[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FALL OF MEXICO (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/28/2009 6:30:16 PM EDT
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Ok, I searched and couldn't find, so disregard if a duplicate.
For those of you living in the border states next to Mexico how has the news of the possibility of Mexico becoming the next failed state changed your preps? What are your opinions of what could happen? |
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Mexico is down the toilet already. Even the so-called 'safe' places aren't safe any more. We used to think nothing of crossing the border and walking for blocks or getting a cab. I wouldn't even think of it now. Even in "Americanized" places like Cancun, the cops are so corrupt they will take all your stuff.
And today on the news, one of those scrolling "breaking news" things on the bottom of the screen said that Mexico is now "demanding" that the US help them with the drug problem. WTF? Boycot Mexico. |
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You mean it has been a successful state? Mexico was the first nation to adopt a self-loading rifle. Mondragon Rifle It's just been all downhill from there. |
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Honestly, I can't say that it has changed my preps a great deal, but I have done a few things.
I have more ammo on hand than I would otherwise. If there is an influx of refugees with nothing to eat and nothing to lose, mobs are possible (though still unlikely). I have made an effort to keep my spanish up and try to learn slang. I also try to get updates from my mexican friends as to what's going on down there. Most of them have relatives in mexico, so they're really dialed in. Finally, I try to listen to the scanner when I can. Most of the time, it's pretty mundane, but being aware of your environment is crucial. |
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Good info for anyone intrested in what is going on in Mexico and our border in general: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORMER BORDER PATROL OFFICERS M3 REPORT
Here in AZ we don't really have very many natural disasters to prep for. But we have illegals coming through all the time. So that is always a concern. But the drug violence is starting to really come over the border. There has been a lot more home invasions in AZ in the past few years and most of them are related to the drug cartels. The druggies are pretty much running potions of Mexico (if not the whole damn thing) and they will want to run this place next. Seeing as how our last El Presidente was Mexico's little bitch and bowed down to them every chance he got, I don't think see any "change" when it comes to that with the new El Presidente. I expect things to get worse, bigtime. The state governments are going to have to start stepping up and fixing the problem themselves. The federal government is run by globalists who fully intend on destroying America and merging us with Mexico and Canada. |
| Just the other day there was an attempted car jacking at the very foot of the bridge on the Mexican side. It's rumored that the Juarez City government is living in El Paso. Special arrangements have been made for US and foreign factories there but it's still dangerous. ICE has said there have been 6 kidnappings here in El Paso related to the drug war but our local police say they haven't heard a thing and disagree with the governments statements. |
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I agree, I am in the military and live in San Diego.
I am a little concerned as we got a brief today about the condition in Mexico. It is some scary stuff, while we have a large military footprint in southern Cal, my gut tells me if it should go downhill, civilians may be required to be prepared. CIA director Hayden remarked Mexico is the number two threat behind Iran as a threat to American security. Just something to think about. |
| It's the drug trade interruption and what the runners of the cartels will do that worries me. They've already proven in their country that they'll kill anyone, children, elderly, women, anyone for their cause. They think by commiting murders that will force the agents to back off, in which law enforcement will not back off because of their behavior. I'd hate to find out that they have a plan to smuggle guns / themselves over the boarder and start that shit over here to further prove how convinced they are to running their trade. People will do anything for money and if you're trying to interrupt their business they're going to run wild. Hopefully they keep it in Mexico and it never crosses over here. |
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I really think that the idea of "peace" may very well end at the border one day. More likely within our own borders as the drug cartels battle each other in texas, arizona, and california and our LEOs and civilians get in the way. By the time this happens, the local governments and police forces will be so corrupt from the inside that federal or grass-roots responses will be a de-facto civil war or anarchy.
The problems over the border that are coming over the border in the form of violent crime are distrubing in the amount of weaponry that is being found. The drug lords dont neeeed no steeenkin ATF forms for class III firearms and DDs down there. If this turns hot, you will have a case where our civilians are better armed than our military for political reasons while the bad guys have all sorts of nasty shit. I'm thinking that we will see "ranch guards" similar to how Rhodesian farmers had "farm guards" during the 70's within the next 10 years. Then the squatter camps come on the outskirts of cities..... Call me crazy, but there is a very real possibility that life as we know it in the USA is going to resemble present-day South Africa for the middle class whites. The only safe way to live is in gated communities with private armed security response because the police are the guys breaking into your house, but off duty. Carjackings become routine and very little resistance is given to the violence because we can generally buy ourselves safety, security, and comfort, but lack the real freedom of walking around the park at night. When things get really bad, we wont put up a combined or organized resistance because of combined guilt over "their" situation and not wanting to have to face an angry mob with nothing to lose being very outnumbered. Life for "us" and for "them" will be very different, but when they encounter each other, it will be violent and cheap. |
| Thats crazy, CIA said Mexico is the 2nd largest threat to the U.S.? I guess I can believe it...I always knew Mexico sucked royally but damn. We need to implement methods to stop illegals from coming over and to oust the drug flow. I'm in the Air Force and I always thought it would be AWESOME if we had a squadron of aircraft who's sole mission was to fly around the world and bomb huge drug growing plantations. It would totally be highly classified and we would of course deny all of it but still...it would be awesome. |
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Mexico. now, is a totally lawless country, run by the drug cartels. The government is wholly corrupt. Lawful opposition in Mexico, has been silenced by beatings, rape, torture, and mass slayings. Kidnappings are the norm, rather than the exception. The Mexican Army, while doing their best, is staffed by teenagers, who have no experience.
And those in Mexico, that do want our help, have their hands tied by National pride, in that having us (USA) in Mexico again, even invited (this time) is a matter of National shame. Our politicians lack the guts to do what is necessary, which is totally seal the border with Mexico. Intestinal fortitude is not an attribute that any politician seems to be endowed with these days. I live right on the border...this is everyday life for me. Read the papers..ElPasoTimes.com.....they report the daily Mexican body count. And yes, the whole place is a powder keg, just waiting to blow. Get your preps done, no matter where you live. Happy Trails! |
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I really think that the idea of "peace" may very well end at the border one day. More likely within our own borders as the drug cartels battle each other in texas, arizona, and california and our LEOs and civilians get in the way. By the time this happens, the local governments and police forces will be so corrupt from the inside that federal or grass-roots responses will be a de-facto civil war or anarchy. The problems over the border that are coming over the border in the form of violent crime are distrubing in the amount of weaponry that is being found. The drug lords dont neeeed no steeenkin ATF forms for class III firearms and DDs down there. If this turns hot, you will have a case where our civilians are better armed than our military for political reasons while the bad guys have all sorts of nasty shit. I'm thinking that we will see "ranch guards" similar to how Rhodesian farmers had "farm guards" during the 70's within the next 10 years. Then the squatter camps come on the outskirts of cities..... Call me crazy, but there is a very real possibility that life as we know it in the USA is going to resemble present-day South Africa for the middle class whites. The only safe way to live is in gated communities with private armed security response because the police are the guys breaking into your house, but off duty.  Carjackings become routine and very little resistance is given to the violence because we can generally buy ourselves safety, security, and comfort, but lack the real freedom of walking around the park at night. When things get really bad, we wont put up a combined or organized resistance because of combined guilt over "their" situation and not wanting to have to face an angry mob with nothing to lose being very outnumbered. Life for "us" and for "them" will be very different, but when they encounter each other, it will be violent and cheap. |
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Since president Calderon only has a 6 year maximum term limit, would the next president be as vicious like Calderon as far as going after the cartels? Calderon has 4 more years left to clean house. Realistically it's not enough time. My opinion it's going to get even more uglier. More killings by the cartel but the Mexican government is going to be more aggresive as well. For me I prep as usual. Hell I'm only 7-8 miles away from the border. I can see the hills of Tijuana from my backyard. |
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I really think that the idea of "peace" may very well end at the border one day. More likely within our own borders as the drug cartels battle each other in texas, arizona, and california and our LEOs and civilians get in the way. By the time this happens, the local governments and police forces will be so corrupt from the inside that federal or grass-roots responses will be a de-facto civil war or anarchy. The problems over the border that are coming over the border in the form of violent crime are distrubing in the amount of weaponry that is being found. The drug lords dont neeeed no steeenkin ATF forms for class III firearms and DDs down there. If this turns hot, you will have a case where our civilians are better armed than our military for political reasons while the bad guys have all sorts of nasty shit. I'm thinking that we will see "ranch guards" similar to how Rhodesian farmers had "farm guards" during the 70's within the next 10 years. Then the squatter camps come on the outskirts of cities..... Call me crazy, but there is a very real possibility that life as we know it in the USA is going to resemble present-day South Africa for the middle class whites. The only safe way to live is in gated communities with private armed security response because the police are the guys breaking into your house, but off duty. Carjackings become routine and very little resistance is given to the violence because we can generally buy ourselves safety, security, and comfort, but lack the real freedom of walking around the park at night. When things get really bad, we wont put up a combined or organized resistance because of combined guilt over "their" situation and not wanting to have to face an angry mob with nothing to lose being very outnumbered. Life for "us" and for "them" will be very different, but when they encounter each other, it will be violent and cheap.Wow, the thin blue line crosses the border too. 
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If the balloon goes up, we might need some volunteers here...
We'll be just fine. police are the guys breaking into your house, but off duty.
You ever been to Mexico? It damn sure happens down there and if things continue like they are....it will start happening here too. When the cops start getting murdered in front of their families- their homes burned to the ground with them in it etc....they are going to start thinking about other lines of work. We have very tame criminals here in the states for the most part, they like to run and hide, they don't attack the system directly for the most part...... You go to a place like Argentina and hang with some cops and ask them how many have been in a gunfight- EVERY hand will raise. Then ask how many have been in 5 or more....probably half of them. Most American cops have never pulled their weapon with the thought of killing someone......Ask them how many of their academy are still wearing a badge and how many were killed in the line of duty...you will get a very different answer in Bueno Aires vs. Boston......When was the last time American Law Enforcement REGULARLY had something like THIS happen- http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-monterrey7-2008dec07,0,5447755.story When things get that far.....It's a whole different ballgame. |
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I have great faith in Texas and our Texans. If it gets bad down there, yall draw a hard line. You've kicked Mexico's ass before - by yourselves - and I know you can do it again.
I imagine it will force them more into CA/AZ/NM, where it will be more difficult to contain them, but still manageable. If our economy goes down, Mexico's will be a real train wreck. |
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Thats crazy, CIA said Mexico is the 2nd largest threat to the U.S.? I guess I can believe it...I always knew Mexico sucked royally but damn. We need to implement methods to stop illegals from coming over and to oust the drug flow. I'm in the Air Force and I always thought it would be AWESOME if we had a squadron of aircraft who's sole mission was to fly around the world and bomb huge drug growing plantations. It would totally be highly classified and we would of course deny all of it but still...it would be awesome. I feel it will be difficult to stop them from coming over with such a long boarder. Even if there is some magical wall, it won't stop illegals from burrowing under ground and sneaking in below a fence...see this link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012601963.html And one reason they keep coming over because people in the US keep giving them jobs. |
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Thats crazy, CIA said Mexico is the 2nd largest threat to the U.S.? I guess I can believe it...I always knew Mexico sucked royally but damn. We need to implement methods to stop illegals from coming over and to oust the drug flow. I'm in the Air Force and I always thought it would be AWESOME if we had a squadron of aircraft who's sole mission was to fly around the world and bomb huge drug growing plantations. It would totally be highly classified and we would of course deny all of it but still...it would be awesome. I feel it will be difficult to stop them from coming over with such a long boarder. Even if there is some magical wall, it won't stop illegals from burrowing under ground and sneaking in below a fence...see this link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012601963.html And one reason they keep coming over because people in the US keep giving them jobs. Well maybe that's a small silver lining to this.. ahem... recession: not a lot of jobs for the illegals. There's a rapidly growing number of Americans who need work - badly. |
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I have great faith in Texas and our Texans. If it gets bad down there, yall draw a hard line. You've kicked Mexico's ass before - by yourselves - and I know you can do it again. I imagine it will force them more into CA/AZ/NM, where it will be more difficult to contain them, but still manageable. If our economy goes down, Mexico's will be a real train wreck. Thanks for your confidence... But just to be on the safe side, could ya'll send down some Tennesseans again? 
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I have great faith in Texas and our Texans. If it gets bad down there, yall draw a hard line. You've kicked Mexico's ass before - by yourselves - and I know you can do it again. I imagine it will force them more into CA/AZ/NM, where it will be more difficult to contain them, but still manageable. If our economy goes down, Mexico's will be a real train wreck. Thanks for your confidence... But just to be on the safe side, could ya'll send down some Tennesseans again? 
This time around, there's a few extra States who might loan you some Riflemen. 
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DO NOT DISMISS THIS THREAT !!!!!!!! WE MAY NEED HELP ! NO SHIT FOLKS !!!! No shit!! If the balloon goes up, we might need some volunteers here... The sad thing is that if it really got that bad in Texas the .gov would be more concerned about stopping Virginians from going to help than Mexicans coming to kill. 
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| It will be time for operation Taco Salad. You will have to start dropping the bad guys as they cross the boarder and do the crimes. Set up your own CCTV and sensors. It sad to say but that will probably have to be done buy the people living there and not the government in the years ahead. You will have to defend yourself and your families. There won't be enough LEO and Military to do the job. The drug wars have already spilled over the boader into our southwest at a alarming rate. Being politically correct and not wanting to offend anyone or hurt their feelings needs to go away. People need to call them as they see them and start doing whats right. It will be the time to be the sheep dog and not the sheep. |
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DO NOT DISMISS THIS THREAT !!!!!!!! WE MAY NEED HELP ! NO SHIT FOLKS !!!! No shit!! If the balloon goes up, we might need some volunteers here... The sad thing is that if it really got that bad in Texas the .gov would be more concerned about stopping Virginians from going to help than Mexicans coming to kill.
This one simple statement sums it up. If SHTF down that way, the gov. and the media especially, will be far more concerned with the Mexicans than they would be with the Americans. If I tried to help, I'd get stopped before I reached the Mississippi. |
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Here's something that has concerned me for some time. Imagine that Mexico's government goes TU. The Drug kingpins start pushing violently northward. We, as Americans, collectively take aim at the southern border to defend this counrty from invasion. My question is, are we going to have to face another battlefront coming from behind us because of all the 'Criminal Trespassers' that are here already? It sounds awfully tinfoil hattish, but if the illegals that are already here take offense to us killing their countrymen (for lack of a better term), are they going to take up arms against us for a suprise attack? Face it, our government has already let in a potential army.
Ok, feel free to tell me that my hat is on too tight...
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hmmm... 109 Million of them... 1 me w/ AR15 & 50 loaded mags and a few cases of Federal... yep I'd better get some more ammo! 
ETA: Random thought... Crockett's replacement = Chuck Norris Need I say more?! You do realize that Chuck's first name is actually Carlos, don't you? |
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hmmm... 109 Million of them... 1 me w/ AR15 & 50 loaded mags and a few cases of Federal... yep I'd better get some more ammo!
ETA: Random thought... Crockett's replacement = Chuck Norris Need I say more?! You do realize that Chuck's first name is actually Carlos, don't you? Our enemies will all suffer roundhouse kick related deaths. |
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Here's something that has concerned me for some time. Imagine that Mexico's government goes TU. The Drug kingpins start pushing violently northward. We, as Americans, collectively take aim at the southern border to defend this counrty from invasion. My question is, are we going to have to face another battlefront coming from behind us because of all the 'Criminal Trespassers' that are here already? It sounds awfully tinfoil hattish, but if the illegals that are already here take offense to us killing their countrymen (for lack of a better term), are they going to take up arms against us for a suprise attack? Face it, our government has already let in a potential army. Ok, feel free to tell me that my hat is on too tight...
Yeah, there would be trouble. What about our military personnel? No disrespect intended, but consider this: I've literally sent hundreds of of care packages over to the troops since 06. Lots of names on those packages ended in "EZ". I know they've all sworn an oath. Seriously, this is just a thought for discussion, not an attack against our troops...whom I love. |
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I have great faith in Texas and our Texans. If it gets bad down there, yall draw a hard line. You've kicked Mexico's ass before - by yourselves - and I know you can do it again. I imagine it will force them more into CA/AZ/NM, where it will be more difficult to contain them, but still manageable. If our economy goes down, Mexico's will be a real train wreck. Thanks for your confidence... But just to be on the safe side, could ya'll send down some Tennesseans again?
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That's crazy, CIA said Mexico is the 2nd largest threat to the U.S.? I guess I can believe it...I always knew Mexico sucked royally but damn. We need to implement methods to stop illegals from coming over and to oust the drug flow. I'm in the Air Force and I always thought it would be AWESOME if we had a squadron of aircraft who's sole mission was to fly around the world and bomb huge drug growing plantations. It would totally be highly classified and we would of course deny all of it but still...it would be awesome. George W. Bush was on his way out and they didn't have to lie anymore. |
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Here's something that has concerned me for some time. Imagine that Mexico's government goes TU. The Drug kingpins start pushing violently northward. We, as Americans, collectively take aim at the southern border to defend this counrty from invasion. My question is, are we going to have to face another battlefront coming from behind us because of all the 'Criminal Trespassers' that are here already? It sounds awfully tinfoil hattish, but if the illegals that are already here take offense to us killing their countrymen (for lack of a better term), are they going to take up arms against us for a suprise attack? Face it, our government has already let in a potential army. Ok, feel free to tell me that my hat is on too tight...
That's really unlikely. A lot of these folks left Mexico because of stuff like this and the desire to make money. They don't want to help the cartels, but they also don't want to stick their necks out. Mexico is an example of what happens when you apply the saying "all that has to happen for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". Santa Anna was Mexico's Stalin and he left a country where everyone saw no use to trying to form a civil society –– look at Mexican charitable giving rates if you don't believe me. Mexicans aren't wicked; they think that anyone who sticks their neck out is an idiot. |
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Thats crazy, CIA said Mexico is the 2nd largest threat to the U.S.? I guess I can believe it...I always knew Mexico sucked royally but damn. We need to implement methods to stop illegals from coming over and to oust the drug flow. I'm in the Air Force and I always thought it would be AWESOME if we had a squadron of aircraft who's sole mission was to fly around the world and bomb huge drug growing plantations. It would totally be highly classified and we would of course deny all of it but still...it would be awesome. I feel it will be difficult to stop them from coming over with such a long boarder. Even if there is some magical wall, it won't stop illegals from burrowing under ground and sneaking in below a fence...see this link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012601963.html And one reason they keep coming over because people in the US keep giving them jobs. Well maybe that's a small silver lining to this.. ahem... recession: not a lot of jobs for the illegals. There's a rapidly growing number of Americans who need work - badly. Until Congress passes this stimulus crap, then there will be tons of road and infrastructure construction jobs. Those companies love to hire illegals. |
| I had a friend who just moved his family back from Mexico. He and his wife were very worldly and spoke Spanish well. However, he said that life in Mexico is currently so chaotic that he was afraid for the lives of his wife and baby. He left the country suddenly and showed up at our corporate offices, asking for his job back due to the deteriorating situation in Mexico. Fortunately, they've taken him back into the fold and are only asking him to go to Mexico from time to time for business meetings. |
| If Mexico completely collapses it will be a SHTF for the U.S. That's why I would not be surprised if China and Russia don't try to cause Mexico's collapse possibly by having a proxy in the region like Chavez in Venezuela provide support to the Cartels and Anti-Govt. Groups in Mexico. |
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Here's something that has concerned me for some time. Imagine that Mexico's government goes TU. The Drug kingpins start pushing violently northward. We, as Americans, collectively take aim at the southern border to defend this counrty from invasion. My question is, are we going to have to face another battlefront coming from behind us because of all the 'Criminal Trespassers' that are here already? It sounds awfully tinfoil hattish, but if the illegals that are already here take offense to us killing their countrymen (for lack of a better term), are they going to take up arms against us for a suprise attack? Face it, our government has already let in a potential army. Ok, feel free to tell me that my hat is on too tight...
Yeah, there would be trouble. What about our military personnel? No disrespect intended, but consider this: I've literally sent hundreds of of care packages over to the troops since 06. Lots of names on those packages ended in "EZ". I know they've all sworn an oath. Seriously, this is just a thought for discussion, not an attack against our troops...whom I love. Think about it, these soldiers you sent care packages to, were they here or on foreign soil? I'm gonna guess foreign soil. So if they took that oath and lived up to it, enough to earn your respect and great charity, what makes you think they'd just turn their backs and fight for criminals? That's absurd IMO. I'm latino, and the hispanics/latinos in my unit all feel the same. ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL! Period, there's no "hey man, let's fight for that illegal because we both like tacos". No, not even close. I don't think this will ever be a problem. We're talking about criminals and drug lords coming over here and fighting, not grandpa's and cousins that haven't made it out of Mexico, think about who WE will be fighting and then rethink that question. No disrespect intended... |
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DO NOT DISMISS THIS THREAT !!!!!!!! WE MAY NEED HELP ! NO SHIT FOLKS !!!! No shit!! If the balloon goes up, we might need some volunteers here... The sad thing is that if it really got that bad in Texas the .gov would be more concerned about stopping Virginians from going to help than Mexicans coming to kill.
+10000 I dont think many people realize just how many Virginians would be willing to help out in a situation like this. At least in my area it would be a startling number. |
| I just don't think all the bad guys will be streaming over the border. If Mexico's gov did collapse most regular people down there would not care. The gov does little for the average peon. Very little social services unlike here. If they are hungry yes they will come in a effort to feed their families, just like they have been doing for 170 years. Most that come are salt of the earth good hard working people. Very few are scum but there are some. If there is no work here they will not come. They will starve. Just a different mentality down there. As far as the drug gangs, they recruit people from here. They fit in easier and know their way around. Yes they are bad. But they are few. And most not bright so they get caught easily. I don't see the huge problem as others but I am prepared. And don't think most want the Aztlan stuff. Those are a fringe group that most don't support, mostly due to commie influence that is against religion. Most American Hispanics are religious and firmly for America. I have many who are friends that hate lefty libs and proudly wear a American flag pin. Most proudly served this country and they will not stand for Mexico to harm the US. As I said, I am prepared but I see other problems before this. WJ |
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Ok, I searched and couldn't find, so disregard if a duplicate. For those of you living in the border states next to Mexico how has the news of the possibility of Mexico becoming the next failed state changed your preps? What are your opinions of what could happen? Ya lots of ammo becuase they are small and there is a lot of them. FMJs-of-Freedom |
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I have great faith in Texas and our Texans. If it gets bad down there, yall draw a hard line. You've kicked Mexico's ass before - by yourselves - and I know you can do it again. I imagine it will force them more into CA/AZ/NM, where it will be more difficult to contain them, but still manageable. If our economy goes down, Mexico's will be a real train wreck. Wake up Texas is Mexico! There are now Mexican's living in the border towns of Texas than there are Texabs ub akk if Texas. To give you an idea in Walmart's in (H)EL(L) Paso they primarly speak spanish. FMJs-of-Freedom |