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Posted: 8/30/2010 5:22:21 PM EDT
We most likely have all used at one time or another and might have even enjoyed it or even loved it but never talk about much. The old lever actions have been around a long time hold a fair amount of ammo and do not draw much attention . Just this weekend I went to the farm and checked on my old girl , left her with dad along with a little over 200 rounds of ammo . She was in bad shape , been there 5 years and dad had moved it several times but hasnt used it any . It was still loaded from when I put it up , along with 10 in the cloth stock ammo holder . I checked the bore since the out side of the gun was so rusty , it was fine . Reloaded the gun and went to dads back yard there was a fence post about 20 yards out that was left from the old fence so I fired 4 shots at it , all 4 hit . Scaned the wood line further out for my old targets from years ago 256 yards from where the old fence was , bingo made out a paint can tree , picked out one of the paint cans got prone and fired 4 shots at it , walked out 2 hits both low on the 1 gall paint can . Well Bought it home with me so he is gun less for now going to clean it up and carry it back up there and remind him to oil it up every now and then .



With all that said and all the debate on ARs AKs and all the others dont forget the poor under rated lever action in the back of the gun safe you have a box or 2 of ammo for . Most of the Calibers lever actions are available in are good for taking med to large sized game and with the new ammo out for them really help them along a bit . I have forgotten how nice the 30-30 is size wise , I have spent alot of hours in the woods with it and it always seemed short enuff to get through the brambles but had enough range to help you bring home that meat you would have not with a shotgun. Anyway I havnt saw a thread on the lever action latly so Ill bring it up again.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:30:01 PM EDT
Lever action rifles are great! They are simple to use pistol round or rifle round and the 30-30 has killed how many things in North America? The old wheel guns and the 1800's assault rifles have lasted this long so why would they not work in another 100 years?
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:32:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2010 5:33:32 PM EDT by PA22-400]
Ai Jest Luv Uh Thurtee-Thurtee

The words that I'm thinking of cost a Texas banker a lot of money in Paris because the words transliterate into French

I'll just leave this here

You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist:
1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do.
2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun.
3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1
4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3.
5) A long range rifle in 308—This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot.
6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to.
7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6.

So now that you know the rules, and your ammo stocks have been measured and found lacking.



ETA grammar
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:36:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2010 5:39:56 PM EDT by TheOTHERmaninblack]
The last two deer I took, I took with an old Winchester lever .30-30 with a Weaver offset scope. I miss that old rifle something fierce.

Hopefully I won't see one for another couple of days now, until the nostalgia wears off. I really can't afford to buy another rifle right now

ETA:

.30-30=7.62X39
.38-40=.40S&W
Spandau=Maxim

They had it right, we're just trying to get around the patents.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:39:16 PM EDT
would you think me rude if I kept bumping the thread?
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:39:30 PM EDT
Yeah, I have to admin, my favorite gun is my marlin 30-30. I don't know why. My ARs, FAL, etc are all superior, but for some reason i absolutely love the 30-30 and always will. It's my primary deer rifle, although my least used (shots per year). Part of the draw is that I got it from my grandfather, it's been around the block and probably taken 100 deer in it's lifetime. Lever action = awesome.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:48:33 PM EDT
I sent a Marlin in 44mag to Brockman to have the barrel cut to 16.25 and he's installing a set of his Gen. III sights.
If this turns out as well as I expect, the 357 version goes to him next.

Still on the fence about a Marlin in 30-30, I sold 2 that got me sub $200 back in the late 90's.

Bone head play was selling the 444 to a friend who refuses to sell it back...I'm OK with it...kinda.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 6:05:11 PM EDT
Okay, I'll be the first to ask. What do the fat girl and the moped have to do with this? Or is it just because they're overlooked?
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 6:14:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack:
Okay, I'll be the first to ask. What do the fat girl and the moped have to do with this? Or is it just because they're overlooked?

You never heard the saying " a fat girl is like a moped " "its fun riding them until your friends find out. " Well most ppl act the same way about lever guns . Most of my friends have them and use them but never talk about them and when you do asked them about it you get this look
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 6:14:34 PM EDT


When i was in Danang, Vietnam last month, the motorbike cops had AK-47s slung over their backs....






Link Posted: 8/30/2010 6:24:36 PM EDT
nothing at all wrong with lever actions, I got two of them right now, and like both a great deal, plus I've rode some fat girls and mopeds with equal enthusiaism.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 6:27:29 PM EDT
Right now my go to rifle is my 30-30. I am building an AR, now btw. But depending on the shtf, I still think it will be my go to rifle even after I get the AR built.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 7:29:47 PM EDT
I've two lever actions that will be with me until the day I die.

A winchester model 94 in .32 win special, and a Savage model 99 in .308.

I just used the savage to harvest a few black tails last year.
Link Posted: 8/30/2010 7:40:17 PM EDT
.44mag. Makes big boom. Also makes big smile. And other things...

Link Posted: 8/30/2010 8:20:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:

Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack:
Okay, I'll be the first to ask. What do the fat girl and the moped have to do with this? Or is it just because they're overlooked?

You never heard the saying " a fat girl is like a moped " "its fun riding them until your friends find out. " Well most ppl act the same way about lever guns . Most of my friends have them and use them but never talk about them and when you do asked them about it you get this look


Okay, I miss my model 94, I have a lever shotgun, and I have ridden the occasional fat girl–– but I draw the line at mopeds!
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 2:31:20 AM EDT
if all i had was my win 94, i'd feel just fine untill i had to reload......
but for the majority of "shtf" events a good lever gun in a common caliber will work great as an all around do all.
thats why i have an FR8 as well cant always be about zombies ya know lol
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 3:20:39 AM EDT
My first personally purchased centerfire firearm is a 336 in 30/30. That rifle isnt getting sold anytime soon, it got an optics upgrade last year. Its currently wearing a 1.75-4x Bushnell Trophy Series scope. That rifle is my go to hunting rifle here on the east coast.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:44:16 AM EDT
I love my lever action. Marlin 336 30-30. Only pic I have of it

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:52:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 5:01:08 AM EDT by Mannlicher]
I have several lever guns in different flavors. All shoot much better than folks give them credit for. The one below, a Marlin 336Y, will shoot honest one inch groups at 100 yards, and if I do my part, it will hold three inches at 200 yards. I roll my own, using a Speer 170 grain FP SP and IMR 4320 powder.
I believe I have over 500 of those rounds tucked away.

Never rode a moped OR a fat girl though.

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:56:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 4:56:30 AM EDT by pyro6988]
I hope you get the old girl back in tip top shape.

For future reference you may want to use some CLP Collector. It will keep guns rust free for years. I have guns that are stored in a less than ideal environment that kept developing rust in a less than 6 months of using Silicone rags and other gun oils. Since using CLP collector they can set for a year or two without being touched with absolutely no signs of rust.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:03:12 AM EDT
Way ahead of you there , I got it cleaned up with some loss of finish and it does have just a little pitting . I have the big bottle of clp collector , use it on all my guns that do not get used alot . Its great , havnt had any rust issues since I started to use it on my ww2 guns and mini 14 . Im going to coat it good and put it in a sili sock when I give it back to him . I thought about buying him a mauser or nosin and keeping my 30-30 lol
Originally Posted By pyro6988:
I hope you get the old girl back in tip top shape.

For future reference you may want to use some CLP Collector. It will keep guns rust free for years. I have guns that are stored in a less than ideal environment that kept developing rust in a less than 6 months of using Silicone rags and other gun oils. Since using CLP collector they can set for a year or two without being touched with absolutely no signs of rust.


Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:20:58 AM EDT
And I thought this was going to be a B.O.T.D. thread.
I recently inherited an old Marlin. I need to start working it out.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 6:25:39 AM EDT
I have 3 lever actions and enjoy them a bunch. I think Suarez Intl even teaches a lever action rifle gunfighting course for those in locations that can't have ARs or AKs. 2 of my lever actions are threaded for suppressors, my .22lr and my 38/357. Both are quiet but the 38/357 shooting subsonic 180 grain loads sounds like a pellet rifle and hits like a hammer.


Link Posted: 8/31/2010 6:42:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
nothing at all wrong with lever actions, I got two of them right now, and like both a great deal, plus I've rode some fat girls and mopeds with equal enthusiaism.

Currently doing that right now. She's not huge but she's not thin either. She loves watching lesbian porn and is fun to be with.

Same with my .45-70 Marlin, .357 Marlin, and my .30-30 Winchester.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 9:36:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
nothing at all wrong with lever actions, I got two of them right now, and like both a great deal, plus I've rode some fat girls and mopeds with equal enthusiaism.

Currently doing that right now. She's not huge but she's not thin either. She loves watching lesbian porn and is fun to be with.

Same with my .45-70 Marlin, .357 Marlin, and my .30-30 Winchester.


Your .45-70 loves lesbian porn?

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 12:24:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack:
Okay, I miss my model 94, I have a lever shotgun, and I have ridden the occasional fat girl–– but I draw the line at mopeds!


check out the Sachs Madass!

available in 50cc and 125cc versions.



Link Posted: 8/31/2010 1:32:25 PM EDT
Didn't Jeff Cooper call a levergun a "Long Island Assault Rifle?" (Because its legal to own in New York.)

Cooper didn't endorse what he didn't believe in.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 1:54:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 2:22:57 PM EDT by Badfish25]
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 2:33:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 2:49:06 PM EDT
Who's making the best 357 Mag lever action these days?
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:01:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.


In 20 years my Marlin 30AS has never failed to fire. I can't say that about either of my AR's or my AK...
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:32:08 PM EDT
I would love to get a lever gun in 357 or 44 mag. You guys are giving me evil ideas about what to do with my next expense check
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:37:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:41:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 4:42:08 PM EDT by Dave_Markowitz]
My Appalachian Assault Rifle, a 1978 Marlin 336 in .30-30:



Since I took the pic I removed the Eagle stock pack because it raised the comb enough so that using the iron sights wasn't comfortable. If I ever put a scope on it I'll probably put the pack back on. It's got a Williams peep rear sight and fiber optic front sight. The sling is a Brit surplus L1A1 sling in Uncle Mike's QD swivels.

What I had in the stock pack:



The orange and white thing is a length of inner wire from a piece of CAT5. It has a loop on each end and can be used as a pull-through to oil the bore. The film canister has PJ cotton balls for use with the ferrocerium rod.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:50:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.


You could save quite a bit more to buy an AR. 336's can be found for under $400 new at Wal-Mart when they go on sale. You make a good point about AR's but a 30-30 lever gun can drop some pretty sizable game that a 5.56 just cannot do. Lever actions and AR's are two totally different animals. They both have purposes and they do quite well at what they were made to do. Besides, lever guns are fun as HELL to shoot
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:54:02 PM EDT
When I consider which guns I may need to do without, my Winchester '94 is NOT one of them!
This was given to me by my father, who bought it in the 1950's.

Thanks for the reminder to get going on reloading ammo for it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 4:59:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MustangMike:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.


In 20 years my Marlin 30AS has never failed to fire. I can't say that about either of my AR's or my AK...


I have to agree that I would go with the Marlin in your case, or perhaps buy a more reliable AR 15.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:01:18 PM EDT


I have a lever action that was in my wifes family. There is no particular history behind it that I know of. I have never fired it. It just sits in the safe. I would grab an AR or even a shotgun with slugs before I'd grab a lever action.

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:14:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By talontsi_95:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.


You could save quite a bit more to buy an AR. 336's can be found for under $400 new at Wal-Mart when they go on sale. You make a good point about AR's but a 30-30 lever gun can drop some pretty sizable game that a 5.56 just cannot do. Lever actions and AR's are two totally different animals. They both have purposes and they do quite well at what they were made to do. Besides, lever guns are fun as HELL to shoot


There are some pretty good deals on AR 15 right now too. If were talking hunting then I would rather have a 30-30 or 308, but for 2 legged game give me a AR 15 any day.

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:28:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.



I might have missed the sale, but as far as I know the lights, lasers, optical sights and slings have been the same price no matter what riffle you plan to put them on. Last time I looked standard ARs don't have the accessories you listed either, or rails either. The lever action does not fail your original list. Yes most lever actions aren't equipped with interchangeable box magazines, but that requirement is in your second list.

Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:29:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.


When my 44 gets back from Brockman shortening it to 16.25 and adding his winged sight set, it will have cost me agrand total of $661 including 5 boxes of factory 240gr. soft point.
It will hold 8 rounds of 240gr goodness and be only 34" in length including a Pachmyer pad.

It can also shoot specials and shot shells.

I have 3 AR's of varied lengths and features.




Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:30:07 PM EDT
Reading all of this thread I say to the few naysayers. I will wager that throughout the entire south if there were any kind of shtf event that lever action 336's and model 94's will see more action than AR's or AK's. To the best of my knowledge, I have yet to encounter a man that has guns not having a 336 or 94, that is those people who are from the south.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:33:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 5:40:58 PM EDT by PA22-400]
Sorry bud but I don't have a 94 or 336
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:43:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By talontsi_95:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.


You could save quite a bit more to buy an AR. 336's can be found for under $400 new at Wal-Mart when they go on sale. You make a good point about AR's but a 30-30 lever gun can drop some pretty sizable game that a 5.56 just cannot do. Lever actions and AR's are two totally different animals. They both have purposes and they do quite well at what they were made to do. Besides, lever guns are fun as HELL to shoot


There are some pretty good deals on AR 15 right now too. If were talking hunting then I would rather have a 30-30 or 308, but for 2 legged game give me a AR 15 any day.



So a AR is better at taking two legged game down the the 30-30 or 308? Yet the 30-30 and 308 are better at taking down bigger and heavier game? Being someone who has been in combat I can tell you unless you are in a spray and pray your not going to go through even one of your AR-15 mags that is if you can hit your target. Lever action have there place people in some places would not look twice at you if your carrying one. Its a more PC rifle as it was one of the gun that won the west people have a psy thing with it same with the M1G and M1 carbine people look at them as tools of hero's not of common thugs and drug dealers like how all black rifles are looked at by most people.


Anyone have a 45 colt lever action? I was just wanting to know how is the recoil with it on full power loads?
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:44:28 PM EDT
Well hell, I suppose I am still technically correct in my statement though being how you and I have not actually met. But the point is well taken.

Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Sorry bud but I don't have a 94 or 336


Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:51:46 PM EDT
I know that's a well distributed statement but I disagree, so many people are familiar with how the lever action works, it's such a well balanced gun and handles so well...why wouldn't you want to use it as a hand-out gun. I think it's perfectly capable. Lever actions are like good cowboys, SKS is a dirty little commie.


Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Ai Jest Luv Uh Thurtee-Thurtee

The words that I'm thinking of cost a Texas banker a lot of money in Paris because the words transliterate into French

I'll just leave this here

You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist:
1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do.
2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun.
3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1
4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3.
5) A long range rifle in 308—This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot.
6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to.
7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6.

So now that you know the rules, and your ammo stocks have been measured and found lacking.



ETA grammar


Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:52:19 PM EDT
I never cared for 30-30's i tried my damnedest to like them hell i bought another one a few months ago.
Never even got to shoot it i hated looking at it so much i gave it to my best friend.

Now my 444marlin guide gun that's a horse of a different color i love that bastage.


For the 444 fans

http://www.ultimatesniper.com/Docs/30.PDF

"During a short leave stateside in 1968, fellow Green Beret Larry White hung out with Shriver, whose only real interest was finding a lever action .444 Marlin rifle. Purchasing one of the powerful Marlins, Shriver shipped it back to SOG so he could carry it into Cambodia, "to bust bunkers," probably the only levergun used in the war."
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 5:53:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By autumnsong:
I have 3 lever actions and enjoy them a bunch. I think Suarez Intl even teaches a lever action rifle gunfighting course for those in locations that can't have ARs or AKs. 2 of my lever actions are threaded for suppressors, my .22lr and my 38/357. Both are quiet but the 38/357 shooting subsonic 180 grain loads sounds like a pellet rifle and hits like a hammer.
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/autumnsongmt/Henry.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/autumnsongmt/rifle.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/autumnsongmt/threads.jpg


Sorry that is so sweet seeing a lever action that has a suppressor on it think how much fun the old west cowboys would of had with that!
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 6:21:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2010 6:27:58 PM EDT by Badfish25]
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.



I might have missed the sale, but as far as I know the lights, lasers, optical sights and slings have been the same price no matter what riffle you plan to put them on. Last time I looked standard ARs don't have the accessories you listed either, or rails either. The lever action does not fail your original list. Yes most lever actions aren't equipped with interchangeable box magazines, but that requirement is in your second list.



I agree that a lever action could be made in to a good fighting rifle, my ideal lever action would have a XS Lever Rail with a Aimpoint T1, Surefire g2 in a Daniel Defense Offset Flashlight Mount. If you on a budget and all you can afford is a lever action rifle with a maglite duck taped to the barrel, then make that work for you, but if I have a safe full of guns I will reach for the AR 15 over that old lever action any day.

P.S
I am not trying to say that a AR 15 is cheaper than a lever action, just that for a few hundred dollars more you could have a superior rifle.
I have no combat experience, or have ever shot anyone with a firearm, I try to read a lot of books on firearms, and have had some training, this is just my opinion YMMV.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 6:37:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Originally Posted By Badfish25:
I am not bashing lever action rifle, but you have to admit that modern day semi auto rifles have made your old girl obsolete.
The only advantage I see for a lever action is being able to top of your magazine with out unloading your rifle.

IMO a fighting rifle has to go bang every time you pull the trigger, have a sling, light, and some type of optic (RDS preferred), anything less than this and you are
cheating yourself.



and how does a lever action fail this?


It doesn't, but for the money and time you put into upgrading a lever action you could save a little more to buy a AR 15, which is faster on follow up shots, and has greater capacity/easier to reload.



I might have missed the sale, but as far as I know the lights, lasers, optical sights and slings have been the same price no matter what riffle you plan to put them on. Last time I looked standard ARs don't have the accessories you listed either, or rails either. The lever action does not fail your original list. Yes most lever actions aren't equipped with interchangeable box magazines, but that requirement is in your second list.



I agree that a lever action could be made in to a good fighting rifle, my ideal lever action would have a XS Lever Rail with a Aimpoint T1, Surefire g2 in a Daniel Defense Offset Flashlight Mount. If you on a budget and all you can afford is a lever action rifle with a maglite duck taped to the barrel, then make that work for you, but if I have a safe full of guns I will reach for the AR 15 over that old lever action any day.

P.S
I am not trying to say that a AR 15 is cheaper than a lever action, just that for a few hundred dollars more you could have a superior rifle.
I have no combat experience, or have ever shot anyone with a firearm, I try to read a lot of books on firearms, and have had some training, this is just my opinion YMMV.


Your free to buy what you like––was addressing your first list.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 6:38:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jsdoyle:
I know that's a well distributed statement but I disagree, so many people are familiar with how the lever action works, it's such a well balanced gun and handles so well...why wouldn't you want to use it as a hand-out gun. I think it's perfectly capable. Lever actions are like good cowboys, SKS is a dirty little commie.


Originally Posted By PA22-400:
Ai Jest Luv Uh Thurtee-Thurtee

The words that I'm thinking of cost a Texas banker a lot of money in Paris because the words transliterate into French

I'll just leave this here

You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist:
1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do.
2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun.
3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1
4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3.
5) A long range rifle in 308—This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot.
6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to.
7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6.

So now that you know the rules, and your ammo stocks have been measured and found lacking.



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