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12/23/2010 9:04:09 PM EDT
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But I have a ton of these locks in service.......And was wondering.......

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and it never happens as fast as it does in the movies....lock picking that is

this is


OK.....I'm going to go a bit OCD for a moment....

I just got done butchering a set of feeler gauges.....a bunch of paper clips.......bobby pins.....2 dental picks......and destroyed 1 of the 6 locks I had here at the house.

I watched about 1.5 hours of yahoos picking the #175 master locks with all of the above implements.

I am no stranger to picking locks....and have a fairly extensive set of picks that I made for myself.....for playing with.

There is just physically not enough room to get any pieces of my pick sets...old or new....in beside the dials....in any of the 6 locks.

I can get a .002 shim in there.....but it is to flimsy to do any thing once there......I can get a shim pick over top of the dials.....but it doesn't  do anything from that angle.

maybe on the older locks....but a couple of the one I have here are 3 to 4 years old.

Anyone here ever attempt this.....if these locks are that easy to pick....I have a bunch....meaning 20+....new locks to buy....
12/23/2010 9:17:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Just tried it, you are correct, I can barely get a needle past the wheel.

Now, If I hit it with some EMP I saved the charge from in my ungrounded Faraday cage, that might be a different story.
12/23/2010 9:28:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Why bother picking them?  Use a universal key instead


ETA: Locks keep honest people honest... thats it.
12/23/2010 9:50:18 PM EDT
[#3]
All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.
12/23/2010 10:37:03 PM EDT
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All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.


Details please.
12/24/2010 12:15:59 AM EDT
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All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.


Details please.


Bolt cutters would be my guess.
12/24/2010 1:19:03 AM EDT
[#6]
Yes it is very easy....lock picking is a great SHTF survival skill... that's all I will say, my last picking thread got locked. The only way you will keep it 100% secure is if they can't find it......
12/24/2010 2:08:05 AM EDT
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.
12/24/2010 4:15:40 AM EDT
[#8]
I can't get my bump pick to fit into the dial opening.

The lock in the gang boxes....you can't get the universal key into..(bolt cutters).....or hit it with a sledge hammer....they are completely inset....with just to bottom shown.

My locked gate applications have something very similar....but if your motivated.....the vehicle can be used as a battering ram.

I have no illusions of an impenetrable lock.....but if it is that simple....damn.

I'm taking a couple down to work.....and trying to pick them again.

I just don't see how you physically get anything in there to do it.
12/24/2010 4:25:05 AM EDT
[#9]
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.



You do realize we're talking about a Master 175 lock?

Don't you?



12/24/2010 5:23:12 AM EDT
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All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.


Details please.


Bolt cutters would be my guess.




Take the lock and between the two posts of the hasp, put the point of an etool there with the handle at a 45 degree angle.  Take a second shovel and have your buddy give the one that is on the lock a good whack.  Usually takes a couple of hits for a cheap lock to break.  The locking mechanism is what usually gives way first.  Good DOD locks don't break like that though.
12/24/2010 5:24:43 AM EDT
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Why bother picking them?  Use a universal key instead
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31VL5RfREvL._SL500_.jpg

ETA: Locks keep honest people honest... thats it.




Locks keep lazy thieves out.  And, since most thieves are incredibly lazy, even cheap locks will keep out all but determined thieves.  Most thieves aren't that determined!!
12/24/2010 10:24:29 AM EDT
[#12]
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.



You do realize we're talking about a Master 175 lock?

Don't you?

Nope.  He's post whoring and talking outta his ass.  Or he just tried to use Google to look smart.  And failed.




12/24/2010 12:00:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Well....I destroyed another set if feeler gauges and another lock at the shop today.

The principal behind the mechanics they are speaking of in 90% of the vids.....it correct.....but I have found it impossible to replicate with a factory new or used lock.

I tried my oldest lock....had probably been worked about 900 to 1200 times....there was still not enough wear to get a pick of any type in beside the dial.

I work in metal fabrication.....If it's made of metal....I generally can tear it apart and put it back together....I know how to defeat locks....lots of them.

I'm not saying this lock can't be picked or defeated....but in my boxes.....which are the ones I'd be worried about.....I feel they are secure enough for my purposes.

I store some relatively valuable tools in some of these....and if it could be defeated in less time than it takes me to dial in the combo.....new locks would have to be procured....I don't feel this is the case.

If any of you guys have first hand knowledge of what to use to pick them....not destroy...please IM me and let me know.....if I can do it as fast as it shows on the vids....with the methods you give me......I will send one lucky winner 3 of these locks....NIB.

Echo2
12/24/2010 3:52:06 PM EDT
[#14]
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.



You do realize we're talking about a Master 175 lock?

Don't you?





No I misunderstood the post.  Just trying to help.  Sorry 'bout that.

12/24/2010 3:55:08 PM EDT
[#15]
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.



You do realize we're talking about a Master 175 lock?

Don't you?

Nope.  He's post whoring and talking outta his ass.  Or he just tried to use Google to look smart.  And failed.






No sorry, see above.  You enjoy talking shit to anonymous usernames on a message board?  I guess each to his own.  Have fun with that.  

12/24/2010 6:33:18 PM EDT
[#16]
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All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.


Details please.


Here you go
12/24/2010 6:57:53 PM EDT
[#17]
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I store some relatively valuable tools in some of these....and if it could be defeated in less time than it takes me to dial in the combo.....new locks would have to be procured....I don't feel this is the case.

If any of you guys have first hand knowledge of what to use to pick them....not destroy...please IM me and let me know.....if I can do it as fast as it shows on the vids....with the methods you give me......I will send one lucky winner 3 of these locks....NIB.

Echo2


do you have pics of how your boxes are secured? also, how about sending me a lock to get it a go? no where around me has them and i would have to drive 110 miles rd trip to get one. i will ship it back when either i give up on it or pick it.
12/24/2010 8:10:38 PM EDT
[#18]
cordless grinder = lockpick
it's not quiet, but with the right disk there's not much you can't get through quickly. Even if you skip the lock itself and just cut off what it's attached to.
12/25/2010 5:04:07 AM EDT
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All you need is a bump key.  Takes maybe 15 seconds at worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTVBWCijEQ

Note, I didn't watch the above video,  it was just the first one that popped up on my search.  Lock bumping is rediculiously easy though.



You do realize we're talking about a Master 175 lock?

Don't you?

Nope.  He's post whoring and talking outta his ass.  Or he just tried to use Google to look smart.  And failed.






No sorry, see above.  You enjoy talking shit to anonymous usernames on a message board?  I guess each to his own.  Have fun with that.  



My bad.  Misread your post.  RIF. LOL.

I thought I was responding to what appeared was an anonymous username talking shit on a message board.

Anyway, I'd like to wee whether the OP manages the lock.
12/25/2010 5:18:38 AM EDT
[#20]
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Just tried it, you are correct, I can barely get a needle past the wheel.

Now, If I hit it with some EMP I saved the charge from in my ungrounded Faraday cage, that might be a different story.


Tossed in 1200 watt  microwave to mimic EMP.....got real...real hot......but the damn thing stayed locked.....
12/25/2010 7:43:52 AM EDT
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All it takes is a little smack and they are open. In the military we used are e-tools to open them all the time! If you wanted to be quite and open them there are tools that are just as fast.


Details please.


Here you go



I tried that once with a soda can.  Didn't work as I would have liked but with tougher shim metal, it would have worked well.  

Note this doesn't work with the higher security locks.  It does work pretty well with cheap locks....like most people use.
12/25/2010 11:29:45 AM EDT
[#22]
small oxy-acetylene setup will get through them, the cover for the lock, the hinges, the top of the box. It is quieter than a grinder, and doesnt take long. You can shield the light if you are working in the night time with cardboard as to not light up the night sky.
12/25/2010 1:16:03 PM EDT
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small oxy-acetylene setup will get through them, the cover for the lock, the hinges, the top of the box. It is quieter than a grinder, and doesnt take long. You can shield the light if you are working in the night time with cardboard as to not light up the night sky.


This is a good reason to store gasoline (in vented cans) inside a job box!  Or just mark the box with flammable liquid/ gasoline labels.....

On a similar off topic subject; I used to carry a plastic gas can around in the back of an old truck I had.  It got stolen a few times.  Then I got the idea to mark the can "ACID".  It was never stolen again!

12/25/2010 1:31:39 PM EDT
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Along a similar line...

We have camped for over a week in the trailer at one particular event a few years since 2002.

The stealth trailer, being compact, has a small black water tank, about 6 usable gallons and a macerator pump that liquifies the waste so you can evacuate the tank into the sewer head at a dump station or at times into a container. The waste flows easily thru a few feet of garden hose.

Sometimes when the stay was long I'd just dump the waste in a small red gas can and then dump that at the big campground dump station  when it was convenient.

Imagine my surprise one morning after I had filled a gas can with poo, that it had gone AWOL.