Posted: 5/17/2017 4:40:19 PM EDT
| Is there something to look for or something to stay away from? We don't have a stove at all and I was thinking that a backpack stove would be good for boiling water for tea or coffee while out and we plan on getting a coleman stove for the campsite. We were at REI and I really liked the Snow peak Litemax bit it didn't have a hard case and was 60 bucks there was also the GigaPower 2.0 which looks nice and has 4 ledges for cups, they also had the usual MSR Pocket rocket 2 and were fresh out of the regular pocket rocket. BTW, we know nothing about stoves I was looking for a deal and didn't find one. they also had the jetboil ones that came with the cup and stove all in one but it is bulky and you can't use it for anything else if needed. What do you have? |
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You could get a VERY inexpensive chicom canister stove (Like $15 and under) to do some trials with, They work OK.
And then get a better name brand model when you decide what you like. Get two. Some of this is preference. Do you like a stove that sits on the canister and uses it for a base? Or do you want a remote setup with a hose? How long of a trip (days)? What weather do you plan to take trips in? I use a white gas stove (MSR Simmerlite) for longer trips or in snow. Short trips in cold weather, I prefer a remote tank that I can keep warm or invert and liquid feed the stove. Right now I have two Chicom versions that work well. Short trips in moderate weather, the tank top are quick and easy to heat water with (can be a bit tippy). I use a Snow Peak model I picked up while living in Japan. Recently I've switched to using an alcohol stove for short trips. It's light, and very quiet - which is nice in the back country. |
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I have had great luck mountain climbing with MSR Dragonfly, Whisperlite and especially, the champion, the Pocket Rocket. The Pocket Rocket got me and my bro up Granite Peak and Mt. Cowan in Montana. Great stoves. |
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You could get a VERY inexpensive chicom canister stove (Like $15 and under) to do some trials with, They work OK. And then get a better name brand model when you decide what you like. Get two. Some of this is preference. Do you like a stove that sits on the canister and uses it for a base? Or do you want a remote setup with a hose? How long of a trip (days)? What weather do you plan to take trips in? I use a white gas stove (MSR Simmerlite) for longer trips or in snow. Short trips in cold weather, I prefer a remote tank that I can keep warm or invert and liquid feed the stove. Right now I have two Chicom versions that work well. Short trips in moderate weather, the tank top are quick and easy to heat water with (can be a bit tippy). I use a Snow Peak model I picked up while living in Japan. Recently I've switched to using an alcohol stove for short trips. It's light, and very quiet - which is nice in the back country. |
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Day trips and nice weather. It will be for when we are out camping and go on hikes. We will always be sleeping at camp. What brand is the cheap China one you mentioned. I wouldn't mind trying one. REI has a jet boil with a ignitor built into it so no need for matches to start it but I would rater go with a well reviewed one. My wife doesn't camp so the last thing I want to do is make it a bad time for her. The 7.99 "Orange" canister stove. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A7R2BLG?tag=vglnk-c102-20 15 and 20 dollar remote stoves. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GLKDYL4?tag=vglnk-c102-20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0114BSFKK?tag=vglnk-c102-20 |
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Recently I've switched to using an alcohol stove for short trips. It's light, and very quiet - which is nice in the back country. I tried making a few of the soda can designs for the hell of it (figured it was handy to learn how to make them before ever NEEDING to know how). Sanding the paint off is optional, but if desired, is best done on an unopened can first. The one I settled on is similar to the one in this video but with slight variations, I can make one from a single soda pop can with just my Swiss Army knife. Double wall soda can stove To make one from a single soda can, the first step is to score the aluminum all around the ring inside the top of the can. Aluminum is soft, so the tip of any steel blade will do it. Don't try to CUT through the aluminum. Using too much pressure might dent/crush/deform the can. I simply use light-medium pressure and keep turning the can scoring it deeper and deeper until I score through it, then carefully pop it through (it'll fall inside. That's fine). The 2nd part is to once again lightly score the sides of the can about 1 3/8" from the top and bottom. Initially, just score it lightly enough to scratch a line all the way around both top and bottom. Easiest way to do it is to work on a flat surface and lay the blade flat on something to get it about the right height, then place the can against the tip of the blade and rotate the can. Again, it's simply a matter of scoring the aluminum enough that you can now 'pop the score line' as seen in the 'soda can stove' videos. Score both top and bottom until the blade tip goes through BEFORE you pop the score lines on either end. Carefully pop the score lines and you'll now have a top section, bottom section and middle section. Toss the top lid that fell inside the can earlier. Take the middle 'ring' and cut through it vertically so it's now a strip of aluminum. As shown in the video above, make a circle with that strip so it fits jnside the top section of the can. Mark the strip in the middle of the overlap and cut halfway down from the top at the mark on one end and halfway up from the bottom at the mark on the other end as seen in the video. Instead of the 2 parallel cuts to make the square holes in the bottom of the ring as seen in the video, I use 2 cuts to make a small triangular notch in the bottom. These are simply feeder holes for fuel to flow into the double walled section of the stove. They only need to be big enough for the fuel to flow, so I only make the notches about 1/8" tall. I make 4 of these notches, evenly spaced around the bottom of the ring. Insert the ring, notches down in the bottom section of the can. I then carefully crease the edges of the top section's edges just a bit to allow me to slide the edges of the top inside the edges of the bottom section and then carefully apply more pressure to press fit the top section of the can inside the bottom section taking care that the inner wall ring doesn't get crumpled and fits inside the top of the top section as I press it in. By doing it this way, the walls of the stove are effectively three layers thick (top section, bottom section and middle section) making it pretty strong vertically. If you score the top and bottom lines carefully and pop the score lines with care, all the edges will be straight and nothing else is needed to seal anything. No JB Weld etc. Proper way to score the can Scoring the can Now use a pin/tack/push pin to poke 16 holes around the top of the can as seen in the vid. 16 holes is easy because you just start by poking 2 holes across from each other and keep poking holes halfway between them again and again. No measurements needed. If you poke the holes as seen in the 1st vid, you can place a steel mug (or the stainless steel Nalgene type bottles) right on the little stove to boil water. Other designs NEED the container to be suspended above the stove, necessitating a pot stand. This design doesn't. To light the stove, pour in alcohol, light the alcohol in the center. As the alcohol burns, it heats up the stove, vaporizing (and pressurizing the fuel trapped between the inner and outer walls). The vaporized fuel jets out the little holes and will ignite (takes about 10 seconds for the jets to ignite with 1 ounce of Heet at 70f. At 15f sitting on a piece of wood and NOT directly on snow, it takes about 45 seconds for the jets to ignite). Once the jets are lit, you can place the container right on the stove to boil water. You can also use a pot stand/wind shield to increase wind resistance and thermal transfer efficiency. The folding titanium windshield/pot stands are very light and fold flat. The stove itself is super light (weight of empty aluminum soda can minus the top lid section). It's strong enough to support a full 1-liter stainless steel Nalgene for boiling water. It's also MUCH quieter than something like an MSR Dragonfly that sounds like a small jet engine. On a quiet night in the woods, the Dragonfly could be heard almost 1/4 mile across open ground, while the soda can stove was about inaudible from more than 20 yards away. Because it's thin aluminum (great thermal conductivity), it heats and vaporizes fuel faster than a brass alcohol stove like an Esbit or Trangia. It also cools super fast once the flames are out. I store it inside a Ziploc bag in the steel camping mug. The brass stoves are stronger, but I wouldn't store fuel IN them (both my Trangia and Esbit leaked fuel). With the soda can stove, I usually let the fuel in the stove burn out. If I wanted to kill the flame, I can either blow it out with a really strong sharp puff, or just invert the empty stainless mug over it. Trying to pour back unused fuel into the bottle involves dribbling it all over your hands, which is why I usually just let it burn off in the stove. Experiment with the amounts of fuel needed for doing what you need so you don't waste too much fuel. If you misjudge, and the fuel runs out before the water boils, you can simply add more fuel and relight. Obviously you don't try to add fuel if there's still a flame. |
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White gas stoves are great for basecamps and situations where you are melting snow and have the space to accommodate flare-ups during priming.
Alcohol stove appear to work great, until you get wind. And, even without wind, alcohol stoves are prone to a creeping flame that will singe fleece gloves, jackets, etc. Not to mention the lack of flame control. Pound for pound, and in most environments, canister stoves will serve you the best. |
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I had many stoves over the years. Made several different Al soda can stoves but could never bring myself to carry one.
My #1 stove is a white gas only MSR Whisperlite. Any of the MSR white gas 'hose' based stoves is a good choice. Personally I would avoid a $15 chinese stove. A quality stove will last you a life time. I bought my first whisperlite (have 2) in the early 80's and it is still going strong. I had to replace the old gray style pump along the way. It cracked on a 10 day trip but could still use the stove the whole time. ie: the MSR has never failed. You can use unleaded gas in a white gas stove if necessary. ETA - Sorry I didn't see your post about -> Day trips and the wife not camping. Based on that, get a quality Hose Style canister stove. Easy to light, stable pot platform, and you can use a windscreen (very important here in the west). You will able to 'cook' on these, not just boil water. A white gas stove requires priming. Not a big deal but it is not as easy as a gas stove at home. MSR now makes a Whisplite that uses both canister and white gas fuels. Whisperlite Uiniversal |
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It's 10pm. We've been chasing elk for 15 hours. We are at 9,000ft and temp has dropped from 75F at 3pm to 25F.
I've just finished my dinner and packed away my Jetboil. I'm now snuggling down in bed under my tarp and will be asleep in minutes because I'm completely exhausted. Just before I fall asleep I glance over at my hunting partner sitting on a log still waiting for his MSR to boil a cup of water so he can eat. Been telling him for 3 years to get a Jetboil. |
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I did a snow melting experiment when I first got my MSR Simmerlite stove.
I filled a 3liter pot packed with snow and poured a little water in the bottom. Put the lid on, fired up the stove and set the pot on it. Air temp around 25°. After about 3-4 minutes I pulled the lid off to check progress, expecting the snow to be partially melted. The snow was completely melted, about 1 litre of liquid water and boiling at a roiling boil. I couldn't believe it. I had a Coleman Peak 1 white gas stove before this and it would take a long time to boil a litre of already liquid water. I was sold on the MSR. White gas are also good for larger groups where you need to boil a lot of water, and for longer trips so you aren't carrying around a bunch of empty cartridges. The convenience and light weight of cartridges are great. Instant stove. |
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Thread drift:Â I have found that hot Emergen-C makes a nice warm beverage to go with my morning oatmeal.
I bring a 16-ounce Guyot squishy bowl and a spork. That's it. Jetboil. Oatmeal, then beverage, same bowl. Turn it inside out, lick it clean, stow it. Done. |
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This is what I have and I would put it up against its MSR counterpart any day.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4FY8YO?tag=vglnk-c102-20 Whether you want something with a wider flame is totally up to you. |
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This is what I have and I would put it up against its MSR counterpart any day. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4FY8YO?tag=vglnk-c102-20 BTW - not trying to be a MSR fanboy. There are plenty of quality brands. ------------------------------- There is growing sediment among many people I know, and others. 'We are not going to help you in the back-country if you are unprepared, unless... it is 'literally life or death.' Short version of policy in action - You need to understand on the east side of the sierra, you grunt your pack over a 12,000 pass on day one. Late last summer my son and I go peak bagging. At the 'bag'er lake' a bear hits one of the camps and takes all their food. They come both to us and another peak bag'er camp and ask for food (hit us up three times). I asked what happened to your bear can (required here) and they said they didn't have one. Oh well... Too bad, soooo sad - nobody that carried the 2# bear can would give them any food and they had to march out hungry. I would treat that stove the same way, but if you came to me with a quality stove that failed -> no problem, cook away. The point is this sediment is not just mine... Maybe your area is different. |
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As a collector and camper I have a number of GPA's. I own 3 of the MSR series and the rest are all Coleman except for 1 SVEA.
My suggestion is if you want to cook with a small back pack stove look for a Coleman 550B . I think its the greatest cooking pocket stove. It can simmer and it can boil fast. You can also swap generators and run Kero, Diesel, Jet-A etc. If you want to boil water go with the MSR Simmer Lite or International. The international allows you to swap orifices and burn Kero, Diesel, Jet-A etc. But with the Kero orifice it burns really dirty. You have to get the stove preheated very hot before turning on. Also the MSR series of stoves dont simmer very well. The Simmer lite corrected that flaw but still not great. MSR is the best company in the camping world to deal with. Bought a old pump off ebay sent it in to be rebuilt ( Plastic was cracked). USPS lost my package. About 3 months later MSR received a letter from USPS stating that my package had been lost. They called me asked for my address and sent me a brand new pump no questions asked. Both can be found used. Check out Coleman collector forums. You will have to join up (its free) to access the classifieds. You should be able to pick up a 550B for around $35-45 used. May have to replace O-Rings but can be easily found. The MSR stoves can be bought for $15-45 depending if the pump and bottle is with it. Check Craiglist and Ebay both pop up very common. Also the Coleman 424 is a nice stove for base camp/car camping. The older stuff is better like the coleman 413 series and the 426B. Here is a Mod I listed on CCF. Coleman 424 Kero Conversion  
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There are tons of choices from cheap to well expensive but even expensive is relative. I have made penny stoves for nothing and have lots of purchased stoves but my favorite is this:
Primus Omnifuel It's relatively light weight and versatile. It is loud though and low temp cooking can be tricky but for that I cook over a fire or coals. Normally use white gas but I've confirmed works with K1 Kerosene. Edit: here is a good review Review from 2011 |
| Well I bought one. The Snow peak litemax. I got for for 59.99 with 20% odd and used a 15 bucks dividend check from REI. I brought the snow peak cup over that we have and used it to see which stove can heat it up. It didn't fit on the MSR ones at all and barely on the jetboil. I also bought 1 can of fuel and afew bags of mountain house food to try. I was tempted to buy the Jetboil Flash cooking system but it is pretty big and expensive.I will see how this one works out and get another down the road but this one was the most expensive one REI had. |
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I don't understand this thinking. An MSR Pocket Rocket is sub $40, is known to be very high quality and will last a lifetime. Why would you mess around trying to save the cost a meal out on an important piece of gear? One guy here had to get a fire extinguisher out when testing one of these $10 stoves. BTW - not trying to be a MSR fanboy. There are plenty of quality brands. ------------------------------- There is growing sediment among many people I know, and others. 'We are not going to help you in the back-country if you are unprepared, unless... it is 'literally life or death.' Short version of policy in action - You need to understand on the east side of the sierra, you grunt your pack over a 12,000 pass on day one. Late last summer my son and I go peak bagging. At the 'bag'er lake' a bear hits one of the camps and takes all their food. They come both to us and another peak bag'er camp and ask for food (hit us up three times). I asked what happened to your bear can (required here) and they said they didn't have one. Oh well... Too bad, soooo sad - nobody that carried the 2# bear can would give them any food and they had to march out hungry. I would treat that stove the same way, but if you came to me with a quality stove that failed -> no problem, cook away. The point is this sediment is not just mine... Maybe your area is different. Those little China stoves are neat though. I've seen one break but the rest I have seen have been fine. I have and like the Pocket Rocket |
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For general backpacking, I like my jetboil. All I need is to heat water for dehydrated or freeze-dried meals and beverages. I get decent mileage of out a fuel canister. |
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Thanks, the pocket rocket is more than likely the one I will get. it goes on sale this weekend so I will wait. 20% off 1 item and I can use my REI dividends. The Snow Peak is really nice but it doesn't have a hard case and that is a turn off and it is 60 bucks. the Pocketrocket 2 is like 44 before discounts. |
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Well I bought one. The Snow peak litemax. I got for for 59.99 with 20% odd and used a 15 bucks dividend check from REI. I brought the snow peak cup over that we have and used it to see which stove can heat it up. It didn't fit on the MSR ones at all and barely on the jetboil. I also bought 1 can of fuel and afew bags of mountain house food to try. I was tempted to buy the Jetboil Flash cooking system but it is pretty big and expensive.I will see how this one works out and get another down the road but this one was the most expensive one REI had. Kovea is a Korean company that makes outdoors gear/stoves of excellent quality. I've used their Spider model a few times in temps just below freezing with great success. The remote connection allows you to invert the iso-butane canisters when the cold affects their pressurization that afflicts typical top-mounted stoves in cold weather. Although not a well known company, I've had a lot of fun playing with this sub-one ounce stove: Lixada 25g Ultralight Mini Pocket Stove Quality is surprisingly good compared to several other stoves I own. Yeah, I'm sure it's of Chinese manufacture as I can't find out who exactly makes these stoves for Lixada, but they are solid and dependable. I wouldn't likely use this stove on a multiday trip, but for one-two day trips, this is a decent stove that will perform and I haven't hand any issues with it (nor have several others which is what swayed me to try it). ROCK6 |
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This is what I have and I would put it up against its MSR counterpart any day. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4FY8YO?tag=vglnk-c102-20 Whether you want something with a wider flame is totally up to you. 
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| I had an MSR pocket Rocket that got passed on to the wife when I picked up the Micro Rocket for something smaller that would fit in my cook set. (GSI) Both have seen a lot of use and both work great. I prefer the micro for the size but both work fine. I use the winter blend canisters for cold weather camping but if I were to do harsh winter camping or high altitude I would go with one of the liquid fuel stoves. Personally for me it would be MSR because I have had good luck with their products but that is just personal preference. |
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Yep. For boiling water at lower altitudes (white gas stoves work better at 10,000 ft or higher) an alcohol stove using regular Heet in the yellow bottle (available at grocery stores and most gas stations in the US) works really well. I tried making a few of the soda can designs for the hell of it (figured it was handy to learn how to make them before ever NEEDING to know how). Sanding the paint off is optional, but if desired, is best done on an unopened can first. The one I settled on is similar to the one in this video but with slight variations, I can make one from a single soda pop can with just my Swiss Army knife. Double wall soda can stove To make one from a single soda can, the first step is to score the aluminum all around the ring inside the top of the can. Aluminum is soft, so the tip of any steel blade will do it. Don't try to CUT through the aluminum. Using too much pressure might dent/crush/deform the can. I simply use light-medium pressure and keep turning the can scoring it deeper and deeper until I score through it, then carefully pop it through (it'll fall inside. That's fine). The 2nd part is to once again lightly score the sides of the can about 1 3/8" from the top and bottom. Initially, just score it lightly enough to scratch a line all the way around both top and bottom. Easiest way to do it is to work on a flat surface and lay the blade flat on something to get it about the right height, then place the can against the tip of the blade and rotate the can. Again, it's simply a matter of scoring the aluminum enough that you can now 'pop the score line' as seen in the 'soda can stove' videos. Score both top and bottom until the blade tip goes through BEFORE you pop the score lines on either end. Carefully pop the score lines and you'll now have a top section, bottom section and middle section. Toss the top lid that fell inside the can earlier. Take the middle 'ring' and cut through it vertically so it's now a strip of aluminum. As shown in the video above, make a circle with that strip so it fits jnside the top section of the can. Mark the strip in the middle of the overlap and cut halfway down from the top at the mark on one end and halfway up from the bottom at the mark on the other end as seen in the video. Instead of the 2 parallel cuts to make the square holes in the bottom of the ring as seen in the video, I use 2 cuts to make a small triangular notch in the bottom. These are simply feeder holes for fuel to flow into the double walled section of the stove. They only need to be big enough for the fuel to flow, so I only make the notches about 1/8" tall. I make 4 of these notches, evenly spaced around the bottom of the ring. Insert the ring, notches down in the bottom section of the can. I then carefully crease the edges of the top section's edges just a bit to allow me to slide the edges of the top inside the edges of the bottom section and then carefully apply more pressure to press fit the top section of the can inside the bottom section taking care that the inner wall ring doesn't get crumpled and fits inside the top of the top section as I press it in. By doing it this way, the walls of the stove are effectively three layers thick (top section, bottom section and middle section) making it pretty strong vertically. If you score the top and bottom lines carefully and pop the score lines with care, all the edges will be straight and nothing else is needed to seal anything. No JB Weld etc. Proper way to score the can Scoring the can Now use a pin/tack/push pin to poke 16 holes around the top of the can as seen in the vid. 16 holes is easy because you just start by poking 2 holes across from each other and keep poking holes halfway between them again and again. No measurements needed. If you poke the holes as seen in the 1st vid, you can place a steel mug (or the stainless steel Nalgene type bottles) right on the little stove to boil water. Other designs NEED the container to be suspended above the stove, necessitating a pot stand. This design doesn't. To light the stove, pour in alcohol, light the alcohol in the center. As the alcohol burns, it heats up the stove, vaporizing (and pressurizing the fuel trapped between the inner and outer walls). The vaporized fuel jets out the little holes and will ignite (takes about 10 seconds for the jets to ignite with 1 ounce of Heet at 70f. At 15f sitting on a piece of wood and NOT directly on snow, it takes about 45 seconds for the jets to ignite). Once the jets are lit, you can place the container right on the stove to boil water. You can also use a pot stand/wind shield to increase wind resistance and thermal transfer efficiency. The folding titanium windshield/pot stands are very light and fold flat. The stove itself is super light (weight of empty aluminum soda can minus the top lid section). It's strong enough to support a full 1-liter stainless steel Nalgene for boiling water. It's also MUCH quieter than something like an MSR Dragonfly that sounds like a small jet engine. On a quiet night in the woods, the Dragonfly could be heard almost 1/4 mile across open ground, while the soda can stove was about inaudible from more than 20 yards away. Because it's thin aluminum (great thermal conductivity), it heats and vaporizes fuel faster than a brass alcohol stove like an Esbit or Trangia. It also cools super fast once the flames are out. I store it inside a Ziploc bag in the steel camping mug. The brass stoves are stronger, but I wouldn't store fuel IN them (both my Trangia and Esbit leaked fuel). With the soda can stove, I usually let the fuel in the stove burn out. If I wanted to kill the flame, I can either blow it out with a really strong sharp puff, or just invert the empty stainless mug over it. Trying to pour back unused fuel into the bottle involves dribbling it all over your hands, which is why I usually just let it burn off in the stove. Experiment with the amounts of fuel needed for doing what you need so you don't waste too much fuel. If you misjudge, and the fuel runs out before the water boils, you can simply add more fuel and relight. Obviously you don't try to add fuel if there's still a flame. |
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Optimus Crux is my favorite pocket rocket - type stove.  Larger burner head, even flame distribution, and folds/stores in the bottom of a 300g fuel canister. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61jdTCSNIOL._SL1032_.jpg I use a RUCAS alcohol stove that I bought off of eBay as a backup. It's a professionally made alcohol stove that is made from a recycled thick walled aluminum drink bottle. Probably one of the best of the little alcohol stoves on the market and you don't need a pot stand with it. Plus it's nearly indestructible. The RUCAS stove is tall but just BARELY fits in the Optimus Crux cook set with the 8oz fuel canister. Can't fit the alcohol in it though unless you had some sort of weird donut shaped bladder for it. I just have the 8oz Vargo alcohol bottle in with my fire kit. Other shorter/fatter stoves will fit no problem too of course. |
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Not much personal experience...
MSR and JetBoil are the two big brands for backpacking stoves. They both mini canister stoves, they both do the integrated canister/stove/pot boiling stuff, etc.. In general, MSR stoves are cheaper and the reviews more positive. I've got a MSR Pocket Rocket 2 (smaller than the original). Picket it up for $35 with discounts, but normally they run around $45. You can also find the older original Pocket Rocket for around $40 in a few places. |
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White gas stoves are great for basecamps and situations where you are melting snow and have the space to accommodate flare-ups during priming. Alcohol stove appear to work great, until you get wind. And, even without wind, alcohol stoves are prone to a creeping flame that will singe fleece gloves, jackets, etc. Not to mention the lack of flame control. Pound for pound, and in most environments, canister stoves will serve you the best. To control flame you build simmer rings. Aka two can tops. Nested together. And you rotate them to control the opening. Think camera shutter. Since the openings are elongated. Off one oz of denatured I'd avg 15-20 minutes burn time. Wind - simple aluminum 4inch dryer duct. With holes drilled in it. Two lengths of metal cost hanger as let's about 5 inches long. Push them thru pre drilled holes. Set screen around stove,set pot in windscreen. No wild flame. Is it best. Nope. But it all nest in my stanley cup. Windscreen,two pegs,bottle of fuel 3 oz,stove,simmer rings matches,lighter,3m pad and spork. Enjoy my shitty movie on it. From years back. Canteen cup sucks as it's thicker than other post I've used. Gotten better burn Times etc. But for heating tea freeze dried,etc it's always worked. Either way.. it'll give you an idea of the components..simmer rings. Ymmv.  Soda can stove review  Soda can stove review pt 2 |
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Surf around Amazon The 7.99 "Orange" canister stove. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A7R2BLG?tag=vglnk-c102-20 15 and 20 dollar remote stoves. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GLKDYL4?tag=vglnk-c102-20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0114BSFKK?tag=vglnk-c102-20 I got it under the name D-POWER I have no comparison. I do not have the other stove! I do fine it works great! Easy to balance in rough train! With this style of stove. You can turn the fuel can upside down, while cooking. If your stove may not be burning quit right! Something you can not do with the top mount! Mine came with a hard plastic case! Yes! It was orange  !!!
Just my 1/2 cent worth!!! PITA45 
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MSR Pocket Rocket MSR Micro Rocket which is the precursor to the Pocket Rocket II. MSR WindPro MSR XGK EX Optimus Crux JetBoil Older Coleman Apex(retired) Older Camping Gaz Bluet 206(puncture canister)(retired) Each has its strengths and weaknesses But if I could choose just one, it would be the Pocket Rocket. It just works, it is simple, it is light, it is fast and I think you get the most out of your canister for under 1 week trips. I also love snow peak stuff, but have no personal experience with them other than playing with them when I used to work in the outdoor industry and their products are great. |
