Posted: 9/22/2009 10:27:36 AM EDT
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If your needing antibiotics to throw in the stash start
looking into something called Fish Mox Forte It is a penicillin type antibiotic that is available publicly for fish however I have used it several times and so has the rest of my family as well as many many other people I know. Just an FYI to avoid prescription limitation. |
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? Throw her in the pool and sprinkle some of the antifishbiotic flakes on the water. If the flakes reach the bottom before she can get them, you gave too much. Quoted:
And how long to treat? How long can she hold her breath? Pull her out of the water before then. |
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fellas. I'm a painting contractor and allergic to penicillin.
That being said treating yourself and your family with fish botics seems skecthy. I understand if your up against the wall and no other options avalaible but certainly we are not there yet. from my limited understanding certain boitics are for best suited for certain infections ––- the broad scattergun approach with fish penicillin seems like a recipe for grief. no other options? I'd say go for it, just my 2 cents worth. |
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? And how long to treat? Thanks I have no idea why members, possibility because their turf is being stepped on, have to play these tricky games with someone who is innocently trying to help out. Fish-Mox is amoxicillin and it isn't the D-O-C for gram-neg infections and the poster likely knows it. 
Length of treatment depends on the infection and the dose is easily referenced for most issues. IIRC, Fish-Mox is available for your fish in standard 250 and 500 mg capsules and the shelf life should be the same as any brand. Quality of fish meds is probably greater than those for humans because the consequences of causing an animal to die may nowadays be far worse than a human -thanks to PETA, etc. 
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? Throw her in the pool and sprinkle some of the antifishbiotic flakes on the water. If the flakes reach the bottom before she can get them, you gave too much. Quoted:
And how long to treat? How long can she hold her breath? Pull her out of the water before then. You owe me a keyboard.   
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I have no idea why members, possibility because their turf is being stepped on, have to play these tricky games with someone who is innocently trying to help out. That's a bit disingenuous of you, isn't it? You've participated in these kind of threads for years and know how the arguments go. In on page 1! 
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I have no idea why members, possibility because their turf is being stepped on, have to play these tricky games with someone who is innocently trying to help out. That's a bit disingenuous of you, isn't it? You've participated in these kind of threads for years and know how the arguments go. In on page 1! You're right! I was trying to be polite. 
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? Throw her in the pool and sprinkle some of the antifishbiotic flakes on the water. If the flakes reach the bottom before she can get them, you gave too much. Quoted:
And how long to treat? How long can she hold her breath? Pull her out of the water before then. Well played. |
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? And how long to treat? Thanks I have no idea why members, possibility because their turf is being stepped on, have to play these tricky games with someone who is innocently trying to help out. Fish-Mox is amoxicillin and it isn't the D-O-C for gram-neg infections and the poster likely knows it.
Length of treatment depends on the infection and the dose is easily referenced for most issues. IIRC, Fish-Mox is available for your fish in standard 250 and 500 mg capsules and the shelf life should be the same as any brand. Quality of fish meds is probably greater than those for humans because the consequences of causing an animal to die may nowadays be far worse than a human -thanks to PETA, etc.
Yeah, I was being a bit harsh , but, in general, shortcuts, workarounds, substitutions etc etc work best when employed by the experienced, not the inexperienced. I had a guy do some work at my house. He was good because it wasn't his first rodeo. He knew where to cut steps and more importantly where not to eliminate or substitute. He did stuff I would not, because if I did, I would have spent 2X as much on lumber because I would have screwed up the cuts and measurements.
In the case I posted, the most common gram negative infection in women is a urinary tract infection. And while, on paper, amoxil seems like a poor choice, it is excreted, mostly unchanged, in the urine. So the concentration of the drug the urine is off the charts. So, while it 'shouldn't work', it does so surprisingly well. The misuse of medications I see on a daily basis gets really old , doesn't help my patients and costs them staggering amounts of money. By the same token, I use a lot of shortcuts to save them tons of money too. |
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Well it cured my FIN-ROT.... Scales brightened up to.
Wow lot of responses I almost cried laughing. Why do I use it? Im prone to sinus infections and amox is the standard issue anti for it I know my dosing etc for my own body and have no qualms with pharma grade anti's sold for fish. however it is my decision to use them and I understand the risks associated. anyway this is just an alternative and if its a registered manufacturer it is pharmaceutical grade. (aka Human Grade) Dident think to search on this >MY FAULT SORRY< but anyway just another option thats out there. I'm not meaning for this to be taken regularly but if you need bulk to add to the shtf stash this is an option... Also in my experience stored right antibiotics last long past the expiration date. |
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I keep some Fish Mox on hand, but I'm aware of the risks of self-diagnosis and have no plans to administer/prescribe it myself. In SHTF the plan is to rustle up a doctor and have the Fish Mox available as a resource for his use, on the assumption that his normal supplies may be disrupted or depleted.
Lot of guys on this board have surgical kits but no surgical training, presumably on the same principal. |
| The only thing I would worry about when taking fish antibiotics is dosing and actually taking them. They come in pill form but they also come in kind of a scary looking pill form. I dont know if I would just take them straight out or mix them with water and then drink the water. |
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The only thing I would worry about when taking fish antibiotics is dosing and actually taking them. They come in pill form but they also come in kind of a scary looking pill form. I dont know if I would just take them straight out or mix them with water and then drink the water. You guys are making this incredibly complex. It's far more simple.
Sounds like we have been well brainwashed by the educational system, the media and all the PC movies folks waste their time on. 
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EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. 
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I didn't know that Cipro, and Tetracycline where available to. Do you no what pseudonym they reside under? Strange dosing of it? 250 or 500 mg.... exact same doses the Z-Pack comes in...... And many others.
Nothing strange about it. These 'fish' meds are not custom made for fish, that would be uneconomical. They are mostly made for PEOPLE and are made AVAILABLE for 'fish'. ETA Who knows, they may be machine rejects or floor sweepings that packers dropped on the floor. 
So might be the stuff from your drug store and the 'special sauce' on your burgers.
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You guys are making this incredibly complex. It's far more simple.
Sounds like we have been well brainwashed by the educational system, the media and all the PC movies folks waste their time on.
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EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. So......your position is that Joe Citizen should be able to go out out to Tractor Supply, buy a variety of animal antibiotics and treat his ill family members (including his kids) because it's all very simple and, after all, the "medical establishment" is just needlessly ripping him off since he can do it himself? My position is that I should be able to go to the pharmacy or local walmart and not have to resort to Tractor Supply and buy anti-biotics to treat my family if I choose, rather than pay $75 per pop to go have a doctor sign a scrip for something we already knew in the first place. If I screw up then it's shame on me. This is a a basic liberty as far as I'm concerned. But I supose it's for the chilrenz. |
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What would be an appropriate dose for a 51kg white female with a presumed gram negative infection? Throw her in the pool and sprinkle some of the antifishbiotic flakes on the water. If the flakes reach the bottom before she can get them, you gave too much. Quoted:
And how long to treat? How long can she hold her breath? Pull her out of the water before then. You owe me a keyboard.
Me too. My wife and I are both in tears laughing at that one.
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You guys are making this incredibly complex. It's far more simple.
Sounds like we have been well brainwashed by the educational system, the media and all the PC movies folks waste their time on.
[ETA Expy from experience. ]
EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. So......your position is that Joe Citizen should be able to go out out to Tractor Supply, buy a variety of animal antibiotics and treat his ill family members (including his kids) because it's all very simple and, after all, the "medical establishment" is just needlessly ripping him off since he can do it himself? My position is that I should be able to go to the pharmacy or local walmart and not have to resort to Tractor Supply and buy anti-biotics to treat my family if I choose, rather than pay $75 per pop to go have a doctor sign a scrip for something we already knew in the first place. If I screw up then it's shame on me. This is a a basic liberty as far as I'm concerned. But I supose it's for the chilrenz. OK, guess I'll go down this road after all. 
What did you know "in the first place"? That your family member was sick? That's pretty easy to figure out: Little Joey is ill. Gets a little harder when you have to ask the question "What's Little Joey's diagnosis?" Of course, you likely don't really care what Little Joey's diagnosis is, do you? He's sick, so he must need an antibiotic. You don't care that there's a vast array of diagnoses that don't require an antibiotic. Doesn't much matter to you that you don't know which drug would be the best choice for Little Joey because, after all, it's a basic liberty to screw this up. OK, so which drug will you pick? Hard to do when you don't really know what you're treating, isn't it? (Pardon me if you've actually been trained in diagnosing illnesses in humans, but I doubt that's the case.) Heck, you've only got two antibiotics in your SHTF supply so just give it a guess, right? How much can it matter? Pick one, pick the other, how much can it matter? They're antibiotics, they make people better, right? Oh, and if Little Joey should perhaps have a reaction to the meds you've prescribed him.....it's all on you. And if he happens to actually get worse on the drugs you've given him, you'll know just how to follow up, won't you? Go for it. 
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You guys are making this incredibly complex. It's far more simple.
Sounds like we have been well brainwashed by the educational system, the media and all the PC movies folks waste their time on.
[ETA Expy from experience. ]
EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. So......your position is that Joe Citizen should be able to go out out to Tractor Supply, buy a variety of animal antibiotics and treat his ill family members (including his kids) because it's all very simple and, after all, the "medical establishment" is just needlessly ripping him off since he can do it himself? My position is that I should be able to go to the pharmacy or local walmart and not have to resort to Tractor Supply and buy anti-biotics to treat my family if I choose, rather than pay $75 per pop to go have a doctor sign a scrip for something we already knew in the first place. If I screw up then it's shame on me. This is a a basic liberty as far as I'm concerned. But I supose it's for the chilrenz. OK, guess I'll go down this road after all.
What did you know "in the first place"? That your family member was sick? That's pretty easy to figure out: Little Joey is ill. Gets a little harder when you have to ask the question "What's Little Joey's diagnosis?" Of course, you likely don't really care what Little Joey's diagnosis is, do you? He's sick, so he must need an antibiotic. You don't care that there's a vast array of diagnoses that don't require an antibiotic. Doesn't much matter to you that you don't know which drug would be the best choice for Little Joey because, after all, it's a basic liberty to screw this up. OK, so which drug will you pick? Hard to do when you don't really know what you're treating, isn't it? (Pardon me if you've actually been trained in diagnosing illnesses in humans, but I doubt that's the case.) Heck, you've only got two antibiotics in your SHTF supply so just give it a guess, right? How much can it matter? Pick one, pick the other, how much can it matter? They're antibiotics, they make people better, right? Oh, and if Little Joey should perhaps have a reaction to the meds you've prescribed him.....it's all on you. And if he happens to actually get worse on the drugs you've given him, you'll know just how to follow up, won't you? Go for it.
Wow.  Ok well... playing along with your list of "what-if's"; what if Little Joey has a history of inner-ear infections and what if Little joey has the same symptoms he had with inner-ear infection a month ago, and what if you had access to the same anti-biotic when SHTF. I guess Little Joey can just deal with it because I am not a doctor and don't want to deal with what if's?
Screw that. Little Joey's gonna pop the fish pills. So, yeah. Going for it. |
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You guys are making this incredibly complex. It's far more simple.
Sounds like we have been well brainwashed by the educational system, the media and all the PC movies folks waste their time on.
[ETA Expy from experience. ]
EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. So......your position is that Joe Citizen should be able to go out out to Tractor Supply, buy a variety of animal antibiotics and treat his ill family members (including his kids) because it's all very simple and, after all, the "medical establishment" is just needlessly ripping him off since he can do it himself? My position is that I should be able to go to the pharmacy or local walmart and not have to resort to Tractor Supply and buy anti-biotics to treat my family if I choose, rather than pay $75 per pop to go have a doctor sign a scrip for something we already knew in the first place. If I screw up then it's shame on me. This is a a basic liberty as far as I'm concerned. But I supose it's for the chilrenz. OK, guess I'll go down this road after all.
What did you know "in the first place"? That your family member was sick? That's pretty easy to figure out: Little Joey is ill. Gets a little harder when you have to ask the question "What's Little Joey's diagnosis?" Of course, you likely don't really care what Little Joey's diagnosis is, do you? He's sick, so he must need an antibiotic. You don't care that there's a vast array of diagnoses that don't require an antibiotic. Doesn't much matter to you that you don't know which drug would be the best choice for Little Joey because, after all, it's a basic liberty to screw this up. OK, so which drug will you pick? Hard to do when you don't really know what you're treating, isn't it? (Pardon me if you've actually been trained in diagnosing illnesses in humans, but I doubt that's the case.) Heck, you've only got two antibiotics in your SHTF supply so just give it a guess, right? How much can it matter? Pick one, pick the other, how much can it matter? They're antibiotics, they make people better, right? Oh, and if Little Joey should perhaps have a reaction to the meds you've prescribed him.....it's all on you. And if he happens to actually get worse on the drugs you've given him, you'll know just how to follow up, won't you? Go for it.
Wow. Ok well... playing along with your list of "what-if's"; what if Little Joey has a history of inner-ear infections and what if Little joey has the same symptoms he had with inner-ear infection a month ago, and what if you had access to the same anti-biotic when SHTF. I guess Little Joey can just deal with it because I am not a doctor and don't want to deal with what if's?
Screw that. Little Joey's gonna pop the fish pills. So, yeah. Going for it. This sounds logical.... |
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It was funny at first, but almost all of these fish antibiotic topics end up with the exact same arguments and result in a train wreck. It is my understanding that advocacy of an illegal act (bypassing prescription requirements on drugs intended for human consumption through the purchase of veterinary antibiotics) is counter to the COC. We all have out opinions. Nobody is going to be convinced otherwise by anything posted here. This topic is better off locked. |
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. It was funny at first, but almost all of these fish antibiotic topics end up with the exact same arguments and result in a train wreck. It is my understanding that advocacy of an illegal act (bypassing prescription requirements on drugs intended for human consumption through the purchase of veterinary antibiotics) is counter to the COC. We all have out opinions. Nobody is going to be convinced otherwise by anything posted here. This topic is better off locked. How do you know? I thought it was mostly a Liberal tactic to try to supress free exchange of ideas when the exchange didn't suit them. |
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Ditto? If my fish needed Cipro, what brand/product name would I get for them???
I didn't know that Cipro, and Tetracycline where available to. Do you no what pseudonym they reside under? Strange dosing of it? 250 or 500 mg.... exact same doses the Z-Pack comes in...... |
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$10 for 90 day supply too expensive for people right?
Just talk to your Doc, if he won't allow you to store then ask another, and another. Easy. If a MD won't give up the sig then talk to a NP, then another, and another. Not hard, time consuming but finding a good practitioner always is. |
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EETA Oh, forgot the Medical Establishment. Don't want them to miss out on all the fine things $$$ can buy at the expense of Sheeple stupidity and blind subserviance. You caught us! We all go to school for years to learn Conspiracy 101. It is all a trick to get you to pay more money. Sometimes the hardest thing to treat is the individuals stupidity. Don't really mind though...when the patient develops CDiff, MRSA, VRE, losses their hearing, their kidneys or liver they eventually have to come to us...only this time we get to charge a hell of a lot more! 
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