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7/31/2011 5:50:09 PM EDT
Is it really 'random'?

So I'm getting the EMCOMM Box finished (finally) and powered up the HF unit tonight-it's been too hot to toss up my 500' loop (and is forecasted to stay hot till December).  So I was thinking, actually begging to getting on the air (HF) and the thought of a random wire came to mind.

I Found This Link and if I'm not crazy, it seems to me a 74' +/- wire would at the very least get me talking.

Feed it from my Tuner into the Bal-un I've got on hand.....and I can call CQ?

QRV

7/31/2011 6:30:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Looks like 74 ft will work according to that artical. I have used truly random lengths of wire before though. Makes sense now, after reading that, why some of my random wires didn't work well on some bands.
7/31/2011 6:53:44 PM EDT
[#2]
Now THAT is an article that makes sense!  And no, the wire length is NOT random at all, but very well chosen.

Give it a shot, it can't hurt!

7/31/2011 7:21:07 PM EDT
[#3]
My wire is random. Not a clue how long it is. I just used whatever was left on the spool and I've talked all over on it.
8/1/2011 3:26:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Is it really 'random'?

I remembered reading this similar article on Ham Universe, The "Best" Random Wire Antenna Lengths.
8/1/2011 5:01:35 AM EDT
[#5]
More from the OP Link
8/1/2011 6:13:49 AM EDT
[#6]
Don't forget that for your random wire you'll need a counterpoise running off in the opposite direction as much as possible. If the counterpoise is near the ground, more wire will be needed to overcome ground losses.
73,
Rob
8/1/2011 9:25:01 AM EDT
[#7]
The other side of my random wire is a 6' piece of 14# that goes to a copper rod buried in the ground.
8/5/2011 4:20:10 PM EDT
[#8]
339 416 623 Miles on 40 this evening to FL

earlier this week 225 miles to NC on 80

working pretty well for what I would consider NVIS.....?
8/5/2011 5:05:25 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
The other side of my random wire is a 6' piece of 14# that goes to a copper rod buried in the ground.


Please, this will not be a efficient 'other side of the antenna' . All antennas have two sides, with loops being the exception, as the electromagnetic and electrostatic fields flow between both poles e.g.(Dipole). If you have a random wire, it needs a counter poise or something more well defined as a radial system in order to be efficient. Even an end fed wire that is voltage fed at some thing near 1/2 wave in length needs some counterpoise. A 1/4 wavelength random wire needs much more of a counterpoise/ radial system because 1/2 of the antenna is missing with out it. HTH
73,
Rob
8/5/2011 5:19:30 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Please, this will not be a efficient 'other side of the antenna' . All antennas have two sides, with loops being the exception, as the electromagnetic and electrostatic fields flow between both poles e.g.(Dipole). If you have a random wire, it needs a counter poise or something more well defined as a radial system in order to be efficient. Even an end fed wire that is voltage fed at some thing near 1/2 wave in length needs some counterpoise. A 1/4 wavelength random wire needs much more of a counterpoise/ radial system because 1/2 of the antenna is missing with out it. HTH
73,
Rob


Oh, really? As an Extra class operator and instructor I'm aware of what the books say you need. However, I think I do just fine, thanks.

Azerbaijan
Azores
Fed. Rep. of Germany
Spain
Canary Is.
Ireland
Estonia
Belarus
France
Scotland
Hungary
Dominican Republic
Colombia
Italy
Svalbard
Puerto Rico
Norway
Martinique
Czech Republic
Slovak Republic
Belgium
Denmark
Netherlands
Bonaire, Curacao
Brazil
Slovenia
Poland
Guatemala
Costa Rica
European Russia
Kaliningrad
Ukraine
Canada
Mexico
Latvia
Romania
Venezuela

This list is just from last year. My point about posting in this thread to begin with was to demonstrate (from personal experience) that you don't have to break out the tape measure or go to extreme measures to create a simple wire antenna. Could I hit others with a measured counterpoise? Maybe. Maybe not. You don't have to invest a lot of time or energy to have fun on the air.
8/12/2011 12:36:56 PM EDT
[#11]
580 miles to NY this morning, in a thunderstorm on 20 meters - "beautiful signal"