Posted: 10/2/2010 4:14:02 PM EDT
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From time to time the topic of politically correct firearms comes up i.e. a lever or bolt gun as opposed to AR/Ak's, when do you feel the need to be PC??
I have been thinking about this because i own a couple PC guns but never consider them to be much of a defense gun (althought they could be) I carry a concealed weapon and my get home bag that is my PC look. stay low and get the hell home if need be. i feel like if i ever need a long gun PC is out the door. just wondering if i was missing something in previous talks......no one in particular i just know it has been brought up before. |
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There are "more acceptable" platforms and "less acceptable" platforms. There isn't really such a thing as a PC firearm unless it's in the hands of a government official (LEO, military)
As to why to be holding one? There are times when it'll do the job as well or better than a black gun, and there are times when it's just too much of a pain in the ass to get into an argument when it isn't necessary. Some of us can spend our whole lives getting in faces and trying to correct/educate the sheep, others of us just want to carry on and enjoy our rare moments of peace. |
| I bought a Mossberg 500 several years ago. As soon as I got it I realized how much "tacticool aftermarket crap" was available for it and I bought into it hook line and sinker. After several years of trying different cheapo plastic shit that was supposed to improve the performance it now sits next to my bed with the original wood furniture. The tacticool crap that I wasted money on is in my safe. PM me if you want to make an offer. Unless SHTF and you can no longer count on law enforcement the worst that you have to worry about encountering is a few thugs who want your stuff. Thugs are discouraged very quickly when they're tripping over their dead friends to get to you. You don't need black, plastic parts for your gun to make that happen. Worry less about what your gun looks like and be concerned more with what it can do. |
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the camoflauge makes a lot of sense..... and sorry if the PC term was not the correct term for what i was thinking of. I agree with what both of you said in some. So what situation would you go for the lever gun bolt gun as opposed to the black gun Hunting mid-sized game, hiking in big carnivore territory, low impact SHTF. You could substitute bolt gun or pump gun for lever gun, or even "traditional", internal mag semi auto. Hell, even an SKS doesn't raise hackles like that extended magazine. (assuming you haven't installed an extended magazine on your SKS  ) Please note the caveat that rangers get all excited if you're carrying a scoped long gun through the woods without a hunting license, so the iron sighted lever gun "for defense against big game you can't outrun" might be a better option there. (pure conjecture, as rangers tend to be tight assed these green-obsessed days)
The theory is that run of the mill sheeple don't generally see rifles in public outside of hunting season (which, statistically, most of them accept). So, if you're going to be packing a rifle, seeing a "hunting" rifle mitigates the "OMIGODHEHASAGUN!!!!!" reflex by presenting them with something familiar that has a "peacetime" use they understand. Like carrying a single action army in a buscadero belt will cause them to snicker and point at the guy who "thinks he's a cowboy" instead of dialing 911 because they saw a non-LEO carrying an "automatic" |
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Exactly, I have a S&W 25, in .45 Colt, Winchester 94 Trapper, same caliber. That is 17 rounds of a much bigger and nastier caliber. With some speed loaders and strips....I am pretty fast with a reload. right now i have a marlin 1894 in 357 mag and taurus judge that shoots 45 colt and 410, i have been debating on a 357 mag pistol or a 45 colt rifle... think i will have to do the arfcom thing and get both haha. |
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It is not PC, it is camoflauge....I don't want to look like anything different than the rest of the community. Winner! Where I live everyone has a lever 30-30. Thats my go to rifle. If shtf, and I mean a shooting type then I will get soemthing that holds more. People freak at seeing the AR/AK. Not a 2nd thought to a lever gun. |
| I usually open carry when I am walking the woods, a model 629 S&W 44 magnum. CCW my Sig everywhere else. Battle rifles carried in cases to and from the range, which is a private range, btw, and never anywhere else. Anywhere else that I carry a rifle, such as when hunting, its either one of my bolt guns or a levergun. Its one thing to have combat training in a specific rifle or handgun, and another thing entirely to display them publicly, which just draws unwanted attention. Not a good thing if you're grey and out of the way. |
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I see it a little differently. Everything looks the same in a case, and if it gets to the point that I feel I have to be brandishing a long arm, I imagine the "image" is going to be my last concern... Infact, the meaner the better IMHO. If there are two targets, a fudd looking guy with a bolt gun, and a guy with an EBR - I bet the BG's choose the fudd. You could argue that the EBR is a better 'prize' and therefore may attract more attention. But BG's are mostly lazy predators, easy good is better than hard great. Now, that isn't to say that the guns listed aren't fine and capable weapons. They are. I'd sure rather have a bolt or lever gun than a sharp stick, just that I'd rather have an AR than a lever gun. Of course, I live in a free state, and don't expect to be hassled for anything that is legal. YMMV. |
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I see it a little differently. Everything looks the same in a case, and if it gets to the point that I feel I have to be brandishing a long arm, I imagine the "image" is going to be my last concern... Infact, the meaner the better IMHO. If there are two targets, a fudd looking guy with a bolt gun, and a guy with an EBR - I bet the BG's choose the fudd. You could argue that the EBR is a better 'prize' and therefore may attract more attention. But BG's are mostly lazy predators, easy good is better than hard great. Now, that isn't to say that the guns listed aren't fine and capable weapons. They are. I'd sure rather have a bolt or lever gun than a sharp stick, just that I'd rather have an AR than a lever gun. Of course, I live in a free state, and don't expect to be hassled for anything that is legal. YMMV. this was my original thought as well, i understamd the camoflauge idea but i agree with all this by the time i need more than my concealed for defense i think the camoflauge or image concern will be out of the window. |
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What would be the advantage of a PC weapon? Cops will see you as man with a gun no matter what you carry. I'd consider strangers with firearms equaly dangerous no matter what they are packing.
Just dont see people going "oh, he has a bolt action 308 so he's just a good ol' boy". Lots of people in the US have AKs of some sort. They are cheap and fun to shoot and a lot of people just buy them for range shooting and plinking. Nothing wrong with that. FerFAL |
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black guns silhoute freat and are easy to identify from a distance. put coyote furniture on that AR, or just rattlecan it tan, green and gray and it becomes harder to recognize in some cases.
i also prefer the rectangular "discrete" cases, and NOT in camo pattern fabric. the "wedge" shaped "assault cases" are going to be assumed to contain a gun. |
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black guns silhoute freat and are easy to identify from a distance. put coyote furniture on that AR, or just rattlecan it tan, green and gray and it becomes harder to recognize in some cases. i also prefer the rectangular "discrete" cases, and NOT in camo pattern fabric. the "wedge" shaped "assault cases" are going to be assumed to contain a gun. Here is my latest PC-camo. NEF Pardner 12 Gauge, shortened barrel to 18.25" and shortened stock. Added a grind-to-fit Pachmayr recoil pad, and a recoil reducer inside the stock. I reworked the stock with finger grooves and sprayed with bedliner before the camo job. These pics were taked rigth after the paint, abd before I added the matte overspray, so its still a bit shiny. I still need to add a single-point sling, but it looks pretty invisible dangling next to my pack. You can actually get off six rounds pretty fast cranking this gun Clint Smith-style. This was a fun project, and I only paid $50 for the gun to begin with. It'll never be a streetsweeper, but a fun little lifesaver if you keep it tucked away when/where you need it. 
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black guns silhoute freat and are easy to identify from a distance. put coyote furniture on that AR, or just rattlecan it tan, green and gray and it becomes harder to recognize in some cases. i also prefer the rectangular "discrete" cases, and NOT in camo pattern fabric. the "wedge" shaped "assault cases" are going to be assumed to contain a gun. Here is my latest PC-camo. NEF Pardner 12 Gauge, shortened barrel to 18.25" and shortened stock. Added a grind-to-fit Pachmayr recoil pad, and a recoil reducer inside the stock. I reworked the stock with finger grooves and sprayed with bedliner before the camo job. These pics were taked rigth after the paint, abd before I added the matte overspray, so its still a bit shiny. I still need to add a single-point sling, but it looks pretty invisible dangling next to my pack. You can actually get off six rounds pretty fast cranking this gun Clint Smith-style. This was a fun project, and I only paid $50 for the gun to begin with. It'll never be a streetsweeper, but a fun little lifesaver if you keep it tucked away when/where you need it. http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/pallymcgee/Shotty033.jpg http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/pallymcgee/Shotty032.jpg sweet paint job and the two things i highlighted are something else i thought about.... guns like this are not as expensive as your black guns of choice and i i feel like the more guns you have access too the better off you will be (considering you have ammo for them and try to match calibers) |