[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Carrying three guns (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/7/2009 7:13:29 AM EDT
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I've put off asking this question here for fear of being overrun with safety lectures, etc. So if that's all you have to offer, please spare me.
I'm looking for a way to carry 3 guns at once: an AR, a pistol, and a tactical (18" barrel) shotgun. I already have systems for the rifle (a GS-2P) and the pistol (drop leg holster) that I like and intend to keep. Does anyone have any creative ways to carry a shotgun along with the other two guns? I want it to be reachable and have the ability for quick deployment, but when it's not being used I don't want it flopping around and getting in the way so I want it secured fairly tightly. I'm getting a MOLLE load bearing vest, so that may offer some areas for placement on my back. I'm even thinking of something like a shotgun holster or scabbard acrossed my back (??), but not sure how that would work. Any thoughts? And I know I probably won't be allowed to use this system on 3-gun matches, etc., I'm just looking for something to screw around with. Thanks for any input. |
Kind of funny, I've been toying with the idea during times of boardum, wondering how exactly it would work. It is of course a very impractical thing, more of a "SHTF commando" type thing.
The best I've been able to come up with was a 1pt sling for the AR, drop leg holster for the pistol, but I too am stuck on the shotty. I was dreaming up some sort of one/two point sling with a forward point that could be quickly detached and swung under the arm to be deployed. I didn't think about a scabbard or sheath, though. |
| Carry the handgun on right side in holster. Carry AR across chest with a GS-2P or similiar sling. Carry shotgun on left shoulder with standard sling muzzle pointed down. Shotgun is deployed by grasping handguard with left hand and turning it as you come up. I heard someone say that this is the way that some african hunters do it. I have practiced it some and it doesn't seem slow. |
The only way I could see for any sort of reasonable deployment speed would be to carry the shotgun in some sort of quiver or something-like the mil guys do in the sandbox. During carbine classes I carry my USP45 in a BladeTech belt holster and my LE6920 with a Wilderness Giles Sling. Between my pistol, M4, and two different kinds of reloads I don't know how the hell the mil guys do it-they have a lot more gear to keep track of than I do 
ETA: I think I like Glazer's idea better than mine. |
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The only way I could see for any sort of reasonable deployment speed would be to carry the shotgun in some sort of quiver or something-like the mil guys do in the sandbox. During carbine classes I carry my USP45 in a BladeTech belt holster and my LE6920 with a Wilderness Giles Sling. Between my pistol, M4, and two different kinds of reloads I don't know how the hell the mil guys do it-they have a lot more gear to keep track of than I do
ETA: I think I like Glazer's idea better than mine. Do these really exist? Not finding any info online. I would hate to have to rig up my own thing...I'm sure it would be crappier that something you could buy. |
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Do these really exist? Not finding any info online. I would hate to have to rig up my own thing...I'm sure it would be crappier that something you could buy. I have no idea if they are a commercial product, or something improvised. I have a buddy in the sandbox and I'd be happy to ask him-although it usually takes quite a while for him to respond. He's used to (and very patient with) my dumbass, off the wall questions. This one should be a snap 
ETA: To clarify, it's my questions that are usually dumbass questions-not yours. ETAA: No shit, check this out MOLLE Shotgun Scabbard |
| I thought people would rag on anyone that wanted to carry three guns also, but I was surprised to see how many people carry two long guns when I looked through the gear forum. I don't think the weight of a pistol grip 18inch shotgun would be too bad, its just that 12 gauge ammo is so heavy... |
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The preditor M16 with the shotgun/master key
SBS or shotgun? I would custom make a dropleg for the saiga SBS/folded stock and 10rd mag, pistol same on the other side and the Ar slung however you like it. Other than a scabbord as others have said, or a single point on the SG, with a velcro strap on a waist belt, to keep the muzzle form flipping around. |
| If a right-handed shooter perhaps try shotgun slung over your left shoulder across your back with the muzzle pointed down (muzzle behind your right thigh), rifle slung over your right shoulder across your chest muzzle down (muzzle in front of your left thigh), and your pistol in a drop-leg holster on your right thigh. |
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Do these really exist? Not finding any info online. I would hate to have to rig up my own thing...I'm sure it would be crappier that something you could buy. I have no idea if they are a commercial product, or something improvised. I have a buddy in the sandbox and I'd be happy to ask him-although it usually takes quite a while for him to respond. He's used to (and very patient with) my dumbass, off the wall questions. This one should be a snap
ETA: To clarify, it's my questions that are usually dumbass questions-not yours. ETAA: No shit, check this out MOLLE Shotgun Scabbard AWESOME! That is exactly what I was thinking of. I don't know why I couldn't find it. Thanks guys. BTW, that dude looks like a freaking kid...how the hell does he have such sweet gear? Looks almost exactly like what I'm trying to put together. |
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I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg His Arfcom BFL patch is on upside-down 
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Honestly the only reason I can see for carrying a shotty and a rifle is you're .Mil or a LEO for dynamic breaching. For a civvy during SHTF? Nah you're better off using the weight for more food or a change of clothing than a 3rd firearm and ammo to support it. That being said I'm moving this to SF as it's not an AR topic. |
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Quoted: Looks right side up to me, ejector at bottom, exctractor at the top.Quoted: I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg His Arfcom BFL patch is on upside-down |
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Got this out of the "Gear Pr0n" thread. The shotgun scabbard is made by a company called SKT industries. From what I can gather, they are in OR and do not have a website. SKT Industries is a life long friend of mine and I have been helping him at the local gun shows. Here is contact info Scott Carlile 206.663.4461 [email protected] He is located in Seattle, Washington. |
| In Iraq I carried my benelli attached to the right side of my patrol pack (camelbak/molle style) - I would secure it muzzle up with the bottom strap under the grip and top strap holding the barrel in place. It would hold secure when running and climbing over walls and all I needed to do to release it was hit the bottom buckle and the shotgun would come right out - probably not as efficient as the scabbard shown above but it worked really well for me. |
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I think I've read something about a "Trooper Division" in 3-Gun competitions where they have to carry all their gear with them throughout the day. I bet they have some slick set-ups. I've got to run now, but I'll look for it when I get back if no one with primary knowledge of it has chimed in. |
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Quoted: I think I've read something about a "Trooper Division" in 3-Gun competitions where they have to carry all their gear with them throughout the day. I bet they have some slick set-ups. I've got to run now, but I'll look for it when I get back if no one with primary knowledge of it has chimed in. Excellent point, I had forgotten about 'Trooper Class'. I've seen the scabbard in the Sportsmans Guide (or was it CTD?) catalog. I wonder how well it would work with a fully stocked shotgun? |
| It's really pretty simple, and not at all expensive. For sustainment packing order shove the shotgun inside your ruck (if I need to tell you to unload it first, you have far bigger issues to deal with). For a fighting load, carry it like a breaching gun- across the back using a bungee cord as a sling. It keeps it against the body, out of the way, and easy to use. I blew a lot of doors off using that set-up BITD. |
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I think I've read something about a "Trooper Division" in 3-Gun competitions where they have to carry all their gear with them throughout the day. I bet they have some slick set-ups. I've got to run now, but I'll look for it when I get back if no one with primary knowledge of it has chimed in. Excellent point, I had forgotten about 'Trooper Class'. I've seen the scabbard in the Sportsmans Guide (or was it CTD?) catalog. I wonder how well it would work with a fully stocked shotgun? probably both, they're made by voodoo tactical and quite economic, i have no idea of their quality though... major surplus seems to be the main distributer for voodoo tactical, but CTD(not anymore) and sportsman guide, i'm sure amongst many others are getting their stuff from voodoo and reselling... K. |
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Get an Eberlestock X-2, put a shotgun scabbard on one side and a rifle scabbard on the other.
I personally don't like having longarms slung for long periods of time as it makes it hard to move. |
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I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg His Arfcom BFL patch is on upside-down Looks right side up to me. Pathfinder |
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I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. [u=http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg[/url] [uttp://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg[/url] I kind of like that. I might have to look into something like that. |
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Wow, that is a lot of weight to be carrying at one time. AR=~15lbs, shotgun=~10lbs, pistol=~5lbs. Total weight ~40lbs. And that's before water, food, extra ammo, nylon gear, etc. And body armor. And flashlight, phone, knife, keys, etc. The OP should sign up for some training to see why carrying a shotgun in addition to a sidearm is going to be a pain in the ass in addition to other places. Besides, if SHTF, are you really going to go looking to use all that? I'd be perfectly happy not even firing a shot and not having my AR out and my pistol concealed. John |
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I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg I'd like to see Mr. Grissman carry all that for six miles then engage two targets at 50 meters, firing two COM hits inside an 8" circle in under 5 seconds. Frankly, it looks like he's using a lot of muscle just to keep the rifle from hanging. John ETA: Not to dogpile, but no BUIS, coupled with a safe-queen appearance of his guns, and his pistola mags in backwards... And WTF is that 37mm crap? Gonna bring a flare gun to a gun fight? I repeat that he needs to quit buying accessories and start purchasing some training. |
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I actually just saw a pic of a guys set up in a bug out gear thread. http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3472497638_c74bec8aab_b.jpg http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/robbertian/3449284260_977a9b74c9_b.jpg I'd like to see Mr. Grissman carry all that for six miles then engage two targets at 50 meters, firing two COM hits inside an 8" circle in under 5 seconds. Frankly, it looks like he's using a lot of muscle just to keep the rifle from hanging. John ETA: Not to dogpile, but no BUIS, coupled with a safe-queen appearance of his guns, and his pistola mags in backwards... And WTF is that 37mm crap? Gonna bring a flare gun to a gun fight? I repeat that he needs to quit buying accessories and start purchasing some training. He must like playing soldier cause he can't seriously want to bring a flare gun to a fire fight. Training>toys |
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Do these really exist? Not finding any info online. I would hate to have to rig up my own thing...I'm sure it would be crappier that something you could buy. I have no idea if they are a commercial product, or something improvised. I have a buddy in the sandbox and I'd be happy to ask him-although it usually takes quite a while for him to respond. He's used to (and very patient with) my dumbass, off the wall questions. This one should be a snap
ETA: To clarify, it's my questions that are usually dumbass questions-not yours. ETAA: No shit, check this out MOLLE Shotgun Scabbard If you need a nice small Camper Machete buy it here then you get the MOLLE Shotgun Scabbard for free. Thats how I got mine did not get to pick the color of the Shotgun Scabbard gave it to me is the new Army digital  but it was free and it works great.
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Quoted: I thought people would rag on anyone that wanted to carry three guns also, but I was surprised to see how many people carry two long guns when I looked through the gear forum. I don't think the weight of a pistol grip 18inch shotgun would be too bad, its just that 12 gauge ammo is so heavy... what they show that they carry an WHAT they can carry are two different things
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can it be done? yep and there are several good options here in this thread. would it come in handy in a combat or LEO situation? yep there are lots of reasons to have a 12ga. would it be practical in long term SHTF? nope and neither is a drop leg anything. in my opinion: in a SHTF situation where you may need to be on foot for extended periods of time having things strapped to your legs will cause trouble over the long term. the hot spots that can occur on your legs will be a headache that you don't need. put a drop leg rig on and wear it as if that's how you would fight then go hump 5 or 6 miles. let me know how the leg feels after that. same thing with the added weight of the shotty. for short periods or in and out of a vehicle (current combat style) operations the leg platforms are fine. long term SHTF and i'll mount all of my gear on my vest. for SHTF the added weight of the 12ga could be better used to add more water. in a true SHTF you never know when/where the next re-supply will be. now, if the intended use is for operations or short patrols from a central location during SHTF then by all means a 12ga can be handy. similar to the MIL/LEO situations. in this case the pic of the real young guy with all of the gear is kind of a good way to go. (drop the damn 37mm. that's for fun stuff and launching CS at hippies) |
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I've seen the scabbard in the Sportsmans Guide (or was it CTD?) catalog. I wonder how well it would work with a fully stocked shotgun? http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE252-1.html I use mine for a quick grab and go with a M-500. On the scabbard I have 2 six round shell holders on it. It works great for having a shotgun around when working out away from the house. |
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can it be done? yep would it be practical in long term SHTF? nope now, if the intended use is for operations or short patrols from a central location during SHTF then by all means a 12ga can be handy. ^This is the survival answer. If you aren't going far for very long then the utility of a second long gun may be worth it. If you can handle the weight. If you're expecting a fight then more ammo for your primary may be a better use of that weight (or less weight so you can move faster to break contact). For a bug out you should plan on being on foot with extra supplies in your vehicle (like a second long gun) and on foot the extra weight is not worth it. A light .22 might not be a bad idea though. An SBS or AOW would be smaller and lighter but more of a pain to get. By the way, to the poster that asked, a masterkey would be an SBS since it has a stock. $200 tax to manufacture or transfer. An AOW is $200 to make, $5 to transfer. To answer the question you asked: For a patrol setup a scabbard on the back of your vest seems like the best setup for fast access, a sling might get in the way of all your other gear. |