[ARCHIVED THREAD] - a new SHTF weapons thread (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 4/24/2007 8:25:13 PM EDT
Yes I know we have to prep with other items besides weapons but this is a gun board I guess the old weapons thread is in the archives so I think it is time for a new one  these are just my favorite shtf guns. I have others but these are my "2 is 1" pairs of 5.56, 7.62x39, and 12ga  and my go to mags and ammo  forgot I still have to post my handguns and "other weapons |
You could be whiped for this. Also want to hear how they are "paired up" |
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Here's a picture of some of mine. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/miamiair/ZZZCollection.jpg Have since added two Bushmasters, an AR-10 and a Springfield SOCOM 16. |
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I'll be first to admit I love the pics but I like Pyro's setup the best so far, nice and simple. Hate to say it, I chuckle everytime I see a collection of TSHTF rifles, pistols and shotguns saying "THESE ARE MY TSHTF Guns". It always comes back to bounce around inside my empty head saying, "Geez, how are they going to carry all of that..." OR will they be standing in front of the gunsafe saying something like.. "Well, do I want to go for penetration or hi capacity rate of fire, is it zombies, or sheeple, or UN storm troopers and which rifle or shotgun or pistol should I use for this encouter, am I on a patrol, well I'll carry the AR, static location, well the FAL, am I in a vehicle well, I'll take the SMG look a like - do I want to impress the others at the front barricade.. well, I'll bring along the tricked out M4 and all it's gagdets..." As I get older I'm finding out having one or two weapon platforms but having spares in those is the way to go instead of having a little of this, little of that. If you had to pick just ONE Rifle and one sidearm from what you currently own... what would it be? No exceptions.. just ONE Rifle and ONE Sidearm you would be carrying if TSHTF. |
AR15 & Glock 19. I hunt, plink and plan so I have more than just one rifle/sidearm. It's also more fun! |
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Variety is the spice of life! I have different guns for different reasons. Sometimes I don't want to be carrying a super cool "tactical" rifle in my AO so the old 1930s SXS or Mossy 500 and carry pistols might do. If it is a true TEOTW event then the 308 semi comes out.  
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Well, it depends on what your idea of TSHTF is as to how many weapons are part of the battery. Some people seem to think all they need is what they can carry....I hope you can carry a hoe, seeds, a flock of chickens, canning jars, an axe, animal traps, 300 pounds of wheat and a mill etc along with your two "survival" guns....(maybe that's what the wheelbarrow is for?) because that's what it's going to take to REALLY survive long term. Bug out or combat operations are one thing and light is better....Long term survival is something else altogether different and allows for a much greater degree of specialization/variety in the weapons department. Me, I'm in it long term and have MANY weapons systems for specialized work as needed. |
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My Formula: 308 and 45 for defending the home 223 and 9mm for when you must abandon your beloved home and walk But I would hate to not survive an invasion of parachuting polar bears because I didn't have a hunting rifle, the excess guns don't take up that much space and they add to the variety. |
That is what I was thinking...the sf board is my favorite to talk about shtf weapons, preps, and way of life. I plan on buggin in and have extras to arm the family. If I had to bug out and take only one rifle and pistol it would be the ar carbine and my HKusp 9mm. did not mean to offend anyone here with this post... |
1989 Browning Hi Power MkIII (9mm Parabellum)  1943 Inland M1 Carbine (.30 Carbine) 
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im gonna have to go w/ the ar15 and g19 combo myself i just got another g19 and the partial torture test video posted this week has inspired me to do the same w/ mine this weekend i wanna break her in right and see whats shes really capable of ofcourse i will keep the 1911 handy somewhere in the bob just incase |
This is what I'm talkin about. When your running for your life, what will you have with you? |
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Running to where? Unless a meteor is going to impact on MY house....I ain't running anywhere! There is VERY SHORT list of things that would cause me to leave my home. There is a very LONG list of reasons to stay. I prepare for the most likely events.....meaning I will be staying barring a few scenarios. Everybody has their definition of TSHTF, most of mine include staying right were I am vs. becoming a refugee. Ever seen a refugee camp? They are the most miserable specimens of human kind you will ever encounter. No thanks. An armed refugee is nothing more than a looter/bandit that hasn't gotten hungry enough yet! |
So true. If it comes to defending the home/neighborhood, I'll take the AK and the wife will probably use the SKS. |
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No. There is a serious difference between "bugging out" and wandering aimlessly as a refugee. If you "have a place to bug out to" then I would assume it is stocked with extra weapons and equipment so the, "You only have what you can carry" is a specious argument unless you plan on being on the road for weeks before reaching your destination....not a very good plan. If your retreat is not stocked then it is barely worth having. "A place to go" without serious supplies on hand is nothing more than a place to die away from home. The rather limited time spent "bugging out" hardly makes for a good overall survival plan. You need to plan for that possibility but I certainly don't expect to be "bugging out" for more than a few days at most. My personal plan takes no more than two hours including several alternate routes. Any more time than that is too friggen long to be on the road in Injun Country. In the long term survival picture that merits minor consideration and not something to build a survival arsenal around. I stand by my statement that if you are "bugging out" without a place to go....you are nothing more than a refugee who hasn't gotten hungry enough to loot or resort to banditry. If you have a place to go then you have no reason to just have only what you can carry...it's really not that hard to understand. |
Not exactly wrong. Notice your own wording. "Potential", as in "potential" looter. You tell me which has a greater "potential" to try looting your home: The family that is armed and hunkered down in their own home with plenty of provisions, or the family that is armed and short on provisions/shelter/etc because they simply can't carry a lot on their backs? One category is going to be much more desperate than the other. Now, of course you should prepare to bug-out if it is absolutely necessary. I live at the mouth of a canyon that a lot of shipping (both truck and rail) passes through. In fact, just in the last year we had a semi-truck loaded with explosives crash in the canyon. The blast not only put a crater where the highway was, but also destroyed the nearby train tracks it was so powerful. Now, should there be a chemical spill involving poisonous gases, it is very likely that we would need to evac. We are prepared for this and get out of the house and on the road in a matter of two minutes or less, grabbing our "72 hour kit" on the way out. However, abandoning the home for long term isn't a desireable option by any stretch of the imagination. Refugees are in a significantly more precareous and potentially desperate position. They are a greater risk than those who are prepared at home. |
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I just want to add that if we have to "bug-out" we'll be going to nearby family. I can get to a sister's house or my In-Laws in less than 1/2 hour driving. With really congested roads I should still be able to get there within a couple of hours. If for some reason the car and/or roads aren't useable, we can still walk to family in a day or two. |
| There are only a handful of situations that would get me to bug out. Having said that, I live within 5 miles of the greatest concentration of Arabs anywhere east of Saudi. Defending the neighborhood may not be a good idea. As for being a refugee, ideally that status will only a few hours, until I make it to my other house. That neighorhood will be much easier to defend, having only 2 neighbors with less that 4 legs. |
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Partly correct in that I could have done a better job in delineating the differences between bugging out and merely "running for your life"...one implies some level of planning, the other is reactionary. In my original answer I asked the question "Running to where?" If you have a place to go then you aren't a refugee, you're a traveler. Though just having a place to go leaves you no better off than a refugee unless you have prepared the site beforehand for extended living. That means more than a case of MRE's and some blankets. Again, if you have a place to go, and it is stocked...the whole "you only can use what you can carry" argument is without merit. If you are thinking about living out of a backpack or living in a "retreat" without serious pre positioning of supplies.....you are just a refugee with a gun who hasn't yet got hungry enough to loot and pillage. |
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OK, now I have a question that I have to ask. A few times in this thread and others I've heard people refer to "bugging out" to pre-prepared places with lots of provisions. What comes to mind is either the home of friends/family, a cabin somewhere out of town, or a stash buried out in the woods somewhere. The friends/family home makes good sense. A cabin may or may not be as good. A buried "stash" doesn't strike me as being very good at all. If there are others fleeing town for whatever reason, your cabin could seem awefully inviting to someone else. You could bug out to your cabin only to find it occupied already. What more, they could well be armed and if they've discovered that the place is well stocked, chances are that they won't be inclined to leave. What more, a cabin in the wilderness somewhere (whether it be prairie or woods) is by definition isolated. What happens when someone with a scoped deer rifle takes advantage of a semi-lawless situation (or totally lawless) to take your cabin by force? As for the buried stash concept, who here thinks that they're the only one who thought of bugging out to the woods? Again you face the problems mentioned in the cabin example, except you have even less shelter. So why bug out to the "wilderness" at all unless absolutely forced to? |
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+1 on that. FAL 7.62 and Kimber .45 for defending the home. AR15 in 5.56 and Browning Hi-Power 9mm for bug out. |
AR15 and Glock 17 But if you weren't looking, I'd slip a Ruger 22/45 in my pack! |
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Holy crap i was all ready for some kick ass gun porn and the third post made me nautious....... now instead of posting gun porn i got to break into my stockpile of pepto and whiskey  \/ \/ \/ \/ |
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Well I think I've made a complete 360* as far as SHTF weapons are concerned. I started out wanting an M-4 because it's light, ammo is common, parts are cheap, and I built 2 so I knew the in/outs of the system. I got to thinking that I wanted more punch because in a long term SHTF I wanted something in a hunting caliber for deer. S So I sold one m-4 and traded the other for an M1A. I currently have the M1A and after thinking it through I think I'm going to sell it and go back to the M-4, here are the reasons. M1A is ammo sensitive - hard to find Nato 7.62 post SHTF Parts are MUCH more expensive and the system is harder to work on The weapon is larger and harder to conceal (cant break it down into two receiver groups) I have several bolt/semi-auto rifles dedicated to hunting I can stash at the BOL M-4 can take any off the shelf ammo (grain size matters but not a show stopper) Lighter weapons system and ammo ( remember this is just to get me TO my location) Very familiar with the function/maint. of the weapon easier to stash in a pack when broken down ability to change to .22 cal. for foraging duties. So I'm selling the M1A to my buddy who just got back from Iraq and is also a gun nut, works out for both parties. My next big dilema is whether to sell my SA GI .45 and just train/ stock up on ammo/ parts for my CZ-75BD. Again the criteria is the same. just my two cents and if any one has any thoughts on the pistols let me know! |
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There are many good ideas here, and I only have a few things to add. If anything happens, most likely I will be barracading myself in my apartment. If not, I will be heading to either the folks house, or to my sisters house. (Brother in law and two adorable little neices) Dad has the real firepower: Weatherby Mk. V in 300 Magnum. His elk hunting rifle (Not sure if it is Weatherby or Winchester magnum) Back this up with a Remington 7400 or 7600. (semiauto in .30/06) I have a Bushmaster carbine and am working on a Springfield M1A Scout rifle. Add to this a couple of .45ACP handguns, a Marlin 336C, and a Ruger pistol and rifle in .22lr and that pretty much rounds it out for me. Dad also has a variety of shotguns, but he is set up primarily for hunting. Thus, my preps may (and probably will) be very important if necessary. The Scout rifle is for him when he runs out of ammo, and I can back him up with the Bushmaster. Add everything else and we will be set for a while. (I hope) Then it just becomes attitude. Help neighbors is one thing, but ANY wrong move would be countered with extreme prejudice, especially for those that I don't know. I would do or allow nothing that would risk the lives of me and my family. (I sincerely hope that none of the things we are discussing (and preparing for) here EVER come to pass. But it is not that big of a deal for me because I like guns, and I like shooting guns.) |
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I am planning on having 4 complete SHTF weapons platforms. Two will be at my BOL, one at home where I am the only one capable of carrying it, and an extra at a friends house who I can trust. These will all include an AR or Mini 14, and one defensive pistol. The rest of the platform will be support for the two weapons (ammo and cleaning supplies), and basic survival equipment. Not long term survival, but 7 days in the field. I will also have other firearms that could be used for home defense and abandoned if necessary. I already have lots of ammo, and guns at my BOL and am going to start stockpileing food there and not just at my home. My entire family will be very well armed, I just want to make sure that we are very well fed as well! |
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I'm moving to Colorado... 
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M-4 W/IR target designation and NV for night( my set-up uses the rechargable r123 batteries and the solar charger rolls up into my pack), and ACOG for day & HK USP .40 S&W. sw1217 |
I keep one in my gear too.
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I dislike you.  And to keep with the theme of the thread, my XD-45...not the best pic though.   Scout |
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Wearing ACU at the range huh hy.gif This is the first time I've been in the survival forum and I gotta ask, just what are you all preparing for? My initial reaction is that you are all a little paranoid. I think having food, blankets, flash lights, batteries, water, and an ammo stock pile is a good idea, but you are all talking about BOL and stashing things at other locations. Are you all anticipating a Doomsday scenario in the near future. Please explain and be specific. |
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it would be hard to be specific because everyone prepares for different things. you'll find folks preparing for anything from a week in cold weather without power due to an ice storm to collapse of government infrastructure/supply chain to a katrina style natural disaster to a full scale nuclear attack. also, the fashion police thread is ---------------> that way |