Posted: 6/29/2009 5:21:23 PM EDT
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Not enough information to make a detailed assessment of equipment needs.
Are these guys going to be camping overnight? If these guys are woodsmen, and/or hunters, chances are they've already got some camo of some sort stashed away. I'd tell them to use that first. Since the focus is on early warning, I would try to keep their loads light... If they are foot movers, they need to be able to move fast. I don't want them weighed down with enough ammo and weaponry to start WWIII. I would suggest a basic rifle with a scope for one of them, and possibly a shotgun from home for the other. I would expect that any real hunter worth a damn has more than a 22... then again, I'm from the bible belt where one would expect at least a 30.06 as a main hunting weapon. If they didn't have that, I'd try to find one - probably easier to find a good, reliable 30.06 and ammo than to find a good, reliable AR15 plus ammo. Also, I would expect more familiarity with that cartridge and weapon type. I just saw that you are expecting them to be on their own for up to 7 days. I would say that is probably not a realistic expectation... it's damn hard to carry enough food for someone to stay active and alert for 7 days straight, and I doubt that I'm going to find enough mountain house to do that in the first place. As far as delaying actions go... I don't think that's too realistic either. You're just not gonna be able to get two guys to carry 7 days worth of food, plus ammo, plus camping gear while expecting them to remain mobile. You're talking about an enormous amount of weight, and provisions that aren't gonna be easy to find. Finally, if these guys are just a 2 man team, 10 miles away, on foot... what do you expect them to do if they get assaulted by more than just a lone ranger and tanto? It's a veritable death sentence. I don't care if a man has woods experience... trying to escape and evade, on foot, 10 miles from backup, while being shot at... that's not something that your average joe blow is gonna be able to do at the drop of a hat. Shit, I couldn't be convinced to do that... why would I try and convince someone else it's a good idea? Given this scenario, I'm going to go with the following... Find the roadway choke points in to and out of my community, set up my 2 man spotter teams in such a way that I can deploy them by vehicle, and provide evac and/or support by vehicle. Rotate the guys out every day or so, making sure that nobody is stuck watching the same area continuously for more than they can stay functional and alert. If they see something, their purpose in life is to report in and call up the Calvary as needed... not to start shooting, or to make contact of any kind. I want them out of sight, hidden, and safe. Since they're cold camping, I would go to the store with the intent to buy insulation... although I'd wager that these guys, being hunters, probably have some already. I'd round out whoever doesn't have enough insulation to stay perfectly warm and dry overnight. My second emphasis is on reliable communication gear, then binoculars and spotting scopes if I can get them. Fill out whatever camo is needed. |
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Find them the best rifle in 5.56 or 7.62 (nato or x39) and all the ammo that they can carry. Then tell them to use the rifle and ammo that they have to take whatever other shit they need.  CAREFUL O-HI, this fella's your neighbor! There is deffinately gonna be a "Darwin Effect" if anything ever does happen. Clean up the gene pool some. As for the topic of your post: I got a buch of stuff I got to do, and take care of, my time is limited. |
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IMHO... you'd better off keeping them 0-5 miles in..on all HT's 2m etc, use their hunting camo and whatever gear they have, supplement where they lack. set up LP/OP's with 1-3 lay ups and cache points. basically these guys will be tripwires and intel gatherer's, send em out for 3-5 days only. they can re supply at those lay ups /cache points to make sure they arent followed into town just to get more TP. most hunters even bow hunters will have a 30-30, 30-06 or 308. if they dont, i'd give them all some sort of milsurp if S/A MBR's cant be had. small load outs 4-5 mags for rifles and 150 rounds if lose( bolt guns). they arent there to fight but to get intel and get back to defend town. sides that think lrrp |
| 2500 for each team? I would buy the bare nessecities. it they dont need it they dont get it.food shelter and water are needed for sure camo is something they should have since they are hunters. as for firearms berettas 92 fs or S&W M&P 9's ammo is cheap and the pistols carry more than eight rounds. as for rifles 223 is ok but I would prefer 7.62 or 6.8. |
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I got to thinking about this and erased my entire post.
Guns- run what you brung they are a recon team not an attack force. When I lived in Ohio most folks had a shotgun, bow and 22 any handgun will work Camping- hit gander, bass pro and cabelas for 4 man tent, sleeping pads/bags and packs along with a cheap cook kit, stove, and water filter also get good binoculars and spoyying scopes to glass main roads from hilltops. mountain house or mre for food. Comm is the trick I know little about it and the terrain of the area would make line of sight comms hard to use. |
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IMHO... you'd better off keeping them 0-5 miles in..on all HT's 2m etc, use their hunting camo and whatever gear they have, supplement where they lack.
set up LP/OP's with 1-3 lay ups and cache points. basically these guys will be tripwires and intel gatherer's, send em out for 3-5 days only. they can re supply at those lay ups /cache points to make sure they arent followed into town just to get more TP. most hunters even bow hunters will have a 30-30, 30-06 or 308. if they dont, i'd give them all some sort of milsurp if S/A MBR's cant be had. small load outs 4-5 mags for rifles and 150 rounds if lose( bolt guns). they arent there to fight but to get intel and get back to defend town. sides that think lrrp
This but send out a team of one woodsmen one not quite up to speed guy They will be in a semi-static environment a good part of the time. He is basically training his replacement/partner. Keep the others back to begin training more less experienced people. After 4 days rotate and continue. People die. LP/OPs are in fact a tripwire. Sometimes that wire gets broken. Plus sending all the experienced people out means you have no way to relieve them/give them down time. Thus they get worn out or broken quicker. As far as equipping them is it better to drop $5K on each team and have no replacement stuff OR would it be better to invest that money in say––raw materials (cloth for uniforms, gun smithing tools/spare parts/cleaning supplies to keep what you got running longer, canvas to build tents etc). Amatuers study tactics. Professionals study logistics. i do not mean this as an insult. When planning for you just yourself or you and your immediate family, the priority is making sure you have the basics covered for everyone. When looking at doing this for a large group/community sustaining the force takes on a different meaning. It isn't about having the best you can afford for 2 or 3 people, it becomes having enough for those 2 or 3 people, their neighbors AND their replacements. Ifyou and family if applicable die well no big deal (yep it sucks your dead but your gear is now a non-factor to you)your gear goes to your whoever killed you. If one of your teams die the Community just lost all their cool shit that they can't replace. |
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Frankly, it seems you need to worry about training and not equipment. Just another thread on "equipment" and not the know-how to use it. John x1000. I wouldn't be so concerned about equipping them but training them. Sure they may be "woodsmen" but a woodmen does NOT equal a recon patrolman. |
Two people questioned it and you gave up? 