Posted: 8/23/2009 10:23:54 AM EDT
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I have seen a few of these hit the headlines and wanted to see your thoughts on the matter. If a major event would disrupt things, there would be literally milliions of dogs that would become adandoned and released because the owners no longer were able to feed themselves, let alone their pets. I would think this would lead to wild packs, probably eventually becoming rabid or diseased running around with a huge appetite for anything. Something to think about. I think a good auto-loading shotgun would be in order.
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre'
A pack of dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased There was an older couple near here attacked and killed recently by a pack of wild dogs. I believe the woman was in her 60's and the man in his 70's. I don't think any of the dogs were from breeds known to be particularly aggressive either. I definitely think it would be another thing to have to plan for and to keep from killing you. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased There was an older couple near here attacked and killed recently by a pack of wild dogs. I believe the woman was in her 60's and the man in his 70's. I don't think any of the dogs were from breeds known to be particularly aggressive either. I definitely think it would be another thing to have to plan for and to keep from killing you. This is my concern. Although it might be more of a problem in cities, even on my rural BOL I can see this cropping up eventually. IF I was desperate enough I might consider this a source of food, but would want to ensure it was healthy... |
| They are a real problem now and would be a major problem if SHTF . The 22 idea is great if your hunting them out of a tree stand or secure location .The problem with wild dogs they will be hunting you also . All those senses that make them great to have around will make them a threat when coming after you. All I can say is have no mercy on them if things get bad because they will have none on you nor your family . We would get packs of wild dogs around home growing up and we would shoot on site because of what they do to live stock and a couple attacks on humans. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack of dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. Did it taste like chicken? 
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.22 with a CAN. quiet quick and cheap. Would you want to trust a .22 with a larger group of 'em? I like the quiet and cheap part... just not sold on reliably dropping a pack of them without injury. I think he can bring enough .22 to the fight  evidently some folks have never been on the receiving end of a feral dog attack. They don't just sit there waiting for you to place your killer .22 shot, and they are VERY tough. Facing a pack with a .22 is an invitation to get your azz handed to you. Yeah, I've been there, done that, but I used a .30 carbine with SP bullets, while my bud took the faster ones out with a Browning Sweet 16 and #1 Buck. |
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Monsters Quest just had a show on a few nights ago about Wild dogs and the problems with them it was really good ,
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack of dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. Did it taste like chicken? Thats cat dog is more like beef! Drunken nights in Japan man that was fun times!! 
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.22 with a CAN. quiet quick and cheap. Would you want to trust a .22 with a larger group of 'em? I like the quiet and cheap part... just not sold on reliably dropping a pack of them without injury. I think he can bring enough .22 to the fight go read any varmint hunting forum and see how many people are hunting coyotes w/ .22s. you won't find any, even the guys who sit in tree stands are using .223, .22-250 and larger. coyotes generally run up to about 35 lbs, so many dogs will easily outsize them. one big difference btwn coyotes and feral dogs is the coyote will generally run the other way when they see or smell you. i don't think the feral dogs would. dog attacks have been in the news here as well. an elderly women in a rural area was mauled and killed when she walked to her mail box. more recently a teen age boy was bit numerous times while riding his bike. if TSHTF there will be a lot of dog packs running every where. |
| Un-domesticated dogs are usually very aggressive and frequently attack people and larger livestock in central TX. My experience is that 12 ga or SP .223 is very effective against these or pit bulls. I would suggest 12 ga w/ 9 pellet OO, as even some fellow LEO's that shoot IPSC have trouble hitting a smaller, charging target with a carbine or pistol. 223's great if you have 50 yds or more. FYI. |
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.22 with a CAN. quiet quick and cheap. Would you want to trust a .22 with a larger group of 'em? I like the quiet and cheap part... just not sold on reliably dropping a pack of them without injury. I think he can bring enough .22 to the fight evidently some folks have never been on the receiving end of a feral dog attack. They don't just sit there waiting for you to place your killer .22 shot, and they are VERY tough. Facing a pack with a .22 is an invitation to get your azz handed to you. Yeah, I've been there, done that, but I used a .30 carbine with SP bullets, while my bud took the faster ones out with a Browning Sweet 16 and #1 Buck. Quoted:
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.22 with a CAN. quiet quick and cheap. Would you want to trust a .22 with a larger group of 'em? I like the quiet and cheap part... just not sold on reliably dropping a pack of them without injury. I think he can bring enough .22 to the fight go read any varmint hunting forum and see how many people are hunting coyotes w/ .22s. you won't find any, even the guys who sit in tree stands are using .223, .22-250 and larger. coyotes generally run up to about 35 lbs, so many dogs will easily outsize them. one big difference btwn coyotes and feral dogs is the coyote will generally run the other way when they see or smell you. i don't think the feral dogs would. dog attacks have been in the news here as well. an elderly women in a rural area was mauled and killed when she walked to her mail box. more recently a teen age boy was bit numerous times while riding his bike. if TSHTF there will be a lot of dog packs running every where. both you guys missed the point of my . Would you have understood if I had used   ?
To quote a friend of mine The 17Rem is proof that some kid kept thinking "if I could only get a little gunpowder to fire in the pellet gun." That kid grew up and made the 17Rem.[/qoute]
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When I used to deer hunt the southerm teir in GA we had problems with packs of wild dogs. You would spot them in groups of 3-4, looking like they moght have been domesicated, but nasty, dirty and mean. I had one come at me one morning heading to my stand _ about a 3 mile hike from camp. the 9 mm SIG put one down and scared the other two off without a problem.
Had another case where a guy shot one, I helped him track it and field dress it. I took my uncles three wheeler to go haul it out and it was about an hour past dusk I could hear them making there way around as I was loading it up to drive back. I wouldn't overlook the threats these things could present in a SHTF. |
| They would be a major problem in SHTF. The sheep can't take care of themselves why would they think they could take care of fluffy? But getting a new gun just for dogs doesn't make sense. If you're getting attacked you'll use whatever you have with you. Same if you see a wild dog and decide to take care of it before you get attacked. Dogs are just another threat to think about when choosing your primary. Not that getting a new gun is a bad thing. |
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unless of course, the animal is diseased There was an older couple near here attacked and killed recently by a pack of wild dogs. I believe the woman was in her 60's and the man in his 70's. I don't think any of the dogs were from breeds known to be particularly aggressive either. I definitely think it would be another thing to have to plan for and to keep from killing you. Is this the attack you were thinking of? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/19/georgia.dog.attack/index.html For something like that, I'd want a good shotgun. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack of dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. Did it taste like chicken? Kung Pao Canine. |
I've looked towards the fact that if the shit hits the fan hard enough here in the states that there will be millions of abandoned pets running around in packs, wreaking terror. And that they'll be one of the main sources of meat when the shelves are empty and I'm living on my preps, out looking to keep food on the table over term. What they do to the unwashed masses of sheep I could care less unless it's someone I know, or looks worth saving. Ammo supplies will need to be conserved and not wasted. I wouldn't be out hunting them actively with only my 10/22 that's for sure. Either with another person carry one of mine or their battlerifles, or me alone with my CX4 slung across my back and 92FS in holster, with the 10/22 in hand. If it's real crazy out still than I won't be going anywhere without one of my M1A's.
Meats meat though and I'm a carnivore. 
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We see about one or two folks a year in one of the ERs where I work who get attacked by packs on the nearby indian reservation. I have seen some pretty impressive wounds, although I have not seen anyone killed yet.
I was working one day, and this great big fat guy walks through the ER. He has a huge belly hanging over his belt line, and an old torn up '80s heavy metal band t shirt on, and a glock on a holster on his hip. I do a double take, and then say, "who's that?". The response was, "animal control on the rez".
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Tj Story Time
When I was a boy I spent much of my life on the family farm. My grandfather was an avid hunter and was very proud of his hunting dogs. Wild dogs were always a problem but not an easy one to address for unlike wolves etc., your neighbors dogs would run with the pack of wild dogs. One morning we woke up to find one of my grandfathers prize hunting dogs dead. The pack had broke into his pen and tore the poor animal to pieces. That was the straw that broke the camels back and we set about posting signs for our neighbors to keep there dogs in on this Saturday night for we intended to waste every dog that sat foot on our property. That night my grandfather and I sat on his back porch rifles in hand drinking beer. The house sat on a hill so gave us a commanding view of the bottom below. We waited till the pack was in the middle of the field then opened up on them, always turning them back towards the center by timing our shots. I can't tell you how many dogs we wasted that night. I can tell you it was actually great fun and a memory of "man" time I spent with my grandfather I will never forget. We received no complaints from our neighbors. The dogs were gathered via tractor and wagon the next day which we buried in a mass grave. We also didn't have a problem after that. Tj |
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unless of course, the animal is diseased There was an older couple near here attacked and killed recently by a pack of wild dogs. I believe the woman was in her 60's and the man in his 70's. I don't think any of the dogs were from breeds known to be particularly aggressive either. I definitely think it would be another thing to have to plan for and to keep from killing you. Is this the attack you were thinking of? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/19/georgia.dog.attack/index.html For something like that, I'd want a good shotgun. yes, that's the one |
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.22 with a CAN. quiet quick and cheap. snip. both you guys missed the point of my . Would you have understood if I had used ?
To quote a friend of mine The 17Rem is proof that some kid kept thinking "if I could only get a little gunpowder to fire in the pellet gun." That kid grew up and made the 17Rem.[/qoute]
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(1) Ferrel dogs are a problem now due to the economy. People are letting their dog run free when they get the boot from their house.
(2) When running loose dogs will pack. If they spend any time packing with other dogs they will attack humans. (3) Dogs are competition for food in desperate times, so shoot and kill ANY loose dog you see. (4) If I have to compete against your dog for a meal and you allow him to run free, I will kill him on sight. |
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Tj Story Time When I was a boy I spent much of my life on the family farm. My grandfather was an avid hunter and was very proud of his hunting dogs. Wild dogs were always a problem but not an easy one to address for unlike wolves etc., your neighbors dogs would run with the pack of wild dogs. One morning we woke up to find one of my grandfathers prize hunting dogs dead. The pack had broke into his pen and tore the poor animal to pieces. That was the straw that broke the camels back and we set about posting signs for our neighbors to keep there dogs in on this Saturday night for we intended to waste every dog that sat foot on our property. That night my grandfather and I sat on his back porch rifles in hand drinking beer. The house sat on a hill so gave us a commanding view of the bottom below. We waited till the pack was in the middle of the field then opened up on them, always turning them back towards the center by timing our shots. I can't tell you how many dogs we wasted that night. I can tell you it was actually great fun and a memory of "man" time I spent with my grandfather I will never forget. We received no complaints from our neighbors. The dogs were gathered via tractor and wagon the next day which we buried in a mass grave. We also didn't have a problem after that. Tj Good story. Makes me wish I had an older male that liked guns around when I was younger. 
Oh well I'll make up for it now!
But as has been sad, feral dogs are a problem now and are a problem I believe will continue to grow. 12 Gauge ought to take care of them for me. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased Tens of thousands of years ago, primitive man came up with a way to handle that: It's called "cooking". |
| FWIW a cheap stun gun will get most dogs running. No need to make contact, the noise and the electrical arcing scare the hell out of them. I've never seen anything get rid of a stray (without killing it) like one of these. At the least it could move them away far enough to start shooting if a pack was up on you. |
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Don't underestimate dogs!
I've been bitten by dogs more than anyone at the S/O I work at and I've also killed more than the the rest of the department, combined. Don't trust a shotgun loaded with buckshot to stop a dog and using a rimfire .22 against a agressive dog is more dangerous for you than the dog. A guy I used to work with was literally chased onto the hood of his patrol car by a pit bull. He shot it on the top of the head from a range of about 3 feet with a 12ga. and #4buckshot. The dog was knocked down, but tried to jump onto the car after him again. He put another blast into it's neck, which killed it. I've stopped a charging german shephard and a charging chow, each with a .45acp. I've killed a couple of dogs with .22lr, but only when the risk of over penetration in a incorporated area was a concern, otherwise I use a handgun. Haven't used a carbine yet. ETA: I forgot about the great pyrnees I dropped with a 60gr. Hornady TAP to the head= DRT. Remember, when dogs run in packs, they feed off the aggression of each other just like criminals do. When they bite they thrash around just like a shark does. I had my head in the sand about 2 months ago and got nailed by a pit bull- twice. Another officer and I were trying to "catch" 2 pit bulls that were running in a residential neighborhood. Both dogs had collars and tags and the other officer quickly caught the larger of the two by the collar and put it inside his patrol car. We goofed around for 20 minutes trying to catch the other one which was probably 6 or 7 months old. Well, the other guy grabs it by the collar and it immediately starts thrashing about, trying to bite the other officer. I grabbed the dog by it's neck with both hands to try to control it's head and keep it from biting the other guy. 
The dog bit my left wrist and and tore open a small artery which bled like hell. It then bit my right wrist and luckily it just tore ragged holes in my skin and muscle tissue without hitting another artery or tendon. We held the dog down on the ground and the other guy looks at me and asks, "now what" ? We got the dog in his car and I drove myself to the hospital. I won't do that again. Just think how bad things could have been if the dog tore tendons in both wrists, not to mention the artery. I may not have been able to use either hand to defend myself by any means. The dogs had been aggressive toward me before the other officer arrived and the only thing that kept me from being bitten up to that time was that I was using my flashlight like a prod/baton to keep them back. I even hit the larger one on the side of the head . They were okay when I first approached them. The larger one was very close and getting used to me when the smaller one barked behind him. It startled the larger one, which began to bark and from then on they worked each other into a frenzy. The other guy is pretty good with dogs and didn't have much trouble at all getting it into his car. I understimated the smaller one, and paid. A pack of dogs should be considered a very serious threat. I would advise against using a .22 rimfire unless that's all you had available or for some reason you are worried about shooting through and through. Using a "can", suppressor, potato, whatever, on a .22 to quietly kill dogs is a good idea only in a perfect world. Dogs bark even when not being shot at, a dog that is shot and not instantly killed is going to squeal, scream, bark and raise all kinds of hell. |
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i have had a pack of 1 year old ridgeback chase me back into my home. There where 7. I tried to slam ones head in the door. I grabbed by glock and the mag. did not feed. I sold the glock and bought a real gun. I wish I would have grabbed the shotgun but it was in the other room. I went and bitched the neighbor out like none other. Called the S.O. to let them know that I would be shooting the dogs if they came back. They told me to do what needed to be done and that a report was already filed on the neighbors.
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With over 13.1 million Asians in the U.S. during the 2006 census, and an average consumption of 1 dog per week per person, we probably will run out of dogs on about 10 - 12 weeks.
The good news is Chinese restaurants will be open long after most others have closed .
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I live in song dog country and have in the last few years started thinning out the breeding population. I have nothing against Yotes and actually love listening to them on a cold winter evening. In the last few years they have started to pick up a few feral dogs and they need to be controlled. These are not wild born dogs but more likely dogs that folks from Chicago dropped off on the weekend out in front of that nice looking farm. (Yes, more than you could imagine. We have picked them up put 'em in the truck and chased down the "owners" and returned their abandoned animals twice now). Anyhoo, Yotes will scramble when you shoot one of 'em unless you can get them 400 yards out and they don't hear the shot right away. Dogs will keep coming. I opt for my 270 as it is usually a one shot deal but I did nail a mongrel GS that took two to take it down. Musta been over 100#. I would not even think about a .22. It turns out after a couple of years of hunting I learned that the dogs were the problem, not the yotes and once shot at a few times the Yotes stay away and learn. The dogs don't seem to. Moral of the story is in the OP's post you will have to deal with 'em. First time you may think you killing ol shep but they are much more than a nuisance and need to be dealt with. If someone in the neighborhood is letting ol shep run with the packs you are doing the neighborhood a favor. Being the owner of 2 Saint Bernards I would take care of that problem right away if I could not keep them. I could not imagine turning a hungry 165# dog loose into the wild. And certainly would not want to take that on with a .22. |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased Tens of thousands of years ago, primitive man came up with a way to handle that: It's called "cooking". I'd have to be damned hungry and damn near dying to eat a diseased dog anything....even if it was cooked |
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased Tens of thousands of years ago, primitive man came up with a way to handle that: It's called "cooking". I'd have to be damned hungry and damn near dying to eat a diseased dog anything....even if it was cooked Welcome to TEOTWAWKI.... Dog, the other white meat?
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I ate dog when I was in Korea. I was unaware of the fact that it was dog meat at the time, but once I was educated, and my initial reaction subsided, I realized that dog makes a pretty good entre' A pack pf dogs running around your AO is nothing more than untapped nutrition. A shotgun would tear up too much meat and leave lead pellets to be found by brittle teeth. A .22 would be a far superior choice for dispatching scooby doo and friends. unless of course, the animal is diseased Tens of thousands of years ago, primitive man came up with a way to handle that: It's called "cooking". I'd have to be damned hungry and damn near dying to eat a diseased dog anything....even if it was cooked Welcome to TEOTWAWKI.... Dog, the other white meat? good point....but still 
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| I don't worry too much about wild dog packs after SHTF. Because it doesn't take too long before they are all shot and eaten. Many dog breeds came close to extinction during WWII. I've got an 11-month old akita (another breed that came close to extinction during WWII) and the wife and I both know that after TSHTF we'll have to take her outside for potty breaks under armed guard. Same goes for our cats. |
| More story time, we had problems with wild dogs some years ago. Killed 2 of our dogs. One day I am working in the garden when I heard them baying in our woods. Grabbed the 870 and snuck up on them, they had a doe down and were trying to polish her off. I started with the biggest and worked my way down. OO bucket, all were DRT. They just laid down. Cleaned up the rest of them the next month. Once again OO buck DRT except for the last one, he was at 50 yards and hammer down when I shot he yelped and limped off never to be seen again. IMHO up close and personal shotgun farther out any rifle will work. |