Posted: 10/18/2014 9:10:00 AM EDT
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This will be my absolute first Precision Rifle Build. I built an AR15 in 300 Blackout earlier this year, and am trying to finish off my modest gun collection. (1 AR, 1 Handgun, 1 Shotgun, 1 Long Range Rifle). As such, I have put together a list of parts that I think should make a decent shooter. I really am not trying to get out to the max range of this caliber, and I don't have any 1000 yard ranges around my home, nor do I have the acreage to do it on my property. If I end up getting 3/4" groups at 100 yards and able to hit targets out to 500-700y I think I would be happy. Here are the parts I am thinking about picking up. Please let me know if something is off, or if there is a better option. Thanks! Random Buffer Tube Command Arms Bipod -> Atlas BT10 Bipod Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16 -> Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 Also, if I'm missing anything small I will need, like rail sections or something, let me know. Thanks so much for your input, I am new to the Precision world. |
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I'd get the gun, a bipod, and forget all the rest. Spend your money on a better scope. All those tactical bells and whistles won't make it shoot any better. I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. |
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This will be my absolute first Precision Rifle Build. I built an AR15 in 300 Blackout earlier this year, and am trying to finish off my modest gun collection. (1 AR, 1 Handgun, 1 Shotgun, 1 Long Range Rifle). As such, I have put together a list of parts that I think should make a decent shooter. I really am not trying to get out to the max range of this caliber, and I don't have any 1000 yard ranges around my home, nor do I have the acreage to do it on my property. If I end up getting 3/4" groups at 100 yards and able to hit targets out to 500-700y I think I would be happy. Here are the parts I am thinking about picking up. Please let me know if something is off, or if there is a better option. Thanks! Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 MDT LSS Chassis Fixed Stock Adapter Random Buffer Tube Magpul PRS Ergo Grip Flat Top Tactical Deluxe Grip Command Arms Bipod Badger Bolt Knob Burris Extreme Rings Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16 -> Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 Also, if I'm missing anything small I will need, like rail sections or something, let me know. Thanks so much for your input, I am new to the Precision world. I don't think I understand your list. If you're building a Remington 700, what is the MAGPUL PRS for? |
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Quoted: I don't think I understand your list. If you're building a Remington 700, what is the MAGPUL PRS for? Quoted: Quoted: This will be my absolute first Precision Rifle Build. I built an AR15 in 300 Blackout earlier this year, and am trying to finish off my modest gun collection. (1 AR, 1 Handgun, 1 Shotgun, 1 Long Range Rifle). As such, I have put together a list of parts that I think should make a decent shooter. I really am not trying to get out to the max range of this caliber, and I don't have any 1000 yard ranges around my home, nor do I have the acreage to do it on my property. If I end up getting 3/4" groups at 100 yards and able to hit targets out to 500-700y I think I would be happy. Here are the parts I am thinking about picking up. Please let me know if something is off, or if there is a better option. Thanks! Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 MDT LSS Chassis Fixed Stock Adapter Random Buffer Tube Magpul PRS Ergo Grip Flat Top Tactical Deluxe Grip Command Arms Bipod Badger Bolt Knob Burris Extreme Rings Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16 -> Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 Also, if I'm missing anything small I will need, like rail sections or something, let me know. Thanks so much for your input, I am new to the Precision world. I don't think I understand your list. If you're building a Remington 700, what is the MAGPUL PRS for? The way the build is set, the action / barrell / trigger are unscrewed from the Hogue stock that the 700 comes with, and screwed into the MDT LSS Chassis. Think of it as a lower receiver sorta. And the chassis accepts standard AR15 stocks and grips.
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The way the build is set, the action / barrell / trigger are unscrewed from the Hogue stock that the 700 comes with, and screwed into the MDT LSS Chassis. Think of it as a lower receiver sorta. And the chassis accepts standard AR15 stocks and grips. Quoted:
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This will be my absolute first Precision Rifle Build. I built an AR15 in 300 Blackout earlier this year, and am trying to finish off my modest gun collection. (1 AR, 1 Handgun, 1 Shotgun, 1 Long Range Rifle). As such, I have put together a list of parts that I think should make a decent shooter. I really am not trying to get out to the max range of this caliber, and I don't have any 1000 yard ranges around my home, nor do I have the acreage to do it on my property. If I end up getting 3/4" groups at 100 yards and able to hit targets out to 500-700y I think I would be happy. Here are the parts I am thinking about picking up. Please let me know if something is off, or if there is a better option. Thanks! Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 MDT LSS Chassis Fixed Stock Adapter Random Buffer Tube Magpul PRS Ergo Grip Flat Top Tactical Deluxe Grip Command Arms Bipod Badger Bolt Knob Burris Extreme Rings Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16 -> Vortex Viper HS-T 4-16 Also, if I'm missing anything small I will need, like rail sections or something, let me know. Thanks so much for your input, I am new to the Precision world. I don't think I understand your list. If you're building a Remington 700, what is the MAGPUL PRS for? The way the build is set, the action / barrell / trigger are unscrewed from the Hogue stock that the 700 comes with, and screwed into the MDT LSS Chassis. Think of it as a lower receiver sorta. And the chassis accepts standard AR15 stocks and grips. Interesting. Thanks! 
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That chassis is cool, but I'd never get one if the majority of my shooting was from a bipod. I'd much rather have a chassis or stock with the bipod mounting point much farther forward to increase the lever arm length and reduce the amount of error generated by movement at the shooter/buttstock end of the rifle.
Also for that much money, just get the Atlas bipod. I dont know any serious precision shooters who would choose that CA bipod. |
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Quoted: That chassis is cool, but I'd never get one if the majority of my shooting was from a bipod. I'd much rather have a chassis or stock with the bipod mounting point much farther forward to increase the lever arm length and reduce the amount of error generated by movement at the shooter/buttstock end of the rifle. Also for that much money, just get the Atlas bipod. I dont know any serious precision shooters who would choose that CA bipod. Thanks for the input Chrome. I switched out the bipod for an atlas one. Should be good to go there. I see what you mean about the pivot point of the bipod on that chassis. I will check around and look at other chassis systems that have a longer front end, but am a tiny bit partial to the looks of this one compared to some others. Ill keep in on the list for now, but shop around a bit.
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Quoted: I would look at Savage rifles as well. Remington has been struggling lately. Also, are you sure you want a chassis instead of a nice HS or McM stock? Most of the chassis systems have savage and tikka variants as well. I wasn't aware that Remington was having issues. Which savage model would you recommend? And I kind of prefer the AR aluminum look more than the standard stock look.
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OP have you shot a bolt gun with a pistol grip on it? I am not a fan. You might want to try before you buy one or a thumbhole stock. Nor am I. The ai stocks don't work for me for that reason. I prefer to rest my right hand against the stock, not grip it. |
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The model 10. You can get a model 10 with a McMillan A2 for $1100. All the ones I have shot in the last 10 years have been plenty accurate. I will add this. Back in 2001 I had a Savage model 10 that I shot straight out of the box side by side with my M24. The only thing I did was mount our M3A scope on it. I shot them together from 100 meters to 600 meters (IIRC may have been a little further). They both shot the same and I was surprised to say the least. I'm not trying to suggest that a savage is a high end, military grade sniper or precision rifle, but it could be an option. Personally I'd stick to the Remington. |
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Quoted: I'd suggest this as well. I'm no fan of long range shooting with anything resembling a pistol grip. Quoted: Quoted: OP have you shot a bolt gun with a pistol grip on it? I am not a fan. You might want to try before you buy one or a thumbhole stock. I'd suggest this as well. I'm no fan of long range shooting with anything resembling a pistol grip. Good call guys. Ill shelf this until I can go to the range and borrow a buddy's bolt actions. I don't know if I can get ahold of one with a pistol grip, but I can lay down and see how it feels with an ar + a bipod.
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| If you do decide to go the chassis route look at the XLR element, KRG X-ray, or Mcree's. the MDT just looks goofy, not to mention once you add the chassis, PRS stock, and whatever grip you buy you actually paying more then you would for one of those other chassis I mentioned. |
| Another "chassis" option is the Manners Mini Chassis. You can have it put in their stocks so you get a more standard stock feel but with the bolt and go ease of a chassis. Check out Manners Stocks and look at the Mini Chassis system. I have 3 of them and they work great. |
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Another "chassis" option is the Manners Mini Chassis. You can have it put in their stocks so you get a more standard stock feel but with the bolt and go ease of a chassis. Check out Manners Stocks and look at the Mini Chassis system. I have 3 of them and they work great. That would be my vote aswell. My next stock will be a manners. My current setup has a hs precision 700p takeoff, and its useable, just not ideal. |
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I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. Quoted:
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I'd get the gun, a bipod, and forget all the rest. Spend your money on a better scope. All those tactical bells and whistles won't make it shoot any better. I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. This is complete bullshit... If you properly execute your fundamentals then your barrel will be free floated... Always load your bipod. OP, you will be better off just picking up a rifle, scope, and lots of ammunition. Practice goes a long ways. Pickup whatever you feel is most needed after that. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then purchase whatever you desire. |
| Why dont you consider an FN SPR, then you are already ahead a McM stock and base. Or conversely a 700 5R if you want to stay with Remington. Forget all the junk, start with a basic set up, spend as much as you possibly can on glass. if it would make a difference I would go so far as to say skip the bipod (for now) and spend the balance on a better scope up front. Learn to shoot from your ruck. Lots of good options in the $1500 range these days. |
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How experienced are you at shooting long range?
I would recommend starting with a reputable rifle, mount, scope, rings, and some sandbags. Learn your rifle. Learn how to shoot it, feed it, its likes and dislikes, and then when you have developed a relationship with her - start changing things as needed based on your EXPERIENCE with her. The precision rifle world is a whole different ballgame and you're talking about spending a lot of money before even trying her out. You're not buying a stripped AR lower receiver... the thing is going to be put together and ready to shoot the minute you pick it up from the store. Have you looked at the price of match grade ammo? Shit ain't cheap. You may even decide to put your money towards reloading equipment and components if you get serious about it. Or dump a bunch of money before even shooting it so that it looks really cool and you can post a picture in the build thread and feel good about spending a bunch of money. I wish this was future me talking to past me. I've been there and done that bro. ETA: I'll try and be helpful towards your list- I've had good experiences with the Burris XTR rings. They are a bit of overkill if you ask me but that's okay. Get the lows if you're going with a 30mm scope. You didn't list a scope base. The EGW bases are pretty much the go-to in my experience. I have one and I like it. Get a 20MOA base if you ever plan on shooting out to 1000yrds. |
| In my opinion, the PRS isn't even a good stock for an AR, due to how far back the cheekpiece is. It has to be there so the charging handle can work, but it puts your face way too far from the sights. On a bolt gun, it will put your face even farther away, and it will be darn near impossible to establish proper eye relief or cheek weld. Everybody likes tactical-looking rifles, but there's no faster way to ruin a good bolt gun than by trying to turn it into an AR. From a shooting perspective, most of the chassis on the market are very poorly designed, but appeal to their target market based on appearance alone. Most shooters would be better served by a conventional stock. |
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How experienced are you at shooting long range? I would recommend starting with a reputable rifle, mount, scope, rings, and some sandbags. Learn your rifle. Learn how to shoot it, feed it, its likes and dislikes, and then when you have developed a relationship with her - start changing things as needed based on your EXPERIENCE with her. The precision rifle world is a whole different ballgame and you're talking about spending a lot of money before even trying her out. You're not buying a stripped AR lower receiver... the thing is going to be put together and ready to shoot the minute you pick it up from the store. Have you looked at the price of match grade ammo? Shit ain't cheap. You may even decide to put your money towards reloading equipment and components if you get serious about it. Or dump a bunch of money before even shooting it so that it looks really cool and you can post a picture in the build thread and feel good about spending a bunch of money. I wish this was future me talking to past me. I've been there and done that bro. ETA: I'll try and be helpful towards your list- I've had good experiences with the Burris XTR rings. They are a bit of overkill if you ask me but that's okay. Get the lows if you're going with a 30mm scope. You didn't list a scope base. The EGW bases are pretty much the go-to in my experience. I have one and I like it. Get a 20MOA base if you ever plan on shooting out to 1000yrds. There's nothing wrong with spending as much as you can afford on your rifle,glass,and gear, all it does is eliminates variables that could be wrong from buying cheap shit. if the rifle isn't shooting well chances are it's not the rifle it's you. LOL I've never heard of chinese XTR's being referred to as overkill |
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This is complete bullshit... If you properly execute your fundamentals then your barrel will be free floated... Always load your bipod. OP, you will be better off just picking up a rifle, scope, and lots of ammunition. Practice goes a long ways. Pickup whatever you feel is most needed after that. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then purchase whatever you desire. Quoted:
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I'd get the gun, a bipod, and forget all the rest. Spend your money on a better scope. All those tactical bells and whistles won't make it shoot any better. I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. This is complete bullshit... If you properly execute your fundamentals then your barrel will be free floated... Always load your bipod. OP, you will be better off just picking up a rifle, scope, and lots of ammunition. Practice goes a long ways. Pickup whatever you feel is most needed after that. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then purchase whatever you desire. Do you have any experience with that stock genius? It has the rigidity of a wet noodle. Eagerly awaiting your reasoning on why my opinion is "complete bullshit". |
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Do you have any experience with that stock genius? It has the rigidity of a wet noodle. Eagerly awaiting your reasoning on why my opinion is "complete bullshit". Quoted:
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I'd get the gun, a bipod, and forget all the rest. Spend your money on a better scope. All those tactical bells and whistles won't make it shoot any better. I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. This is complete bullshit... If you properly execute your fundamentals then your barrel will be free floated... Always load your bipod. OP, you will be better off just picking up a rifle, scope, and lots of ammunition. Practice goes a long ways. Pickup whatever you feel is most needed after that. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then purchase whatever you desire. Do you have any experience with that stock genius? It has the rigidity of a wet noodle. Eagerly awaiting your reasoning on why my opinion is "complete bullshit". Your opinion was not stated as an opinion and was pushed as if it were fact. I have experience with more parts / products than you would believe. Why don't you take a look at some of the 100y challenge threads over on snipershide? Several people have been able to preload their bipods correctly and produce MOA consistent accuracy or even better. Yes if you rest the gun on the bipod with the factory stock it most likely will touch, however, this is not proper technique and should not be passed as so. If you load your bipod then the barrel channel will pull away from the barrel creating a free floated barrel... The stock is not ideal, but it is adequate. In case you cannot find the few people who have done well with that stock search MOboost. If you follow proper technique then the factory hogue stock should suffice until you are ready to move on. |
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Your opinion was not stated as an opinion and was pushed as if it were fact. I have experience with more parts / products than you would believe. Why don't you take a look at some of the 100y challenge threads over on snipershide? Several people have been able to preload their bipods correctly and produce MOA consistent accuracy or even better. Yes if you rest the gun on the bipod with the factory stock it most likely will touch, however, this is not proper technique and should not be passed as so. If you load your bipod then the barrel channel will pull away from the barrel creating a free floated barrel... The stock is not ideal, but it is adequate. In case you cannot find the few people who have done well with that stock search MOboost. If you follow proper technique then the factory hogue stock should suffice until you are ready to move on. Quoted:
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I'd get the gun, a bipod, and forget all the rest. Spend your money on a better scope. All those tactical bells and whistles won't make it shoot any better. I wouldn't agree with that. The SPS Tactical needs at least a stock upgrade because the barrel isn't guaranteed to be free floated with the OEM stock, especially on a bipod. This is complete bullshit... If you properly execute your fundamentals then your barrel will be free floated... Always load your bipod. OP, you will be better off just picking up a rifle, scope, and lots of ammunition. Practice goes a long ways. Pickup whatever you feel is most needed after that. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket then purchase whatever you desire. Do you have any experience with that stock genius? It has the rigidity of a wet noodle. Eagerly awaiting your reasoning on why my opinion is "complete bullshit". Your opinion was not stated as an opinion and was pushed as if it were fact. I have experience with more parts / products than you would believe. Why don't you take a look at some of the 100y challenge threads over on snipershide? Several people have been able to preload their bipods correctly and produce MOA consistent accuracy or even better. Yes if you rest the gun on the bipod with the factory stock it most likely will touch, however, this is not proper technique and should not be passed as so. If you load your bipod then the barrel channel will pull away from the barrel creating a free floated barrel... The stock is not ideal, but it is adequate. In case you cannot find the few people who have done well with that stock search MOboost. If you follow proper technique then the factory hogue stock should suffice until you are ready to move on. I would agree that the gun can shoot well in the original stock. It's another variable that can be removed by changing out to a stock or chassis that will consistently keep the barrel free floated though. If you want to be the only guy to ever advise keeping that gun in its original stock, by all means, please proceed. |
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There's nothing wrong with spending as much as you can afford on your rifle,glass,and gear, all it does is eliminates variables that could be wrong from buying cheap shit. if the rifle isn't shooting well chances are it's not the rifle it's you. LOL I've never heard of chinese XTR's being referred to as overkill Quoted:
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How experienced are you at shooting long range? I would recommend starting with a reputable rifle, mount, scope, rings, and some sandbags. Learn your rifle. Learn how to shoot it, feed it, its likes and dislikes, and then when you have developed a relationship with her - start changing things as needed based on your EXPERIENCE with her. The precision rifle world is a whole different ballgame and you're talking about spending a lot of money before even trying her out. You're not buying a stripped AR lower receiver... the thing is going to be put together and ready to shoot the minute you pick it up from the store. Have you looked at the price of match grade ammo? Shit ain't cheap. You may even decide to put your money towards reloading equipment and components if you get serious about it. Or dump a bunch of money before even shooting it so that it looks really cool and you can post a picture in the build thread and feel good about spending a bunch of money. I wish this was future me talking to past me. I've been there and done that bro. ETA: I'll try and be helpful towards your list- I've had good experiences with the Burris XTR rings. They are a bit of overkill if you ask me but that's okay. Get the lows if you're going with a 30mm scope. You didn't list a scope base. The EGW bases are pretty much the go-to in my experience. I have one and I like it. Get a 20MOA base if you ever plan on shooting out to 1000yrds. There's nothing wrong with spending as much as you can afford on your rifle,glass,and gear, all it does is eliminates variables that could be wrong from buying cheap shit. if the rifle isn't shooting well chances are it's not the rifle it's you. LOL I've never heard of chinese XTR's being referred to as overkill The XTRs strike me as overkill because of the six screws vs. four and their overall size from front to back that touches the scope. Compare them in size to Leupold Mark 4s and you'll see what I'm talking about. All this extra material can get in the way if you need to mount your scope further forward/back. If using a picatinny base, this problem is negated. Why spend thousands of dollars to eliminate variables that "could be wrong" before even checking to see if they are wrong. Plus, if one of these variables were so wrong in a factory gun, a reputable manufacturer should correct it with the consumer. |
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The SPS 700 is a great platform.
Buy a good chasis stock. Buy the best glass you can afford. (I like Vortex, you will too if you try it)The're are many others out there depending on your wallet. bipod rear stock sock and work up some loads. If you don't like the stock SPS trigger get a Jewel or Timney. Have fun |
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Several people have been able to preload their bipods correctly and produce MOA consistent accuracy or even better. Yes if you rest the gun on the bipod with the factory stock it most likely will touch, however, this is not proper technique and should not be passed as so. Says who? Not everyone loads a bipod. It's A technique. Not THE only technique. And so you know we had a student with a 700 AAC-SD and his stock flexed and touched whether just behind the rifle or loading. Those stocks might work for some but they are the weak link in that rifle. |