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We do a lot of training of folks at One Shepherd, we had an FTX on a rainy weekend in May of this year, I mean DELUGE downpours, the lubricants washed out of the AKs and they started to have malfunctions, similar to the ones mentioned Empty Shells getting in odd locations, Trigger Springs slipping off triggers, No pins were lost, No stocks were ruined but the RPK bipod pins have been known to back out.
The AR weapons did not show the same malfs... were run just as hard, Granted we use blanks, you can scarcely run live ammo in a force on force course, it tends to reduce your customer base! Discovering shortcomings in student experience as well, Guys become combat ineffective when they run out of bullets or their weapon malfunctions, most forget the basic Immediate Action Drills, Remedial Action Drills. I don't know how many times I have had a student complain that they are not able to get hits with an AK complaints that the sights are off or the weapon won't run, Typically I take the weapon, smack rack and fire, and it works fine, in checking the sights later I find that the sights are typically not off by much, maybe 2" at 300 Meters. Acceptable accuracy for a combat weapon. I encounter students who do not know how to clear the weapon, May not for whatever reason know what a proper sight picture looks like with the AK, as simple as it is. Guys call themselves dead due to going Black on ammo, they don't take cover during reloads etc... Quite interesting from a referee or Observer Controller standpoint. |
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. |
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AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. Yep, only time I've had it happen was in class where we learned to clear them. Pat Rogers has an Article in Jan's SWAT on how to clear them fairly quickly with a blade. |
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. TGhey are the devils own business to clear. I've seen them with M-16's a few times. |
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. i know he said everything had issues, and i do remember the bullet over bolt part of the article. but since that was the only ar "malf" he talked about specifically, is it safe to assume that the other malfs were inconsequential? or is it that there was no pattern of malfs, like there was w/ the ak? |
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. TGhey are the devils own business to clear. I've seen them with M-16's a few times. I have had them. Definately not fun to clear. |
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good read.....but i didnt see any sugar sand though   I've never understood why its called sugar sand. I havent found any yet that is even remotely sweet, and it always leaves your coffee gritty.  Nothing makes you appreciate coffee(and food and water) more than finally being able to drink or eat stuff WITHOUT sand in it. 
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. TGhey are the devils own business to clear. I've seen them with M-16's a few times. If this is the malfunction also known as a Bolt Override, I had one during Basic Training during the final rifle qual course of BRM. The drill sergeant took the rifle from me and had to pull it completely apart to get it cleared. Talk about a major pain in the ass! |
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can we assume that the ar's ran perfectly, except mags, or did i miss the part where he explains the ar failures? i have neither an ar nor an ak, so i have no preference either way. He said everything had issues in the mud. Did you miss the AR with the Bullet over Bolt malf. I've personally never had that happen but it was describeld to me by a good frind who knows his way around guns as a pure motherfucker to get out. i know he said everything had issues, and i do remember the bullet over bolt part of the article. but since that was the only ar "malf" he talked about specifically, is it safe to assume that the other malfs were inconsequential? or is it that there was no pattern of malfs, like there was w/ the ak? I'd be guessing if i tried to answer that ........ I just know from my own experience you can get just about anything to fail with enough mud, sand or dirt...... |
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Well that sure looked like it was fun. 
Nothing really surprising in the read but well written and good advice. I especially liked the pragmatic approach that a machine is a machine. Tj Me too TJ it’s something that’s often lacking in discussions around here about weapons. A lot of people see things way to black and white and can’t appreciate the fact that certain weapons do certain things better. I’m a gun whore so I appreciate them all and see the different advantages that they offer. Now if I could just get karate man to be my gun caddy for teotwawki
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Well that sure looked like it was fun.
Nothing really surprising in the read but well written and good advice. I especially liked the pragmatic approach that a machine is a machine. Tj Me too TJ it’s something that’s often lacking in discussions around here about weapons. A lot of people see things way to black and white and can’t appreciate the fact that certain weapons do certain things better. I’m a gun whore so I appreciate them all and see the different advantages that they offer. Now if I could just get karate man to be my gun caddy for teotwawki
It's the Glock, Taco, and Ham Radio syndrome. 
Some people are convinced one shoe does it all, will work every time, and will last forever. It doesn't matter flip flops suck in winter. Tj |
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It's the Glock, Taco, and Ham Radio syndrome. 
Some people are convinced one shoe does it all, will work every time, and will last forever. It doesn't matter flip flops suck in winter. Tj You mean my Glock and Taco TRD won't do it all? Blasphemy!
Interesting article. I've seen the bolt override failure a few times. Mostly with blanks. What a PITA to clear. |
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What's the purpose of the orange tap on some of the AK mags? TR provides gear rentals for classes, especially a lot of AK stuff for people that want to do some training with AK's to learn them, but have no interest in buying one. Those are probably rental guns and mags. |
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What's the purpose of the orange tap on some of the AK mags? TR provides gear rentals for classes, especially a lot of AK stuff for people that want to do some training with AK's to learn them, but have no interest in buying one. Those are probably rental guns and mags. The Tap also helps to find the mags in the mud and on the ground after the fight. |
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I took one The 5 day HRSC Shooting package a couple years ago in the desert outside of PHX, AZ in July I believe. We didn't have mud to deal with, but we had 117* heat and lots of fine dirt. The biggest issues people had (Everyone had AR's) was magazines filled with dirt. I had problem with Wolf Ammo because the ball powder they use caused pressures spikes in the heat, and I had a couple times when the pressure was still up when the bolt was trying to extract and it tore the case in half. I had previously claimed that Wolf was 100% reliable in my gun, with about 11,000 rounds of Wolf through that one rifle with no problems. After 2 days and 2000 rounds of wolf in that class I switched to Black Hills for the next 3000 rounds and retired that upper soon after the class with about 16,000 rounds though it.
this plus all the other training I've taken is one reason I giggle when people who's firearm has never seen anything but range use tell me they know their gun is 100% reliable. Fire 5000 rounds in 5 days of adverse conditions and then you will know what can really happen. |
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this plus all the other training I've taken is one reason I giggle when people who's firearm has never seen anything but range use tell me they know their gun is 100% reliable. Fire 5000 rounds in 5 days of adverse conditions and then you will know what can really happen. But then again, who really shoots 5K rounds in 5 days unless they are in a class? |
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this plus all the other training I've taken is one reason I giggle when people who's firearm has never seen anything but range use tell me they know their gun is 100% reliable. Fire 5000 rounds in 5 days of adverse conditions and then you will know what can really happen. But then again, who really shoots 5K rounds in 5 days unless they are in a class? The point is that lots of times people here say "My X-model-whatever has run completely flawless for the last 2 years", but the truth is that they usually fire about 60 rounds though it each range trip and they have only taken it to the range about 12 times in those 2 years. So they have less than 800 rounds though that gun and it was cleaned every 60 rounds. What kind of test is that? |
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Here's some fun for you...
AR10 part 1 AR10 part 2 These used to be on the Armalite website under *history* but alas it's Youtube now. Ignore these if they've been posted before (prolly have).
ps: Eugene Stoner is the one coming onto the beach I believe. 
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