'd suggest something that still has good parts availability. |
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Thanks for all the help. I think im going to go with the ruger 10/22. Great Choice. I've had mine for 15 yrs +/- and have loved it. Find what ammo your loves and stack it high and deep. I'm a fan of the 25 rd Butler Creek mags, but when I mentioned them here on the last .22 thread I was advised they actually suck. Hasn't been my experience. Mine have worked great. YMMV. Has mine had malfunctions?? Yes, but i would be willing to bet it was related to the bulk pack .22 ammo that comes out to $0.00045 per round and not the mag. My lack of regualr cleaning and love of hip fired mag dumps might also be part of the issue.
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For pistol I'm going to buck the trend and say a Ruger Single-Six Convertible with the interchangeable magnum cylinder. Two for the price of one. I have a MKII and it's a PITA to breakdown and clean. A revolver is hard to beat for cleaning and reliability. Throw in the magnum cylinder and you pack a pretty good punch for the bigger critters. For rifle, I'll throw in with the 10/22 crowd. Tough to beat. That said, I love my Browning take-down, and would pick that up in a second. I'd also like to toss in my favorite shooting .22 of all time - the Winchester Model 61 Pump. It shoots shorts, longs, and long-rifles, and with the long, long barrel it's accurate as all hell. Great with bird-shot too... can't beat it for hunting small game. You guys that mentioned safety of tube fed rifles... you're doing something wrong if you're leaving one in the chamber. Always open the action and check the chamber on any firearm - pistol, rifle, shotty, whatever... open it up, and leave it open if you can help it. I like to loop up brightly colored wire ties as chamber flags for the .22s... get safe - stay safe. Cheers If a rounds sticks in a dirty tube, it can hide in there while the rifle is sitting around locked open. Someone who doesn't have enough experience to notice if the follower is showing might assume because the chamber is empty and there is no round showing at the end of the tube that the tube is empty. Then someone could easily cycle the action a few times before breaking the gun down for cleaning, which requires the bolt to be forward (but the hammer does not need to be dropped)and accidentally load the rifle. Its not common, but my BIL's old remington had a damaged follower that would occasionally hang up. If the top of a standard magazine is visible with the chamber at the same time, its more easily obvious to a novice that the rifle is indeed empty. None of this excuses poor safety habits. I am just explaining that it is very possible to get tricked when you are not gun savy. I have no issues with the tube loaders I have handled, but I am much more careful about making sure the people handling them know when they are loaded and how to tell. |
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with a tube fed gun it's possible to damage the inner tube and jack everything up. not likely, but possible. for a mag fed gun, it's very easy to have spare mags. and single shots ain't so bad unless you're a klutz or need to hunt wearing gloves. obviously single shot wouldn't be very good against a pack of feral dogs or something, but for squirrels or bunnies, not a problem. i've never seen a "match grade" .22 lever gun. they're usually intended to be "plinkers". for a modern, current production bolt gun, the CZ 523 and Savage Mark 2 seem to be good choices, and for a semi, the 10/22 is popular, some like the Marlin 60 or 795. then there's the option of a drop in conversion or dedicated upper for an AR, or a dedicated AR like the S&W 15-22. some of the vintage bolt guns can also be good options, but i'd suggest something that still has good parts availability. LOL, back in the mid '70s I got back in from a squirrel hunt with a tube fed Model 60, only to discover I had lost the whole tube insert AND all the rounds! Quick wrap of electrical tape after that! |
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Thanks for all the help. I think im going to go with the ruger 10/22. If you go to a gun show and pick up a 1960's or early 1970's vintage 10/22 for $250 you will never regret it. I can assure you it will be more accurate than you are. A few cheap parts and it will run like a raped ape and shoot very tight if you are up to it. The older guns have a full width firing pin. It lacks the chisel point. They also have anodized aluminum receivers instead of the cheaper alloy used later. They have two rails up top, inside the receiver. The newer ones have only one rail. Less bolt contact with the insides of the receiver. This is how I identify the older receivers. I passed one up for $250 at the last show. I won't do that again. They have much higher quality barrels. Very accurate. |
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I'm gonna say Model 60. Just because I like them a lot
Speed I have a marlin 75C. I bought it because of the 16.5" barrel. Its just a cute little, short, handy model 60. Neat little package. I shoot it well with irons so I am pretty much going to keep it forever. Its still tube load so it requires extra care. |
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Would it be a semi, bolt action or a lever action. Thanks. simple question. my simple answer. whatever 22 you have right now. i have a 10/22 and a marlin lever action, tube mag. im not buying any more. WHAT? .22's are like crack!!!!!!!!  yes.....yes they are.....
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Would it be a semi, bolt action or a lever action. Thanks. simple question. my simple answer. whatever 22 you have right now. i have a 10/22 and a marlin lever action, tube mag. im not buying any more. WHAT? .22's are like crack!!!!!!!! yes.....yes they are..... last 22 i bought was before the AWB. i built 2 AR platforms last year, but before that, i had not bought any firearms since 96. i have my moods. 
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My personal choices would be in the following order: 1. Ruger 10/22 2. Ruger 77/22 All-Weather 3. Marlin Model 60 4. Springfield Armory M6 Scout in .22LR/.410 5. Savage Model 24 in .22LR/.410 Fact is, just about every rifle mentioned in this thread is worthy of SHTF goodness except the AR7, which is a worthless POS and should be avoided. SOME of the AR7s made were not too bad. Just depended on which company you got. I saw a movie one time where the "hit man" put together an AR7 on top of a tall building, mounted his scope on it and shot somebody from what looked like a couple of hundred yards away. 
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm gonna say Model 60. Just because I like them a lot Speed I have a marlin 75C. I bought it because of the 16.5" barrel. Its just a cute little, short, handy model 60. Neat little package. I shoot it well with irons so I am pretty much going to keep it forever. Its still tube load so it requires extra care. I sold the last Model 60 I had and I wanted to buy another; so I bought one for my gf for Christmas Now it's like I have one again, but don't have to clean it It's the best of both worlds, lol.Speed |