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Great thread!, subscribed so I can read the whole thing later
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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy..
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Just bumping this back to the top for all the new ppl .
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Just bumping this back to the top for all the new ppl . very interesting and informative, thanks! |
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We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists.
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Great thread!
After Sandy I heard NJ was thinking of requiring stations to have backup generators. Not sure if that went anywhere Think it was the Haiti earthquake, but I remember seeing news video of people hand cranking a dispenser by opening it up and inserting a crank in the gears. I guess old school pump in the dispenser type? Any of those around? |
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Bump for updates
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*post contains personal opinion only and should not be considered information released in an official capacity*
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Thanks for the bump , no real updates have been very busy this year with personal and work stuff .
As for as the hand crank pumps go , the old mechanical style dispenser in pumps you might could make work . One you would need an above ground tank or use bicycle power maybe to get the rpms up to the point of having enough vacuum to pull the fuel from an underground tank . But first you would have to disable the valves in the pump so you could operate it with out power , the easiest way to do it would be to disassemble the valve and cut the center out of the diaphragm but if it is connected to an above ground tank you will need to cut the ball valve off . Also if there is a electric valve at the tank which is required for most above ground installs you will need to disable that also .The old mechanical dispensers will count the gallons with out power but you will neeed to reset the mechanical computer between sales which all you have to do is turn the shaft on the side of the computer by hand that goes to the box behind the nozzle cradle , its best to disconnect that shaft to prevent damaging the electric reset . Why do you need to pump if it is an above ground tank you ask great question . All dispensers connected to an above ground tank or are below to top of an under ground tank (ie a marinia ) in the US are require to have an 52 valve under each dispenser pump . If it did not a leak on the dispenser could siphon all the fuel out of the tank . What is a 52 valve it is a valve that is vacuum activated that is mounted directly under the dispenser to prevent flow to the dispenser unless the pump is running. www.veeder.com/gold/download.cfm?doc_id=1055 The 52 valve manual . page 9 has a nice little drawing that shows a above ground tank setup well . If you have an above ground tank with a pumping unit below the level of the tank on your property you should look hard at getting a 52 valve if you dont have one . |
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Neat thread. I didn't even know I was interested in this until I started reding. Thanks for posting.
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Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Thanks for the bump , no real updates have been very busy this year with personal and work stuff . View Quote Is there any way you could put every bit of info you've put into this thread into a single coherent document and throw it up on the PDF thread so the information isn't lost? I started cutting and pasting various posts into a single document but you're a SME on the topic and could probably make a better document |
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Bump for 2014.
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I'm having deja_vu...
Cumminsforum? |
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Stuck! 24/365!
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Do you have anything new on the blender pumps dispensing regular gasoline along with E15 -> E85?
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"Be safe!" says the guy running two strokes on alcohol & lighter fluid... :-) backbencher
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Veteran of the Third Battle of Tannhauser Gate.
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I may have posted about this before in this thread. I'm certain I've posted on Arfcom before.
The Classical Gas Pump Museum is located on Hwy. 65 on the road to Taos. If you blink you'll miss it. The owner has a couple of dozen pre-1970s style gas pumps; some date back to the 19teens! The ones that are coolest are the old glass-globe type, where you pump your purchase into a large glass globe on top of the pump and then gravity-feed it into your car. (He has about a half-dozen of those.) The museum owner says that there are a few still in use around the U.S.; some are novelties, for which you pay eight or ten dollars per gallon just to say you did it; others are located in remote places where electrical power is at a premium. He also has a building, saved from an old gas station/general store, housing a bunch of gas-station-related memorabilia. Link 1 Link 2 Images |
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Sort of bummed that I'm just stumbling across this. Incredible information Hawk.
I sort of fell into the world of gas stations by accident five years ago. I'm a real estate appraiser and was hired by a firm that deals predominantly in gas stations/c-stores (more than 95% of our work involves petroleum, with most being gas stations). I've learned a lot through my years appraising these sites, but it's neat to get the perspective of someone else in the industry. I thank you for this view into what's been around me for so long. |
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Originally Posted By TIG:
Great info!! Fighting the $75 card limit now at the local Hess. Doesn't matter if I choose debit or credit. How am I supposed to fill the 34 gallon tank in my diesel truck at around $3 a gallon. Can't even by more than 25 gallons I'd like to get an even larger tank and add some extra filtration. As it is I'm having to double swipe now and deal with multiple receipts/accounting entries. I've checked with the bank. My POS limit is fine on my business check card. I spoke with the station, just a worker, and they say it's corporate. They must have lowered it because I can see in my records that I purchased >$90 before mid Oct. Should I call corporate and complain or would I be wasting my breath? View Quote Walk inside. Ask clerk for 150.00 of diesel on pump 7. Fill your truck with 109.87 in fuel. The hold on the 150 bucks goes away and the card gets a 109.87 charge against it. |
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You don't see high-water alerts anymore because the ethanol makes water miscible into the gasoline?
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"I actually feel sorry for those people who completely leave their childhood behind. Every person I've ever met that fit that description was a mean spirited grumpy son of a bitch..." - cmjohnson
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Fighting the $75 card limit now at the local Hess. Doesn't matter if I choose debit or credit. How am I supposed to fill the 34 gallon tank in my diesel truck at around $3 a gallon. Can't even by more than 25 gallons I'd like to get an even larger tank and add some extra filtration. As it is I'm having to double swipe now and deal with multiple receipts/accounting entries. I've checked with the bank. My POS limit is fine on my business check card. I spoke with the station, just a worker, and they say it's corporate. They must have lowered it because I can see in my records that I purchased >$90 before mid Oct. Should I call corporate and complain or would I be wasting my breath? View Quote Survival forum fail!! You should never let the tank go below 1/2. 17 gal x $3 = No more problem. |
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Just to keep it in mind.
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Jesus is my Lord
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Bump.
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Glad to see this thread still alive
Lots of good info in it |
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Veteran of the Third Battle of Tannhauser Gate.
NM, USA
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n/m already posted re. "Classical Gas Station."
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
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Im still here also
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan
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Bump.
Hmmm, looks like I thought about this thread the same time last year. |
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan
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The walking thread .
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It never dies
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Great thread!
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There are hundreds of reasons to own a gun but it’s mostly the reasons I can't think of that make me glad to have them.
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Interesting read, thanks for posting.
Brings me to a question that I had a few months back. This whole area is low lying land with poor drainage. One of the local gas stations has a tank field that seems to have quite a bit of standing water (at least 6" at times) over the fill caps after a good storm. How good are the seals on those caps? I understand a bit of water will get in the main tank from condensation and the like regardless, but would I be asking for trouble if I bought gas there at that time or is it good to go? I've always avoided it myself, but commonly see people filling up with water standing on the fill caps and have to wonder. |
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Originally Posted By Chief1246:
Interesting read, thanks for posting. Brings me to a question that I had a few months back. This whole area is low lying land with poor drainage. One of the local gas stations has a tank field that seems to have quite a bit of standing water (at least 6" at times) over the fill caps after a good storm. How good are the seals on those caps? I understand a bit of water will get in the main tank from condensation and the like regardless, but would I be asking for trouble if I bought gas there at that time or is it good to go? I've always avoided it myself, but commonly see people filling up with water standing on the fill caps and have to wonder. View Quote In theory, the caps should have a watertight seal. However, those seals can fail and/or be subject to human error. My local truck stop just had this happen a couple of weeks ago. Standing melt-water from a huge snowstorm had covered the tops of the fill caps and had leaked into the underground tanks. They caught it when travelers were breaking down on the Interstate with water in their gas. Last count I heard was over 30 vehicles! (FWIW, the truck stop footed the repair bills for everyone that had trouble.) |
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you sound like a tech, didn't know there were any others on here
i do wayne, veederroot, incon, fuelmaster, opw, etc etc in arkansas for the southern company |
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Originally Posted By oden131:
you sound like a tech, didn't know there were any others on here i do wayne, veederroot, incon, fuelmaster, opw, etc etc in arkansas for the southern company View Quote |
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OP, all of your pictures are dead. Photobucket has blocked them from 3rd party hosting. I am... disappointed.
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9 lives - 9 pellets... Coincidence?
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Originally Posted By ske714:
OP, all of your pictures are dead. Photobucket has blocked them from 3rd party hosting. I am... disappointed. Imgur.com, TFW. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ske714:
OP, all of your pictures are dead. Photobucket has blocked them from 3rd party hosting. I am... disappointed. Imgur.com, FTW. View Quote plugin for firefox to show photobucket pics in forums. Chrome has one as well. |
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Originally Posted By Requiem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/photobucket-embedded-fix/ plugin for firefox to show photobucket pics in forums. Chrome has one as well. View Quote |
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9 lives - 9 pellets... Coincidence?
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Ill work on fixing the pics , I moved and havnt spent any time on arfcom since the move . I'm going to remedy that soon though , setting up an imgr account now and Ill start transferring every thing over and fixing links .\
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Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Ill work on fixing the pics , I moved and havnt spent any time on arfcom since the move . I'm going to remedy that soon though , setting up an imgr account now and Ill start transferring every thing over and fixing links .\ View Quote |
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this thread was like Vu Ja De.....
thought it was new but been here before |
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Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here
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Veteran of the Third Battle of Tannhauser Gate.
ID, USA
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Grammatik Faschist-Yes that's me in the hat
OK, USA
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Originally Posted By Lovelessk999: Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lovelessk999: Originally Posted By staringback05: good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. How do you "siphon" from a tank below ground to a vessel above ground? Do you mean 'pump"? |
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Grammatik Faschist-Yes that's me in the hat
OK, USA
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Originally Posted By Hawk_308: They arrested a guy last year or the year before down TX LA area that had a chevy dually pulling a 30 foot inclosed trailer with a 10,000 gall tank they had a electric high vol pump . They would pull over the tank field and drop a hose in the tank from a door in the trailer floor . The Tank monitor and a alert cashier caught them at a site. View Quote 10000 gallons of gasoline would be ~63,000 lbs gross. Bet they weren't towing 1.7 loaded 53' van beds of cargo with a Chevy dually. I could be wrong. Tanker rigs only hold 6000 gal. |
What may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Nothing makes a man's jollies feel more secure than a big bore handgun protecting the goods. Justabulletaway |
Grammatik Faschist-Yes that's me in the hat
OK, USA
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Originally Posted By kar98k: . Thanks for posting this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJK8MeyPopQ Do many stations have this fire suppression system? I've never noticed any buttons that say "in case of fire" on them. Or are they inside the cashier station? One thing I do when I fill up is try to locate the emergency pump shutoffs, just in case. On occasion I don't see them, but most are easily found and well labeled. View Quote The emergency shut-off is usually a red industrial slap switch on the pillar that holds the canopy. Should be one at every set of pumps labeled 'EMERGENCY SHUT-OFF'. |
What may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Nothing makes a man's jollies feel more secure than a big bore handgun protecting the goods. Justabulletaway |
Grammatik Faschist-Yes that's me in the hat
OK, USA
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What may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Nothing makes a man's jollies feel more secure than a big bore handgun protecting the goods. Justabulletaway |
Originally Posted By nickmemphis: How do you "siphon" from a tank below ground to a vessel above ground? Do you mean 'pump"? View Quote One definition of the verb siphon: to remove a liquid from one place and put it in another using a pipe or tube Or are you saying that you can't siphon off a liquid from a basin using a pump? |
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Originally Posted By Hawk_308: Just to show some times engineers can improve designs. This is a pump that installed in 2001 , Im the first person to work on it . Note how simple it they got it , simple is good. Im upgrading the software in the pic. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/Hawk_308/Funny/Picture1001.jpg You can see the valves on each side of the filter and solenoids that control it , note the double wall bottom to help disperse gas vapors before they make it to the electronics cabinet . View Quote Is there any 120v/240v in the actual dispenser or are they all 12-48v? Isn't safety another reason they separate the pump from the dispenser? Awesome thread, that's for keeping it updated! |
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I used to run an old school gas station. Our dispensers had suction pumps built into the base of the dispenser. There was a 220 volt motor driving the pump module via a fractional HP belt. I spent way more time under that dispenser than I wanted to.
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Not sure this was covered earlier. Been awhile since I read through the thread.
Any idea how old gasoline typically is when it reaches the gas station? |
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