[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What if Threads........ (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/23/2008 1:36:30 AM EDT
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Not to rain on the Chinese parade of the last "What If Thread", but have been through a few crisis and emergencies in my life, if you do not have a plan in place for a "bug out" or "bug in" situation....... you have already FAILED. If you have not practiced your plan you will "FAIL". Simple things like be able to tell your spouse and kids while walking in Walmart that you need to leave NOW with no question could mean life or death. Example: Wife and I were watching a special on the Tsunami, when I asked, "If I said right now grab the dogs and go to the second floor, what would you do?" She asked if I would have used our emergency code word and I said yes. The response was that she would do it no questions asked because I would have had a reason to. The people that lived when the wave rolled into the hotel were able to get up and get to the top floor within seconds. Those that responded with "Let me finish this page." or "Where is my purse.".......DIED! Surviving in a crisis goes beyond having gear, but being able to keep inside an ODOA loop (google is your friend) of the situation that is developing. I then asked my wife to apply the same question to my sister by asking what she would do if she was told to get up and move somewhere in an emergency situation that she did not know about. Answers range between a "dumb look", "why????" and "screw you" as she is what I call a NO PERSON. Let say somehow a bad guy broke in and I heard it. Explain why we had to leave might not be the best course of action right then and there. Being in a Walmart and fighting with your kids about dropping the wagon and making a prompt exit before shooting rampage starts when you see two teenagers with black trench coats with guns under them is much a skill as being able to start a fire. Challenge: Sometime with no notice go to your spouse and kids; "Grab your coat and meet by the car NOW!" Then take them out to lunch or dinner and discuss what you would do in an emergency. Post the results. As for my last post on the "What If", it was not meant to be funny. But meant to tell the truth. Average ARFcomer: A. Die standing in front of the gun safe, deciding what gun to take to the fight. B. Drown while trying to retrieve guns from this falls boating accident. C. Electrocute self while trying to hook inverter up to the computer and modem to ask Arfcom what to do. Grab rifle, radio, and go bag and make sure vehicles are fueled with spare tanks. From there load vehicle with supplies and make for the hills. |
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As for my last post on the "What If", it was not meant to be funny. But meant to tell the truth. Average ARFcomer: A. Die standing in front of the gun safe, deciding what gun to take to the fight. B. Drown while trying to retrieve guns from this falls boating accident. C. Electrocute self while trying to hook inverter up to the computer and modem to ask Arfcom what to do." Daaaanng! Don't forget- D. Die trying to "convince" the wife to leave Oprah, Desperate Housewives and holding down the couch to save her own life. I've seen the wife hold back the entire family from bugging out when the time came on numerous occasions. Something for these "we are BOTH leaders of our family" types and the outright P-whipped- the ones you see with the posts like "my wife ALLOWED me to buy a box of ammo WHOOOPEE!" Anything with two heads is a monster and anything without a head is dead. |
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I believe that this is about having your house in order. If your wife doesn't understand why we prepare and understand that there are times when taking orders is not humiliating but necessary, then she will get you killed. If you kids don't understand taking instructions now, they will get you killed. Practicing these situations is critical. I believe most people can snap out of there self absorbed life the instant they are faced with crisis. If you don't try it once in a while, then we don't know for sure. |
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One of the biggest reasons I frequent the SF Forum is for the exchange of ideas - and to see who has the biggest ammo fort this week. I like the WIT's (what if threads), it gives me a lot to think of, even of most are purely Red Dawn fantasy's. Every now and then someone will eventually throw an original thought out there that I would have never thought of myself. And lets not forget, there are a lot of folks out there in Lurker Land that come here for the knowledge base that we have too. Just my 2 cents, somebody will be along shortly to inform me that I'm all jacked up and shoudnt be allowed to share the same oxygen as them,  but thats ok. My skin is thicker than that.Edit for the spelling Nazi's. |
I once posted a "Situational awareness " thread about vigilance in public places and immediately was accused of wearing tinfoil!!!!! The objection seemed to be my suggestion that you always carry a "Personal security pack" with you when ever you would be in a mall or parked far away from your AO!!
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Huh. So you one of those old fashioned types who beat their wife when she steps out of line? Sorry but your wife SHOULD have every right to tell you not to buy ammo, provided its a valid reason. Thats why its a RELATIONSHIP and not a SLAVE/SLAVEOWNER arrangement. I'll take being pussy whipped over being an abusive dick any day. |
Was your wife looking over your shoulder when you wrote that???? 
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Yeah, but shes gone now.  I just take a real dim view of people who think their wife is a peice of property, and that they being the man know best in all things. Shows just how ignorant some people can be. |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaha haha ha.  pussy |
There is a big difference between treating your wife like you own her and expecting respect. She needs to understand the point of leadership in crisis situations. Otherwise, you better get her ready to lead when it gets bad. Someone has to make the right decisions when its time. |
just because your not p-whooped doesn't mean you run around in a tank top and beat her for opening her mouth before dinner is ready. |
Turn in your man card. oh wait, your wife has it on the mantel along with your balls in the jar.  . Just funnin with ya.Eta---so this doesn't turn into a GD thread, there does need to be a rank established in a bad situation---you do not have time to negotiate with your SO when the s is hitting the fan. Now, if you or anyone wants to let your wife set the rules that is fine as long as their is someone in charge and the others follow the "orders". As a friend of mine once said, when you pick a wife pick a skinny quite one because they only get fatter and louder .
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Just imagine what would you do if, out of the blue, your spousal unit told you to "Grab your coat and meet me by the car NOW!" How we phrase things can affect outcome. |
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In the book World War Z, there's a short story about a couple with a daughter who are trying to decide whether to stay put and fortify the home or bug out to points north (they were in WI and thinking of going to Canada, above the frost line). The wife wanted to stay put in their home, the husband (liberal) had just bought a rifle and thought they'd better bug out. They ended up bugging out with whatever they could cram into a minivan and ended up starving in the north during the first winter. Of course, had they stayed put they might have been killed by zombies before winter. So sometimes we're faced with two bad options both full of risk and danger. Bugging in or bugging out could both carry bonuses and risks. It helps to know that we can grab our Go kits and be on the road in 30 minutes with enough stuff to camp out for 2+ weeks. But it also helps to have someone willing to say "no, wait". All I'm saying is.... you hopefully married the girl because you trust her judgment. Unless there is a tsunami, forest fire, or nuclear blast wave coming your way, I'll be laying out options with the wife to convince her of my plan not barking orders. If we're packing up and never coming back I need her to buy in to the plan or the bad morale WILL result in major mistakes - things not thought to bring, etc. It is hugely helpful to have pre-loaded bins full of stuff for a camp out - ready to grab and go. It helps to reduce the list of items to remember in the rush. Don't forget birth certificates and passports.
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I can promise you that I would grab my coat and meet by the car. Once I am there, I am sure the situation will be obvious or I would get some sort of explanation. If she was heading out the door in a hurry, I would figure that she is heading somewhere important and I better come. If she said grab the BOB's and go, I would immediately understand that she saw a threat and we need to go quickly. So what if she's wrong? We are temporarily inconvenienced. Big deal. Nobody said the man was the only one who would see the S hitting the fan. I would think that my future wife would give me a quick reason on the way out the door, as I would for her. |
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Yep, IMO it's more about trust rather than being whipped. My Wife trusts my judgment if I think something's wrong here. Likewise, if my Wife thinks something's amiss, I trust her judgment as well. There are reasons we married each other and being able to trust each other's judgment is right at the top of that list. I'm pretty far from being whipped but If my Wife asks me to buy or not buy something at a particular point in time, I will abide, not because I'm whipped but because I trust her judgment and she may know something I do not (eg., a bill coming up, we need that money for something else that has slipped my mind, etc..) In a SHTF situation, sometimes we seem to bark orders, this is simply due to the fact that in such a situation - time is of the essence and things must be done now and sometimes a fire must be lit under one's ass, this is simply understood. If you trust the other, then the specific reasoning is not critical at that specific moment. If I say it needs to be done now, it gets done, the reasons will come when there is time. Same goes both ways IMO. |
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I think that people who are allergic to tin foil should stay out of the SF. There is nothing wrong with exploring extreme scenarios. Some of them are not as outlandish as you may think. As a practical example, consider weather and temperature. The Alaskan Arfcommer is concerned he may freeze to death if his propane runs out. The Floridian Arfcommer is concerned he may starve to death if his refrigerator breaks down. Neither of these people should ridicule the other in this forum. If you think the scenario is remote then say so. That's your valid opinion but as far as I'm concerned there is nothing off the table including asteroid strike, zombie uprising or alien invasion. Seriously. |
There are alot of folk who always need to be the smartest person in the room, and won't participate in simple (or complicated) thought experiments. They just deny any possibility that it would happen and get uppity when you suggest they should avoid those threads. That is why most folks limit their senarios to zombies so a bunch of whiners won't come along and piss all over their thread. Once you build in names and dates to the thought experiment, someone has to get upset because it will never happen so why talk about it. |
ouch.. ill turn on the hose so we can wash that sand outta that mangina just kiddin man!as said, theres a big difference in being your wifes "boss""owner" and being a respectfull husband and family leader. Some women cant let that happen becuase they want control. IF you dont hav eany control now there wont be any shtf. its that simple. Its a two was street where you both should respect each other, and that donest mean flogging someone mentally and physically to get what you want or to make them do things for you. That doesnt work in teh real world and it damn sure wont work in your marriage!!! that said,,, what if threads are the norm.. for the SF its mental masturbation for the arfcom masses to fondle their dripping in clp AR15 and dream o fthe day they can get that multicam dirty fighting roving bands of MZB's or a million screamin chinamen........... till then,,its be the weekly what if,,what bob,,what camo,,what ammo,,what food, what comms, what tent and what BOV should i get...... and teh world keeps turning!
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Hey, If I let my wife get involved, she'd end up killing me, my two kids, and herself...but not in that order. Everybody goes their own way. Whatever you want to do is cool by me. 
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Good post, surf.. I live in an area of lowlands not too far from the ocean.. if there was an earthquake off-shore, I wonder what it would take to convince my wife to load the jeep and evac - just in case of tsunami.. its a problem that has never happened, which would be a pretty big impediment to action.. 
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I don't beat my wife, but she understands I make the money. I'm not greedy and she knows I will look after her. I try to keep it equal becasue She wants things just as much as I do. The end story is you shouldn't have to give up your man card or beat your wife to get what you want.
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I do if ya mean a Glock WITH my foil beanie |
| My wife is in a household with her, me, and our 3 sons. She is the only female and she absolutely runs the house. She "assigns" chores for me to do just as much if not more than the kids. I always say that if I went to the bank to withdraw money and they see my real signature they will lock me up for forgery since she does all the banking. It is not a matter of being P- whipped, she is just better at running the house than I would ever hope to be. That being said, If I told her grab the emergency box and head to the attic (or location of your choice) immediately and without question she would do it; but I would have alot of 'splainin to do if it weren't a real shtf matter. |
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My wife also runs the house; my job is to make the money. We discuss a lot of stuff. Most of the time, she has her way. Those times that I say "no" -- it sticks. Similarly, if I had to say "Do it", she would simply because I don't overuse it. From her perspective, though, she once told me that I'm her SHTF prep. I almost got misty-eyed. sgt_seti |
Honestly, it sounds like you've thought these things thru, but I have one question for you. Don't you already have rifle, radio, go bag and more or less a full tank of fuel in your car already? As in everyday in the trunk? John |
Yeah, but shes gone now. I just take a real dim view of people who think their wife is a peice of property, and that they being the man know best in all things. Shows just how ignorant some people can be.[/quote] Now this is one perfect comment. My wife is sharper than 90% of the guys we meet and know, and to ignore her in anything would be incredibly stupid and arrogant. Heck...I might even put the figure at 98%. For all of you that ignore, disdain and discount your wives...well, you might want to think twice. HH |
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Ya know this conversation reminds me of safe words during sex. It's all fun and games until someone says the safe word then it's all business. My fiance and me have that relationship. If I see something fookey-bookie I point it out to her and she knows. And she does the same thing for me. Such as recently we had some knuckle draggers lighting off something that sure as hell wasn't fireworks (I have my pet mortar and a few other toys we picked up in bama so we know what sounds fireworks make) and she gave me the look of "Get your gun and go Oswald on anyone who comes through that door." I didn't ask questions I just did it. Everything turned out alright and the critters went back to the collage area. But that was a good test run in the event that anything should happen. |
Good catch as I was going 50-50 on if someone would notice that. For a great read on Forty Second Boyd go here: www.ejectejecteject.com/ |
Good job! You just got killed because wife just saw the avalanche roll down the mountain at your slope side ski resort. You were jacked into your IPOD and did not hear the rumbling. What about adding a "secret codeword" to that "Grab your coat and meet me by the car NOW!" which means DANGER and so that the other does not hear: "HEY ARFCOMER JUNKIE.....Get off the internet and come now with a jacket." But hears this instead: "Honey, we are in mortal danger, we need to leave now and we are going outside. Please do it right now." Sometimes it is not "who is right", but "what is right". |
Just a quick comment----for those of you letting your wife do all the banking, you are not properly prepared. You need to at least pay attention to what she is doing and where the money is at and is going. I after years of being married, let my wife take over the finances----later, we got divorced---who knew where the money was hidden? She did----don't make my mistake in thinking it will never happen---be aware of your households finances. It took a lot of digging to find it and i'm sure i missed some---morel to the story dont ever let your guard down. |
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i wanna know how everyone got all butthurt over the fact they are thier wives lil bitches seriuosly guys....... There is a huge difference between a well balanced "realationship" and a wife bossing jack ass. Now...as per SHTF/zombies/jbts/bluehelemnts/aleins/reddawn........ Can you walk up to your wife and say " dear,,,im gonna go drop 500$ on some LTS foods...." and not get  "ahh hell no"or is it " sure dont see why not you got that 400$ in overtime last week and the bills are paid ,,sure.." can you say " hey honey, me,jim,bob,and jack are gonna go to the BOL,, their wives are coming you wanna go...it'll be fun" do you get " umm  i dunno, i gotta clean the house( do some overtime/work/etc), and well you know,,camping really isnt my thing. But you go have fun and let me know how your new toy works out(gun) ...."Meanwhile while your out " playing with the boys" she's doing whatever. Am i saying that your wife is out f'noff ,no... what she is doing is appeasing you. In other words,,,she's letting you go play and you feel all manly cuz your with your buds. Non the wiser that she is playing you all along to get what she wants. YOU outta her hair and not involved with what your doing- PLANNIG/training for shtf! avioding the issue! "ahh protus your FOS,stfu,," um im not. no reason for guys to get mad..its normal to see guys like this, which is the majority of men! dont fool yoursleves....hell WE all fall for that trick. The thing is , to set your place and hold it. If your wife runs the house thats fine.wlak the line do the hcores etc. Long as she knows whenits go time YOUR theone running that show. Problem is...if she is playing you like above, she thinks your a joke... this is why they need to be involved with your planning and traiing from day one. Ill use myself as an example her. 5+ yrs ago. i started getting back into this lifestyle( yes its a lifestyle,,mindset is when you gotta eat your severed arm at a plan wreck in SE asia somewhere) anyway. we would FIGHT. im talking at walmart in the rice/pasta isle as to why i needed 5 lbs of rice....or 10 cans of tuna.....or another gallon of camp fuel. To her the one rubbermaid tote was all we needed!! Now a lil background. my wife does everything i do, camp,canoe,hike,fish...but she doesnt hunt or shoot. She also didnt want to prep.....back then. Becuase we talked and i got her involved slowly she is 100% on board with OUR plans..keyword guys OUR plans.... Its not uncommon for her to show me an add in the paper for food sales or to come home with 40 lbs of beans or to show me a basspro/SG ad for gear "wouldnt this work honey.."Its also not uncommom for me to show up with the same " hey hon' i know those walmart boots suck, we gotta get you new ones, i see BP,SA etc have sales wanna go look.....got some extra $ from a bonus..." " hon YOU pick out the pack that you like the best,,just make sure its xxx size...and here's frank,he'll size your pack for you....ill be right here........" how many of you have bought your wifes gear as good as yours? or bought the exact same. how many times has she used it...or have you bought any at all and she'll get the "leftoveres" meaning your stuff that isnt your go to's... ever ask her what boots she wants,, what gear she wants,what she thinks will work better for xxxxxx???? Once they are on board. there is no " who's in control" it will be established. She doesnt tell me how to shoot or pack my ruck.. and i dont tell her how to bake bread. BUT we do ask each other for help or give advice when needed! Its that simple.... like the old saying there is no I in team. Your marrige and SHTF preps are no different. ymmv.. my dr.phil hat is off now.. but its ok to be p-whipped ,,,,,we dont think less of you 
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I just got my wife on board with stalking up. I found out she does not like most pasta but I bought 4 cases of what she does like. We went to Sams club and got 100 pounds of Rice. We went to Petsmart and they had our Dogs dog food on sale for $3 off and we had coupons to take more off. I got her an AR but now getting her to go to the range because for some f-ing reason she has this high matabolism and needs lots of sleep she does not go. She does mow the lawn. |
Nice try. I don't have an Ipod and we don't do much snow skiing here in Texas. The rest of your post proves my point that how we communicate our content influences the priority the listener places on the message. Remember, we are dealing with human beings, generally in a non-military environment. We have to influence folks as ordering them around doesn't work very well in today's American culture. YMMV |
It's post like that that give this place a bad name. No wonder so many have the opinion that arfcom is full of blow-hards and keyboard commandos. Did "I" say this? No. I guess when something hits home and you feel bad about it, the only resort is to get stupid and call names. Yep, I beat my wife, that's about the stupidest shit I've heard in my life. I guess since we are going to extremes then that you are the typical Homer Simpson slip on a banana peel type husband then? Got a jezebel at home do we? Let's grow up already! The point is still the truth, I have SEEN AND WITNESSED where women HAVE held men back from prepping, training and even bugging out when needed. Why? Because the "man" (I use the term lightly) had LONG AGO given up any responsibilities of leadership in the household. It usually starts with the money and goes from there. So I stay by my point- if you are not the leader of your family as you should be and your wife is not at all involved with your preps, you ARE going to have a fight on your hand when the time comes. If your posting these little "my wife LET me" do this or that, guess what my friend? YOU'VE ALREADY LOST. It's interesting all these wanna be die hard patriots that think they are going to stand up and fight for there gun rights against UN Blue helmets, etc. but they've already lost the battle at home.... And no being a husband that leads your family does NOT mean you "beat your wife" that's about the stupidest crap I've ever heard. It means taking the responsibility GOD gave you and not shirking your responsibility like a little beeotch. Have a nice day.
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spec7- And FWIW, my wife is my single most important asset as a survivalist. More important than food, all my weapons, AE system, retreat, etc. Now why? Cause I can COUNT ON HER. She shoots pretty damn well as some here could attest, she prepares meals from food storage on a DAILY basis, she helps take care of our livestock, gardens and orchards. She knows how to work the bees, is learning to blacksmith with me, puts up hundreds of jars of food every year and has had no problem living in the middle of no where for almost 10 years. She has an intuition born of experience, intelligence and prayer, not corrupted by sitting on her arse daily watching Desperate Housewives or whatever stupid show is popular now (we don't have regular TV). She homeschools our son, she's an excellent wife and mother and she doesn't TAKE ANY $hit but she does respect me and of course I love her dearly. We don't operate on a "tit for tat" basis like so many "marriages" do. She doesn't feel she needs jewelry if we add some solar panels to the system. She is fully engaged in our endeavors to stay prepared. She is my right hand. I can honestly and fully count on her- Can you say the same of yours???? |
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Guess some here missed the point about having a code phrase (example - If I would ever say Taco Bell which is a place I hate, my wife knows something is up) that means trouble could save someone you care about. Childlike behavior in an emergency will get you killed. Get something out there and if you hope that you never use it. If your daughters calls during a date which is going bad and says something that doesn't make sense are you going to catch it? Enough said. |
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There is a real difference between how to act / react in normal civilized times versus potentially instant life death situations. During normal situations, division of labour is a good thing with husband and wife teams specializing in different skills and reaching agreements by committee, so to speak. Decision making during uncivilized situations must be autocratic. There is no time for explaining why a decision needs to be this way or that to accommodate some feminist ego - it must be followed as an order. Whether the decision maker is the man or woman is irrelevant, but in dangerous circumstances, someone must be the leader and the rest followers. Who this is MUST be determined before an event. When things resume to a level where the threat is not imminent, everyone can go back to decision by consensus. The difficulty may be in some spousal teams never before being in the type of circumstances which necessitates such an arrangement. If this is the case, you should endeavor to take up a sport which you can both enjoy, yet provides the situations which make leadership roles apparent. Where I have seen this demonstrated most frequently is in offshore cruising couples. |
A word or phrase that you would not normally use but can be injected into casual conversation without raising suspicion. Example: "Your Cousin Billy" could be used when neither you nor your significant other has a Cousin Billy. Thus, stating, "Your Cousin Billy had a flat tire last night and guess who had to take him to work this morning," could have hidden meaning. Different words/phrases can have different meanings. They can be used to mark communications as "under duress", "important", or "disregard the following false info". Or the phrase can have a specific meaning such as "get the flock out of Dodge and meet at BOL ASAP". Haven't you ever read Alas Babylon? |
Why would anyone marry a woman dummer then they are? That would be too much work.
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My wife just said you need to chill out
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Damn, Man! Well said. Does she have an unmarried sister??? Just joking with you, but that sounds good. Good for you! ETA: I have my wife's permission to think this. |
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growing up in Florida (where it takes place, for the uninitiated), it was required reading. yea, really. " That's where I first heard about the book. A girl I was dating was in an honors reading class and they were required to read it. She finished it and said "I think this is right up your alley." Thank God I don't have to survive with her though...
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