Posted: 3/4/2011 11:19:56 PM EDT
| if one was to have a BOL up north or down south of the US. what would it take to get out. I personally have access to both planes,boats and trucks. What problems do you think could arise? |
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There are borders and then there are borders.
I live on the Canadian -US border. It's a joke. There IS security at the ports (official crossings) but for the most part its nothing more than a line on a map. I've driving across it, rode a bike across it, walked across it, swam, canoed and kayaked across it. The border rivers and lakes are possibly the easiest. During a typical afternoon boat ride in July in the 1000 islands area I often cross the border a dozen or more times. |
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if one was to have a BOL up north or down south of the US. what would it take to get out. I personally have access to both planes,boats and trucks. What problems do you think could arise? confused. if you are one of the extreme minority that has access to both planes, boats, trucks, we should be asking YOU this question?  "what problems do you think could arise" one would be a fool to try to address this question. if something can happen, it will happen.
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What problems do you think could arise? If things got so bad here that Mexico or Canada saw a mass exodus of Americans attempting to enter their countries, they'd probably put troops along the borders to stop it. In the case of Mexico, cash or precious metals might be useful in buying your way into the country (assuming Mexican troops or police didn't relieve you of your valuables at gunpoint). Your biggest asset would probably be family or close friends already living in Mexico or Canada. |
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Considering the violence already endemic on the mexican border territories and the Great White North, I don't imagine I'll be wanting to cross into either under any circumstances.
And I cannot imagine what set of circumstances in a SHTF situation would render either of those nations a more desireable destination than here. eta - and if the scenario is some form of totalitarianism in the states, then I'd stay and fight. And given the nic of the OP, I'm now left really scratchign my head as to just what his imagined scenario might be that would generate a need to cross our borders, which are highly porous even in the 'best' of times. Surely the OP isn't imagining that those ~6000mi are going to be BETTER defended during a collapse? |
| From my limited experience going north into Canada, the wilderness is vast. Once you are "several" miles into the country, and you can avoid population centers, you could be Jeremiah Johnson reincarnate. The border is porous NOW. I can't imagine it getting tighter in chaotic times. |
| I was referring to a SHTF situation in the US an economic collapse or civil unrest. The BOL i have access to is only accessible by boat...or a 45 mile hike thru dense brush making it extremely defendable. i would have plenty of access to both a regular food and water source but I would most likely have to bring alot of my gear up there just because of the current firearms regulations with canada. |
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Considering the violence already endemic on the mexican border territories and the Great White North, I don't imagine I'll be wanting to cross into either under any circumstances. 10 years from now, China invades Taiwan, the resulting naval war escalates into a full-out war, and we end up popping several hundred nukes over the PRC mainland. For its part, China reciprocates by nuking several dozen U.S. cities, leaving a large part of CONUS uninhabitable. Mexico, in keeping with tradition, remains neutral in the conflict, and thus escapes virtually all of the carnage. Mexican drug cartels lose much of their power and influence when the US demand for their products collapses. In this environment, fallout-free Mexican cities like Monterrey, Hermosillo and Guadalajara start looking pretty good to the refugees from what used to be San Diego, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Dallas, Houston, Oklahoma City and New Orleans - and thus the exodus begins. What part of that scenario is totally inconceivable? |
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Gotta have a passport to get back now. Canada has gotten fussy about criminal convictions, if you have an OUI (at any time) they don't want you over there. They will let you in for a fee, however.  $300 US last time I checked. screw them. I can spend my vacation funds on this side of the border. |
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10 years from now, China invades Taiwan, the resulting naval war escalates into a full-out war, and we end up popping several hundred nukes over the PRC mainland. SNIP What part of that scenario is totally inconceivable? The part where the US explodes several hundred nuclear weapons over China. That would require a president with some guts. Expecting that the subjects of the United States will elect one is highly unrealistic. Voting for someone like that isn't as comforting as voting for someone who offers a slogan that gives many people a warm fuzzy feeling. |
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There are borders and then there are borders. I live on the Canadian -US border. It's a joke. There IS security at the ports (official crossings) but for the most part its nothing more than a line on a map. I've driving across it, rode a bike across it, walked across it, swam, canoed and kayaked across it. The border rivers and lakes are possibly the easiest. During a typical afternoon boat ride in July in the 1000 islands area I often cross the border a dozen or more times. This right here. |
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WHY? If it's that bad in the US it will most likely be worse there (already way worse down south) Not only that, I ain't no illegal Mexican... I'll stay and fix the problems in MY country. You take the good with the bad, we had a long time's worth of prosperity, now we have to suck it up and pay our bar tab. |
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10 years from now, China invades Taiwan, the resulting naval war escalates into a full-out war, and we end up popping several hundred nukes over the PRC mainland. SNIP What part of that scenario is totally inconceivable? The part where the US explodes several hundred nuclear weapons over China. That would require a president with some guts. 10 years from now, Zero wouldn't be president. |