Posted: 12/27/2008 1:57:13 PM EDT
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I did a search, and didn't come up with a specific topic, but what is the general preference around here?
It seems to me I live in a town that straddles suburban to rural, I have a couple of wooded acres, all my stuff is here, food, water, ammo, etc. I have neighbors I know, with various levels of preparedness, and it seems logical to me to bunker in, rather than becoming a refugee, unless there were serious extenuating circumstances. How many who have "Bug Out" as the primary option, have a prepared place they can rely on to bug out to? I suppose I would bug out technically from work, to my home, but I don't think that is the same thing. I would have to be pretty desperate to bug out, and I don't have a cabin in the woods somewhere to go to. Is "bugging out" even a realistic option, except in the shortest of terms? |
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The general preference around here is do what works for you. It all depends on your own situation and capability, and the severity of the event. There is no way to say "Bug out is always best", because it isn't for everyone or every event. You have to weigh common and uncommon scenarios and plan accordingly.
Some folks bug out for a weekend, some are bugging out their daily lives. |
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Most people, I think, would much prefer to bugin. Its where our gear is, easier in most cases, and less dangerous in many. Unfortunately, we're not captains of old going down with our sinking ships either and its not always an option. Your house is on fire, bugging in becomes a pretty silly option.
By far most bugouts by pure odds are going to be temporary. People usually don't walk away from their homes over a weather event or chemical spill. Yeah, I have a BOB but I also have a suitcase and given a short-term bugout I"d rather be in a Holiday Inn than a tent trying to work every day. Unfortunately, we can not eliminate long-term bugouts from our planning. Right now probably the biggest reason on everyone's mind is the economy. The bank takes your house, having a plan is better than sleeping in the state park or under a freeway overpass. That plan can be as simple as going to stay at mom's house or as complex as having a cabin retreat. The main thing is to have a plan. I have posted many times, a well prepared bugout without a BOL and plan is simply a well prepared refugee. Likewise I have posted many times, a bugin only plan is the same as I will die with my gear plan. Prepare for the most likely scenario first and least likely last. The way you do this is a risk assessment which is simply listing what may happen and ranking it by probability and cross ranked by criticality. Crime may not be a high risk for you but one bullet and three tons of gears become useless type of thing so crime should be high on everyone's list. The biggest mistake most people overlook is the most common stuff. House fire is very common yet few people have escape plans, bugout plans, etc. Tj |
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I will be bugging in, Like TJ said, it's where my gear is......I have been prepping & stock pileing so much over the last few years, that I would have to get a ryder moving truck just to take everything that I would want to have on hand..
So baring some horribly catostropic SHTF senerio, that MAKES me leave my dwelling...I'm bugging in...I got family in town so, I won't be going it alone & my brother likes the AK47 I got him for xmas 2 years ago...mom is ok with the ruger 10/22 |
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Most people, I think, would much prefer to bugin. Its where our gear is, easier in most cases, and less dangerous in many. Unfortunately, we're not captains of old going down with our sinking ships either and its not always an option. Your house is on fire, bugging in becomes a pretty silly option. By far most bugouts by pure odds are going to be temporary. People usually don't walk away from their homes over a weather event or chemical spill. Yeah, I have a BOB but I also have a suitcase and given a short-term bugout I"d rather be in a Holiday Inn than a tent trying to work every day. Unfortunately, we can not eliminate long-term bugouts from our planning. Right now probably the biggest reason on everyone's mind is the economy. The bank takes your house, having a plan is better than sleeping in the state park or under a freeway overpass. That plan can be as simple as going to stay at mom's house or as complex as having a cabin retreat. The main thing is to have a plan. I have posted many times, a well prepared bugout without a BOL and plan is simply a well prepared refugee. Likewise I have posted many times, a bugin only plan is the same as I will die with my gear plan. Prepare for the most likely scenario first and least likely last. The way you do this is a risk assessment which is simply listing what may happen and ranking it by probability and cross ranked by criticality. Crime may not be a high risk for you but one bullet and three tons of gears become useless type of thing so crime should be high on everyone's list. The biggest mistake most people overlook is the most common stuff. House fire is very common yet few people have escape plans, bugout plans, etc. Tj That seems reasonable, but I had never considered having a place to live if I lost the house truely a "bugout" plan, although I have this ground covered, as well as house fire. It just seems these two considerations are more along the lines of common man common sense (I know, it isn't common), and not "Preparing for SHTF". |
| If I lived in a larger city, it's definitely a situation to bug out. The larger cities are where you are going to see the worst of it, and where they will clamp down. In rural areas, it won't be as easy to contain people. I tend to avoid the cities and will definitely bug in. |
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Most people, I think, would much prefer to bugin. Its where our gear is, easier in most cases, and less dangerous in many. Unfortunately, we're not captains of old going down with our sinking ships either and its not always an option. Your house is on fire, bugging in becomes a pretty silly option. By far most bugouts by pure odds are going to be temporary. People usually don't walk away from their homes over a weather event or chemical spill. Yeah, I have a BOB but I also have a suitcase and given a short-term bugout I"d rather be in a Holiday Inn than a tent trying to work every day. Unfortunately, we can not eliminate long-term bugouts from our planning. Right now probably the biggest reason on everyone's mind is the economy. The bank takes your house, having a plan is better than sleeping in the state park or under a freeway overpass. That plan can be as simple as going to stay at mom's house or as complex as having a cabin retreat. The main thing is to have a plan. I have posted many times, a well prepared bugout without a BOL and plan is simply a well prepared refugee. Likewise I have posted many times, a bugin only plan is the same as I will die with my gear plan. Prepare for the most likely scenario first and least likely last. The way you do this is a risk assessment which is simply listing what may happen and ranking it by probability and cross ranked by criticality. Crime may not be a high risk for you but one bullet and three tons of gears become useless type of thing so crime should be high on everyone's list. The biggest mistake most people overlook is the most common stuff. House fire is very common yet few people have escape plans, bugout plans, etc. Tj That seems reasonable, but I had never considered having a place to live if I lost the house truely a "bugout" plan, although I have this ground covered, as well as house fire. It just seems these two considerations are more along the lines of common man common sense (I know, it isn't common), and not "Preparing for SHTF". Actually bring up a very good point. Survivalism IS simply commonsense. Commonsense is wisdom and often people with good commonsense are considered wise. You'll find on this forum many times folks will make light of those who prepare for Red Dawn or a Nuclear Holocaust but not something as frequent and common as a power outage. Preparing for one but not the other is foolish. I can say that because the very best of plans overlap each other and though the Russians may never parachute down and take over our towns, the same preparation will work just as well in fighting against armed forced entry into your home which is the fastest growing violent crime in the US per FBI crime statistics. We acknowledge talking about the more exciting scenarios is more fun than say having a house fire plan. That's why they are talked about the most, however its really the mindset that is more important than the scenario. Once a person gets into the mindset of preparing then preparing for the most common becomes second nature. Its said often "Prepare for the worst but hope for the best." Its not a saying I personally endorse. Often people fixate on the worst and totally miss the most likely. So many people fixate on "The Worst" that an entire industry has grown up around it. I personally get such a kick out of the so called expert survivalist telling folks how to live off the land. They are held up as almost God's and quoted often. This is despite their information and advice being about as potentially useful as knowing all the answers in a game of Trivial Pursuit will get you a job. Part of the success of this forum has always been our "Tin Foil Hats" have ground wires. That other stuff is fun and good information to know but ultimately the things we face day in and day out are equally important. Living is survival and the winner isn't the guy who's barely survived some trek into the wilderness but some guy 92 years old sitting on his porch taking life easy with a full belly. Tj |
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Living is survival and the winner isn't the guy who's barely survived some trek into the wilderness but some guy 92 years old sitting on his porch taking life easy with a full belly.
BAH what kind of boring AAR that would be  
bug in vs bug out. IMHO to many dwell on it. Mostly becuase none have never had to.Some may have to one extent or another. Bugging in is the easy way imho. Dont get me wrong if i could stay where i am at and not worry about zombies,riots,fire,floods,huricanes,break ins and meat eating attacks ducks i would. BUt more than likely i will have to bug out, as will most if a really nasty event befalls us. Ive played the "cpt. going down with his ship " ONCE..key word there. I kinda go by the saying " 1st ones free..." if you live through it. Bugging out like most envision or talk about it here is a dream/fantasy at best. Your not gonnabe able to load up your line 2,BOB,IBA,inch bag, and gear and walk down the road. For one you wont get far if your outta shape, two youll stick out like a sore thumb , and three if its an event like a hurricane/tornado you'll REALLY stick out to folks. Bugging in on the other hand kinda relies on your AO. if your in teh burbs or ina major urban area, having a bug out plan to a BOL ( keyword there) for nasty events would be wise ( or at least net work with family and friends as to where you can go) bugging out to "da" woods is not an option or at least not a safe one. personally prep away, and plan..if you feel your AO is not safe move, re locate, get a BOL, network but plan and make it happen. Do not get complaciant sitting in your garage looking at mountains of gear and food,, when your nieghbors home is only 5 yards away! and think " i can make it" you may or you may not.. its all a gamble ,,,just kinda gotta roll with it...
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